Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

07-01-2021 02:26PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

No they didnt, that is a conspiracy theory that has been debunked.

Note the lack of citations and evidence.

Endintheclowns · 07-01-2021 02:27PM

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Nutjobs on both sides, but white supremacists lads yesterday (not all protestors) have no place in society, i dont agree with what went on with the blm protests but that doesn't excuse yesterdays **** show.

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

iebamm2580 · 07-01-2021 02:28PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

Im not saying they all are, im saying some were, im conservative but realistic about some peoples intentions.

feargale · 07-01-2021 02:29PM

OS_Head wrote: »

Well he did put America first. Here's a headline from CNN in September just gone, Wall street shunning Trump, Campaign donations 5 times larger to Biden. I don't know about you and you can say whatever you want but money talks and Wall Street talks to politicians with money donations.

Sweet Jesus! Are there still people here making apologies and excuses for Hitler's lovechild? I thought they had all taken to hibernation to hide their embarrassment,

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 02:31PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

On the left is *the* white supremacist flag. Next to it is the Ukrainian Neo Nazi party flag.

That's a white supremacist symbol on his chest.

jam_mac_jam · 07-01-2021 02:32PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

Of course not. They just like Confederate flags and neo nazi symbols. Loads of asians and black people in the crowd.

Absolutely.

namloc1980 · 07-01-2021 02:33PM

conorhal wrote: »

Only a clown thinks this.

You don't get to spend 4 years reeeeeee-ing 'muh Russia conspiracy' theories nightly on the news about how the Ruskies helped Trump to steal an election and blathering #notmypresident in an emotionally incontinent 4yr long toddler tantrum because your side lost an election as you ignore crowds of anarchists burning down cities...and then get SuprisedPikachuFace when the other side go and behave in exactly the same way that you legitimised .

Serious efforts by serious people need to be made to heal this rift, sadly there are no serious people in politics any more, just a collection of honking clowns ....on both sides...

I don't remember the "other side" storming the US Capitol and trying to overthrow the elected president. Also you might remember that Hilary Clinton conceded on election night in 2016 and the intelligence community confirmed there was Russian interference in the 2016 election.

I guess what I'm basically saying is you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

seamus · 07-01-2021 02:33PM

So there are violent protestors *inside* Capitol Hill, attempting to break down doors. A shot is fired, a woman goes down, four armed cops don't react with fear, instead they called for a medic. And in Thomas from New Jersey's words, "The riot police ushered us outside".

But when Trump wants the street cleared for a photo OP, the cops are using pepper spray and batons.

If an antifa demo had stormed that building yesterday, that one shot would have been accompanied by everyone immediately hitting the floor, riot police pointing their weapons at everyone, and all protestors being brought out in handcuffs.
These guys literally got shown the door, with a little head nod from the cop who was holding it open for them.

And still some people think there's a "both sides" to this.

breezy1985 · 07-01-2021 02:34PM

briany wrote: »

I saw that video. Right afterward, one of the Trumpists yells out, I think his exact words were, "We got an active shooter!". Yeah, no sh*t. You're storming the Capitol building and you get shot at. Shocking...

That active shooter bit annoyed me too. You storm a building full of snipers bit late to be warning people they are in danger of being shot

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 02:35PM

I will say this - the fact these white supremacists and neo nazis were THIS brazen will make these conversations far easier. There is no room for anyone to credibly pretend they're not what they are anymore.

hotmail.com · 07-01-2021 02:36PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

This is beyond plausible deniability or faux ignorance, a violent mob tried to subvert America's democratic Presidental process by force.

There is absolutely no way of both sidesing something on this scale, it looks pathetically weak and undignified to wheel out the same old dusty talking points when we're at this point. Nazi gunmen were in the chambers of Congress.

A lot of selfies taken by those Nazi gunmen.

gmisk · 07-01-2021 02:36PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

Some of them, how many do you think?

Just on the proud boys leader.
https://www.france24.com/en/americas/20210106-who-exactly-is-enrique-tarrio-leader-of-the-us-s-far-right-proud-boys-organisation
Sounds like a lovely chap.

Member of his own organisation have racially abused him and attempted to oust him.
https://www.insider.com/ousted-proud-boys-underling-attempts-white-supremacist-coup-2020-11

A bunch of utter scumbags.

ohnonotgmail · 07-01-2021 02:36PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

I will say this - the fact these white supremacists and neo nazis were THIS brazen will make these conversations far easier. There is no room for anyone to credibly pretend they're not what they are anymore.

unfortunately that doesn't seem to be stopping them from trying.

ohnonotgmail · 07-01-2021 02:38PM

embraer170 wrote: »

The unedited clip is here:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7yj0iq

Hope I am not breaking any rules by posting it.

really odd that there were police on the same side of the door as the woman that was shot and they did nothing to prevent her trying to enter.

nolivesmatter · 07-01-2021 02:38PM

seamus wrote: »

So there are violent protestors *inside* Capitol Hill, attempting to break down doors. A shot is fired, a woman goes down, four armed cops don't react with fear, instead they called for a medic. And in Thomas from New Jersey's words, "The riot police ushered us outside".

But when Trump wants the street cleared for a photo OP, the cops are using pepper spray and batons.

If an antifa demo had stormed that building yesterday, that one shot would have been accompanied by everyone immediately hitting the floor, riot police pointing their weapons at everyone, and all protestors being brought out in handcuffs.
These guys literally got shown the door, with a little head nod from the cop who was holding it open for them.

And still some people think there's a "both sides" to this.

Have antifa ever been dealt with in such a manner?

namloc1980 · 07-01-2021 02:39PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

I will say this - the fact these white supremacists and neo nazis were THIS brazen will make these conversations far easier. There is no room for anyone to credibly pretend they're not what they are anymore.

There's a poster on here trying to claim they aren't white supremacists at all. It's a sick cult.

gmisk · 07-01-2021 02:39PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of selfies taken by those Nazi gunmen.

So what's your point?
Proud nazi gunmen is that better?

hotmail.com · 07-01-2021 02:40PM

One of the protesters was shot dead, shot in the chest.

So the police did react.

VinLieger · 07-01-2021 02:41PM

Endintheclowns wrote: »

They weren't white supremacists. Some of them are actually black people, asian people etc.. The leader of that proud boys organisation is actually mixed race.

Saying they are white supremacist is just lazy rhetoric

Multiple state agencies consider them white supremacists, the dog whistling you probably eat up and think is really clever and funny isnt really that clever at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies

duploelabs · 07-01-2021 02:41PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

One of the protesters was shot dead, shot in the chest.

So the police did react.

Because she was illegally armed and failed to comply to the instructions given to her by a officer of the law

07-01-2021 02:41PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Does nobody else think that apart from the execution of the woman by government forces, this is a storm in a teacup.

Nothing happened. Politicians hid like the cowards they are. Both parties are responsible for destroying the us which for over 20 years has the highest incarceration rate per capita in the world.

If i was poor in the US, I think I'd be really pissed off with no good choice and a crazy electoral system that uses voting machines deemed unsuitable in 2019.

Some do, but they are unstable crackpots aswell.

gmisk · 07-01-2021 02:41PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

One of the protesters was shot dead, shot in the chest.

So the police did react.

Extremely slowly, there were insufficient numbers given the likelihood something like this would happen.

I am going to presume you have seen the video? Given what was going on was it justified in your opinion?

listermint · 07-01-2021 02:42PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of selfies taken by those Nazi gunmen.

Do Nazis not take selfies ?

You seem to think being a nazi agitator precludes you from being really really stupid .

ohnonotgmail · 07-01-2021 02:44PM

listermint wrote: »

Do Nazis not take selfies ?

You seem to think being a nazi agitator precludes you from being really really stupid .

i would have thought that was an essential component.

hotmail.com · 07-01-2021 02:46PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Because she was illegally armed and failed to comply to the instructions given to her by a officer of the law

Well you must have been there As you know what happened.

But anyway, my point is that people banging on about it would be different if it was a BLM protest.

One of the protesters got killed yesterday, so it wasn't as if the police didn't take action. 3 others died in medical emergencies, whatever that means.

joe40 · 07-01-2021 02:47PM

conorhal wrote: »

Only a clown thinks this.

You don't get to spend 4 years reeeeeee-ing 'muh Russia conspiracy' theories nightly on the news about how the Ruskies helped Trump to steal an election and blathering #notmypresident in an emotionally incontinent 4yr long toddler tantrum because your side lost an election as you ignore crowds of anarchists burning down cities...and then get SuprisedPikachuFace when the other side go and behave in exactly the same way that you legitimised .

Serious efforts by serious people need to be made to heal this rift, sadly there are no serious people in politics any more, just a collection of honking clowns ....on both sides...

I guess you are referring to the FBI investigation led by Mueller, which did not fully exonerate Trump. It left a lot of serious allegations unresolved.
It was not just baseless allegations that have been regularly thrown out of court which are what Trump's allegations amount to.
Only an idiot would think they are in any way comparable.

and even with that distinction nobody made any allegations of "voter fraud"

Hilary conceded defeat on the night, while Obama had a peaceful and dignified transition of power.

There is no comparison between 2016 election and the sh*tshow this election has turned out to be.

ohnonotgmail · 07-01-2021 02:47PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well you must have been there As you know what happened.

But anyway, my point is that people banging on about it would be different if it was a BLM protest.

One of the protesters got killed yesterday, so it wasn't as if the police didn't take action. 3 others died in medical emergencies, whatever that means.

the police opened the barriers and let the crowd in.

duploelabs · 07-01-2021 02:47PM

She was armed, but if she wasn't that would be like Breonna Taylor right?

Marcos · 07-01-2021 02:48PM

Billy Mays wrote: »

Good job Thomas from New Jersey.

Admitting on camera that you stormed the chambers of the Capitol to overturn the result of a democratic election

That's the thing that gets me, they just admit to major crimes live on tv. This isn't going away, it's going to come back and bite them. Like that other one who got maced and asked why she said, "We're storming the capital it's a revolution." :rolleyes:

duploelabs · 07-01-2021 02:48PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well you must have been there As you know what happened.

But anyway, my point is that people banging on about it would be different if it was a BLM protest.

One of the protesters got killed yesterday, so it wasn't as if the police didn't take action. 3 others died in medical emergencies, whatever that means.

There's a video posted earlier in this thread

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