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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1262
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Latest GP referral data here:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-07_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Looking like referral numbers are falling now, so good news, but a long long way to go



    Good news alright! Might it be extrapolated as fewer willing to get appointments & tested?


  • #1263
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    tom1ie wrote: »
    yeah, where do pharmacy's come into the equation with vaccine roll outs in Ireland?
    With the moderna vaccine (or any other vaccine) could a certain amount not be given to mcabes/boots etc to start vaccinating people? obviously this would be for certain higher risk members of society also but why cant the pharmacy's do this in parallel to the hse?

    Scale.

    When it's time to vaccinate outside hcw and nursing homes arrangements will be made with pharmacies to distribute

    Might follow the uk lead and only distribute vaccines that dont need freezing like the oxford one.


  • #1264
    bb1234567
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    https://twitter.com/mlchealth/status/1347146472370929666


  • #1265
    pc7
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    I really hope when Oxford one is approved and we have a good batch they start lashing them out, really just want this **** show over.


  • #1266
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Wibbs wrote: »
    When foot and mouth hit we were able to treat the country as an island, why we couldn't do the same with covid is beyond me.

    Foot and mouth restricted livestock crossing the border not people. There was already checks on livestock crossing between GB and Ireland, so from an agriculture point of view the island was treated as one. Movement of people is a completely different ballgame.


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  • #1267
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    pc7 wrote: »
    I really hope when Oxford one is approved and we have a good batch they start lashing them out, really just want this **** show over.

    considering the efficacy of the AZ vaccine when dosed as per trial was in the region of 60% and none of the vaccines has been trialed to demonstrate a decline in the spread of the virus - assuming that vaccines will stop the sh1t show is being very optimistic...


  • #1268
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    pc7 wrote: »
    I really hope when Oxford one is approved and we have a good batch they start lashing them out, really just want this **** show over.

    Absolutely, it's so draining at this stage, can't believe it's a year at the end of February since this whole thing kicked off in Ireland. :(


  • #1269
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Wibbs wrote: »
    When foot and mouth hit we were able to treat the country as an island, why we couldn't do the same with covid is beyond me.
    Because the movement of people wasn't affected in any major way. Aside from disinfectant mats and a questionnaire, nobody was being blocked or otherwise restricted after a flight from London to Belfast.

    It's an ideological blocker. To the DUP, the idea that someone wouldn't be permitted to go from London to Belfast without a PCR test is just one step away from a United Ireland.

    They have absolutely fvcked us all over some 400 year old sentimental bullsh1t and that should never be forgotten.


  • #1270
    Wolf359f
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Latest GP referral data here:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-07_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Looking like referral numbers are falling now, so good news, but a long long way to go

    Shame the covid app doesn't show a daily breakdown of newly confirmed positive cases uploading their ID, rather than just the total figure. It would also be a way to see a trend.


  • #1271
    Endintheclowns
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    When i see all these huge numbers coming out day after day besides the obvious immediate problems with regards deaths and hospital admissions i think of how many of these people are going to suffer terribly from the effects of long covid and the pressure that will put on our health services for many many years to come.

    It seems to always get lost among the daily headline figures.


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  • #1272
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Guardian podcast: How the Covid surge has left the NHS on the brink

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/audio/2021/jan/07/how-nhs-is-facing-biggest-ever-winter-crisis-coronavirus-podcast


  • #1273
    MerlinSouthDub
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    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Good news alright! Might it be extrapolated as fewer willing to get appointments & tested?

    I'm not sure there is any reason to think people would be reluctant to get tested right now? If anything, I would have thought that people are less busy with other things this week and more likely to contact their GP if they have any symptoms. Anyways, it's hopefully the start of a trend.


  • #1274
    pc7
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    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    considering the efficacy of the AZ vaccine when dosed as per trial was in the region of 60% and none of the vaccines has been trialed to demonstrate a decline in the spread of the virus - assuming that vaccines will stop the sh1t show is being very optimistic...


    Well it should at least improve things somewhat and help reduce numbers, I'm a glass half full type of person so I'll focus on that.


  • #1275
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    considering the efficacy of the AZ vaccine when dosed as per trial was in the region of 60% and none of the vaccines has been trialed to demonstrate a decline in the spread of the virus - assuming that vaccines will stop the sh1t show is being very optimistic...

    The efficiency of the influenza vaccine being used in 2019 was 40% to 60% (CDC) ( although different vacs each year depending on strain but efficiency is roughly the same and that was acceptable , you will still loose people to influenza as we will to Covid when the vaccination programme is fully rolled. The mortality rate will be acceptable. Vaccines are the only way out of this. The virus is here to stay, the present measures are not sustainable indefinitely either societally or economically.


  • #1276
    is_that_so
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    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/high-street-pharmacies-to-start-offering-oxford-covid-vaccine-next-week?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2RCM_IGZpdOvskQwN44soJ-40b9p4dQcXWUUlZaEDmV4FnJSeLIdVfMgo&__twitter_impression=true

    High street pharmacies to start offering Oxford Covid vaccine next week
    Move is part of UK government’s push to immunise 13 million vulnerable people by mid-February.


    Bo Jo doing a great job getting the vaccine out.
    Just about the only thing he has done well and that's just an aim. It could turn out to be a mess.


  • #1277
    Endintheclowns
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 138 ✭✭Endintheclowns


    seamus wrote: »
    Because the movement of people wasn't affected in any major way. Aside from disinfectant mats and a questionnaire, nobody was being blocked or otherwise restricted after a flight from London to Belfast.

    It's an ideological blocker. To the DUP, the idea that someone wouldn't be permitted to go from London to Belfast without a PCR test is just one step away from a United Ireland.

    They have absolutely fvcked us all over some 400 year old sentimental bullsh1t and that should never be forgotten.

    The DUP didn't force people to come home from London, Birmingham, NY etc...on direct flights before Xmas nor are they responsible for families cramming into houses over the holiday period here.

    Let's not pretend or spin it's the DUP's fault we are in this position. It seems Irish people want to blame everyone but themselves.


  • #1278
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,733 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    Wibbs wrote: »
    When foot and mouth hit we were able to treat the country as an island, why we couldn't do the same with covid is beyond me.

    ah the rev. ian was much more of a pragmatist though
    Our people may be British but our cows are Irish

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #1279
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    pc7 wrote: »
    I really hope when Oxford one is approved and we have a good batch they start lashing them out, really just want this **** show over.
    Once they satisfy the people who need to be satisfied it should be. That looks like February for the EU, based on this.

    https://www.pharmalive.com/astrazeneca-u-s-covid-19-vaccine-trial-results-likely-in-late-january-2021/


  • #1280
    Plumbthedepths
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    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    When i see all these huge numbers coming out day after day besides the obvious immediate problems with regards deaths and hospital admissions i think of how many of these people are going to suffer terribly from the effects of long covid and the pressure that will put on our health services for many many years to come.

    It seems to always get lost among the daily headline figures.

    Long Covid also known as immune response to a viral infection. Similar symptoms in people who had influenza for example.
    Although since the virus is with us circa a year perhaps it’s best to wait for a long term study to assess the impact of “long Covid”.


  • #1281
    PsychoPete
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    Was chatting to a friend earlier, he said he was a close contact a few weeks ago, he told his employer. His employers response was to come into work


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  • #1282
    ginoginelli
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Well it should at least improve things somewhat and help reduce numbers, I'm a glass half full type of person so I'll focus on that.

    Oxford importantly had no severe cases in the vaccinated group. No hospitalizations . That's the gamechanger.


  • #1283
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Yes you are telling me that the hospital are 10 times worse than they were last year. I provided data from the INMO on hospital overcrowding on 7-Jan-2020. I am waiting to see how you can state that they are now 10 times worse. We are talking about hospital capacity here.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115832814&postcount=1101

    And I have already said why similar " data" eg trolley watch does not apply in this context .
    Spookwoman publishes the trolley watch figures every evening if that is what you are looking for .
    While it shows pressure on beds in a general sense , it is not the same once general care is being curtailed to make space for Covid patients.
    These patients need isolation so cannot be allowed to just gather on trolleys or chairs in A&E.
    If you don't understand this principle , you are just calling for " data ", but it is a pointless excercise without being able to apply it .


  • #1284
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The efficiency of the influenza vaccine being used in 2019 was 40% to 60% (CDC) ( although different vacs each year depending on strain but efficiency is roughly the same and that was acceptable , you will still loose people to influenza as we will to Covid when the vaccination programme is fully rolled. The mortality rate will be acceptable. Vaccines are the only way out of this. The virus is here to stay, the present measures are not sustainable indefinitely either societally or economically.

    Vaccines are part of the solution but people need to level set on what it means... Vaccines don't make Covid disappear - the amount of wishful thinking and assuming Covid goes away with some vaccines that don't have great efficacy is unreal...


  • #1285
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    Was chatting to a friend earlier, he said he was a close contact a few weeks ago, he told his employer. His employers response was to come into work

    And your friends response was not to I hope?!


  • #1286
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    Was chatting to a friend earlier, he said he was a close contact a few weeks ago, he told his employer. His employers response was to come into work

    Few weeks ago, two weeks or more? Your friends employer was right. The guidelines mention two weeks is it that high for a close contact?


  • #1287
    Goldengirl
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    Probes wrote: »
    Regarding hospital capacity, I'm not sure if it's the same in Ireland but the NHS specifically discourage comparisons with previous years as hospitals have had to be rearranged for the pandemic response. The result is that the current numbers can mislead in terms of looking understressed when in reality they may be at the tipping point.

    This...


  • #1288
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    Let's not pretend or spin it's the DUP's fault we are in this position.
    No, but it's certainly a large contributor.

    One of the main reasons air traffic has been reasonably open the whole time is because the Belfast route exists. Better to be have people come directly into Dublin and be under a 14-day restriction rather than have them arrive into Belfast and slip across the border unknown.

    If we had an all-island approach to begin with, we'd have been in a much better state going into the Xmas season. The massive amount of cross-border infection that drove us to level 5 in October, wouldn't have been there.


  • #1289
    eigrod
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Latest GP referral data here:

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-07_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    Looking like referral numbers are falling now, so good news, but a long long way to go

    A tiny bit of further corroboration on this. Still way too early to think any sort of trend is developing though

    https://twitter.com/todowd/status/1347161869367324672?s=21


  • #1290
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Vaccines are part of the solution but people need to level set on what it means... Vaccines don't make Covid disappear - the amount of wishful thinking and assuming Covid goes away with some vaccines that don't have great efficacy is unreal...
    It will go away to the extent it will become just another flu'. The minimum vaccines need to do is to eliminate severe cases. They will or should return us to normal life.


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  • #1291
    Plumbthedepths
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    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Vaccines are part of the solution but people need to level set on what it means... Vaccines don't make Covid disappear - the amount of wishful thinking and assuming Covid goes away with some vaccines that don't have great efficacy is unreal...

    Vaccines don’t make influenza disappear either , we accept the mortality rate from influenza. The same will apply to Covid. I won’t labour the point further. If you believe restrictions are here to stay I won’t try and convince you otherwise.


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