Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

sydthebeat · 07-01-2021 12:15PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The Democrats and the mainstream media accused Trump being a Manchurian candidate controlled by Putin who worked hand and glove with the Russians to steal the election. That's simply a fact.

Mueller investigated it and found zero evidence of collusion. End of story.

Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

He certainly found collusion, however he wasn't able to find enough evidence to be provable in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt.

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:15PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Indeed, but why did he stop publishing stats on drone strikes?

That I can't answer.

gmisk · 07-01-2021 12:17PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The Democrats and the mainstream media accused Trump being a Manchurian candidate controlled by Putin who worked hand and glove with the Russians to steal the election. That's simply a fact.

Mueller investigated it and found zero evidence of collusion. End of story.

Zero evidence? End of story....lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/senate-intelligence-russian-interference-report.html

Mueller Report Shows Depth of Connections Between Trump Campaign and Russians Donald J. Trump and 18 of his associates had at least 140 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks, or their intermediaries, during the 2016 campaign and presidential transition.

Leroy42 · 07-01-2021 12:18PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

That I can't answer.

You really can. You know why. You seem more than happy to espose theories about Biden, Harris and Antifa infiltrating right wing groups, but you are stuck on why a POTUS would opt to make facts about drone strikes killing civilians a secret?

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:18PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

The ones where boogaloo boys have actually literally been convicted for firing on police and burning down a police station to blame on the left? Those ones?

It's time to suck it up and face reality. There is a difference between these sides. One tried to stage a coup yesterday.

We don't know for definite but I know this much there are seriously delusional on both sides and America is an extremely dangerous place with their love of high powered weapons and serious mental health issues.

It's one place I will be happy to never ever have to go to again.

iebamm2580 · 07-01-2021 12:18PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

There has not been a single BLM or "antifa" member id'ed in the photos. There have been at least 15 well known far right or white supremacist public figures id'ed by name so far, including at least one who has been interviewed in media about his Trump support in the past and was strolling around with visible white supremacist tattoos.

I believe the woman shot trying to breach the chamber was carrying a likely illegal weapon btw, in addition to committing a federal crime by being there at all.

John Sullivan, left wing leader of insurgence and involved in other Marxists groups was in the capitol when the woman was shot, he was on cnn but was not questioned as to why he was there.

rossie1977 · 07-01-2021 12:18PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I honestly think they're all mad.

O wouldn't like either running a country but one thing I think was good is that trump didn't go to war.

Didn't go to war...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:20PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

You really can. You know why. You seem more than happy to espose theories about Biden, Harris and Antifa infiltrating right wing groups, but you are stuck on why a POTUS would opt to make facts about drone strikes killing civilians a secret?

If that's done I in no way condone that, I'm not stating any facts by the way, fully untitled to my opinion and I've followed a lot of the issues online and like to have the facts.

There were most likely people on both sides pretending to be others.

I honestly think they're nuts over there.

yagan · 07-01-2021 12:20PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I honestly think they're all mad.

O wouldn't like either running a country but one thing I think was good is that trump didn't go to war.

Too busy inciting a coup.

I bet Latin America and the middle east are helping themselves to barrels of schendefreude this morning to see the the USA experience a White House backed coup attempt

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:23PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Didn't go to war...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12

I'm still correct in what I said, he didn't start the war.

Of course it's wrong civilian died but the way they look at it it's collateral damage and a lot are used as to hide behind by the enemies.

It's absolutely disgusting what has and is happening in them countries and I'm glad we have no hand in it....

Oh and I know they use Shannon by the way.

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:24PM

yagan wrote: »

Too busy inciting a coup.

I bet Latin America and the middle east are helping themselves to barrels of schendefreude this morning to see the the USA experience a White House backed coup attempt

I've a feeling it's too many movies and mental issues to be honest.

What normal person goes out attacks others, the police or their own community.
It's not normal

07-01-2021 12:26PM

OS_Head wrote: »

At last, now that Trump is gone. The Deep state and army of Multi national lobbyists can get back to fleecing the American people good and proper.

Another gullible one that the con man in chief has convinced he is working against rather than for the vested interests, which benefited hugely during his presidency

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 12:28PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

We don't know for definite

We do. It is right in front of your eyes. Be a big man and face it instead of telling yourself fairytales otherwise.

Leroy42 · 07-01-2021 12:29PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've a feeling it's too many movies and mental issues to be honest.

What normal person goes out attacks others, the police or their own community.
It's not normal

It is not normal, but understandable when one considers that these people have been tricked into believing that the very core of their country, democracy, has been stolen from them.

THat everyone around them, except their group and Trump, is in on a big steal, turning the country they love into a socialist wasteland.

That the freedoms that they grandfathers/fathers etc fought and died for are being stolen from them.

When one drives enough people into thinking like that, there is little surprise to what comes next. We have seen it repeated across history.

PropJoe10 · 07-01-2021 12:29PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Here's a thought experiment.

What do you think would have happened if these gunsucking zip tie carrying freaks had gotten just that little bit closer to Ilhan Omar?

I'm sure they would've gone to her, shook her hand and politely requested that she "go back to her own country".

Actually, maybe not.

punisher5112 · 07-01-2021 12:31PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

We do. It is right in front of your eyes. Be a big man and face it instead of telling yourself fairytales otherwise.

Prove it

Baggly · 07-01-2021 12:32PM

paw patrol wrote: »

verified:rolleyes: what are you?

the king of the blue tick ****?:pac:

your labels are meaningless and I don't think you know what you are waffling about tbh. Seems a moronic accusation.

But fascism involves a devotion and obedience to the state machine which couldn't be further from my beliefs.

But what would I know when the man on boards tells me I'm the resurrection of some dude from the 1930s in Hugo Boss attire ?:rolleyes:

I should post here more :pac:

Mod

Dont post here again.

Panrich · 07-01-2021 12:34PM

It's hard to envisage how deluded these people are and why they are so gullible. Watching them chanting 'Stop the steal' in support of a narcissistic despot whilst invading the capitol buildings was both fascinating and horrifying to watch. I don't think there can be any way these poor deluded fools will see the error of their ways.

The fact that thousands were prepared to descend on Washington to 'voice' their concerns (or more precisely Trumps concerns) can be manipulated by dark forces in future. There is a large cohort of people now divorced from reality and common sense who are willing to follow a new path and that represents a readymade army willing to mobilise for the next Trump to come along.

I don't think that this genie can be put back in the bottle.

yagan · 07-01-2021 12:34PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've a feeling it's too many movies and mental issues to be honest.

What normal person goes out attacks others, the police or their own community.
It's not normal

I agree, but if they had managed to storm the chamber before it was evacuated we'd be probably at the start of a long tense standoff which could have ended very badly.

In more gun friendly states there's the risk of an armed occupation of a state capital building, taking back murica one state at a time. The pictures of the highly armed anti lockdown protesters in Michigan earlier this year was a postcard from the future.

HBC08 · 07-01-2021 12:35PM

Strumms wrote: »

I’d say anyone with the name Trump will do well to get into Walmart, forget the Whitehouse. This will resonate for decades.

You are seriously underestimating the wilful stupidity of Trump supporters and a large majority of modern day Republicans.
This will be spun and broken down into the familiar us and them narrative and on we go.
It actually doesn't matter how far Trump drags the whole thing down.
I have American friends who are Trump supporters,after every new low for the last 4 years I've had a look on their fb and tried to understand and interact with all the comments,it's another planet.Its a state of mind where reason ,reality and facts dont matter.
Sure enough I was having a look today,most of them sticking to their guns.Biased MSM reporting,sensationalist reporting,infiltrated by ANTIFA etc.
Proof of these things include the guy in the racoon outfit (or whatever he was meant to be) was also seen at a BLM protest.
Leave them to it and learn from it,hopefully we never let things decend into that level of lunacy over here.

07-01-2021 12:37PM

Panrich wrote: »

It's hard to envisage how deluded these people are and why they are so gullible. Watching them chanting 'Stop the steal' in support of a narcissistic despot whilst invading the capitol buildings was both fascinating and horrifying to watch. I don't think there can be any way these poor deluded fools will see the error of their ways.

The fact that thousands were prepared to descend on Washington to 'voice' their concerns (or more precisely Trumps concerns) can be manipulated by dark forces in future. There is a large cohort of people now divorced from reality and common sense who are willing to follow a new path and that represents a readymade army willing to mobilise for the next Trump to come along.

I don't think that this genie can be put back in the bottle.

I hope you're right. Maybe their next figurehead won't be such a con man.

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 12:37PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Prove it

Prove that what happened on camera in live real time before our eyes yesterday happened? Do you need me to help you come to terms with the sky being blue and water being wet too?

A crisis of reality is not my duty to resolve for you, so I will leave you to it.

valoren · 07-01-2021 12:38PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The Democrats and the mainstream media accused Trump being a Manchurian candidate controlled by Putin who worked hand and glove with the Russians to steal the election. That's simply a fact.

Mueller investigated it and found zero evidence of collusion. End of story.

Yeah because Trump was completely open and transparent with the special counsel investigating Russian electoral interference. So much so that he blocked multiple people from providing testimony to the point that he should have been charged with multiple counts of obstruction of justice but Mueller's hands were tied because the DOJ has the policy, in the interest of national security, to not charge a sitting president with a crime (which Trump did commit).

gmisk · 07-01-2021 12:39PM

HBC08 wrote: »

You are seriously underestimating the wilful stupidity of Trump supporters and a large majority of modern day Republicans.
This will be spun and broken down into the familiar us and them narrative and on we go.
It actually doesn't matter how far Trump drags the whole thing down.
I have American friends who are Trump supporters,after every new low for the last 4 years I've had a look on their fb and tried to understand and interact with all the comments,it's another planet.Its a state of mind where reason ,reality and facts dont matter.
Sure enough I was having a look today,most of them sticking to their guns.Biased MSM reporting,sensationalist reporting,infiltrated by ANTIFA etc.
Proof of these things include the guy in the racoon outfit (or whatever he was meant to be) was also seen at a BLM protest.
Leave them to it and learn from it,hopefully we never let things decend into that level of lunacy over here.

The guy dressed as the racoon as you put it was indeed seen at a BLM protest....handily Trump supporters are cutting off the pic which shows him with a massive q anon sign as he was counter protesting against the BLM...

jill_valentine · 07-01-2021 12:43PM

HBC08 wrote: »

.
Proof of these things include the guy in the racoon outfit (or whatever he was meant to be) was also seen at a BLM protest.

The guy in the raccoon outfit has a big ol' white supremacist valknut tattoo on his chest, plain to see in literally every photo. He's a Q nutjob who shows up to BLM protests to yell abuse at them, carrying Q placards in almost every photo bar the one the crackpot network have been circulating.

The Raging Bile Duct · 07-01-2021 12:49PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

That I can't answer.

I can. He was using drone indiscriminately and didn't want to publish the amount of civilians killed as a result of the strikes on targeted individuals.

CtevenSrowder · 07-01-2021 12:54PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

And you had POTUS, and most politicians calling those that carried out such acts for what they were doing. You had police forces armed and ready to go, National Guard brought in. Undercover snatch squads in Portland.

people are not calling for the same to be undertaken in the capital yesterday, they are asking the legitimate question as to why the police reaction was so widely different. They are not asking that the people yesterday were shot, they are asking that normal people on protests are shot.

But none of this is about Biden or, bizarrely your attempt to shirt to Harris. This is about Trump and those that enabled him. And enabled him even by doing what you are doing. Trying to divert to something else.

This is cut and dried. Trump incited these people, roused them into believing their very democracy was being stolen from them, then walking out to the crowd and throwing a match on the gasoline he had created.

Nothing else is linked. BLM, Anitfa, LGBT, Yeti, The Grinch, Ghost of Christmas Past. None of them have anything to do with yesterday.

Trump lost an election he should have won. He can not accept that he lost. So he creates a narrative that not only was it stolen, that everyone is in on it and that not only is Biden terrible for Harris is even worse. But you know what? He had the chance to make that case and he failed. More people believed Biden was the better option.

But of course, people like Trump only believe in votes when they get what they want. Otherwise, it must be fake.

But this is all on Trump. The last 4 + years he has revelled in driving division, so much so that he ended up hating his own VP and having his own party turn their backs on him. He lost the House, the Senate, the WH, was impeached, lost the popular vote twice, and now has lost Fox News and Twitter!!

Losing Twitter will probably hit him hardest.

Real Life · 07-01-2021 12:56PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

What do they make of the guy wearing aushwitz hoodie posted earlier i wonder then?

I saw pictures earlier where that guy had been identified too and pictured with prominent leaders of Neo nazi groups. Still though he must be antifa :rolleyes:

briany · 07-01-2021 12:57PM

Brilliant rant last night about the whole situation from Des Bishop last night on his podcast. Whatever ye may think of comedy, he was hitting the nail on the head for half an hour straight.

runawaybishop · 07-01-2021 12:59PM

LOl, Iraq have a warrant out for Trump, for premeditated murder.

Trump v Biden 2020,The insurrection (pt 6) Read OP

Comments