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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1142
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Chesty08 wrote: »
    Great post! Spot on.

    I don’t like people dismissing those who compare Covid to the Flu as simple daft idiots. After all it is a form of flu.

    What we do know is that it is stronger than the standard flu we see every winter. The reason the winter flu is low(ish) if because we have a vaccine, have built up our immunes etc... However last year we did have 2,000 hospitalisations & 100 deaths with the winter flu.

    We are all probably at the stage now where we know people who have had Covid, and luckily majority survive and say it’s like a flu.

    While the deaths are beginning to rise , the last set of data of deaths (December) show that 2/3 deaths are related to nursing homes & hospitals! The vulnerable.

    Similarly, like the winter flu it’s the same people who will die.

    Crux of it all is that we have a **** show of a health service, absolutely diabolical!
    Where are you getting your 2k and 100 deaths from?


  • #1143
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I think many people just believe they are an exception.

    Bullseye!!
    Across the land during December...
    "It's OK for me to break restrictions,everyone else will abide by them so I won't be doing any harm.....anyway....IT'S CHRISTMAS!!!!"


  • #1144
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Why get personal? Is there anything I have said which suggest I dont think Covid is more sever then the flu. All I an saying is there are people on there almost waiting to see people dying outside hospitals to prove that this is a terrible disease . My point is that we have had on days 500 paintents waiting on trolleys in hospitals around the countries. I.e. all our beds are taken plus there are 500 more waiting to get a bed. That is an awful situation. From a hospital stand point the next few weeks will be hard. But the government have ensured that all the resources are directed to COVID. The hospitals are pretty much clear to deal with this and this only. So where normally there will be flu paintents plus people recovering from surgeries this time there will be mainly just Covid.

    It’s common enough that personal attacks are used for posters that don’t fit in

    Sad though


  • #1145
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Can you imagine what kind of hole we'd be if the vaccine wasn't due for another year or more, as some predicted?:eek:

    Well within this thread, the glass is still half empty, even with a Vaccine. In normal everyday life we’d of rolled up our sleeves and done the best we could without a Vaccine. Focusing on the positives in the worst of situations, that’s what real communities do. Not ideal I know but better than the mindset of the communal toilet that is Covid on Boards.


  • #1146
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Chesty08 wrote: »
    Great post! Spot on.


    Crux of it all is that we have a **** show of a health service, absolutely diabolical!

    It's not the crux of it all with this pandemic. North Italy has one of the most advanced hospital systems in the world but could not cope with what covid threw at it in April/May last year. Even if we had an absolute gold standard of a health service, it could still be overwhelmed by what is coming over the next few weeks.


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  • #1147
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Never thought we'd see Japan lose the run of COVID, but looks like it has finally slipped. Almost 800 people in ICU in Japan,not massive for the size of the country but cases are climbing quickly, seems hard to believe given how seemingly completely unaffected the country has been for such an impressive period during the pandemic.


  • #1148
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Chesty08 wrote: »
    Great post! Spot on.

    I don’t like people dismissing those who compare Covid to the Flu as simple daft idiots. After all it is a form of flu.

    What we do know is that it is stronger than the standard flu we see every winter. The reason the winter flu is low(ish) if because we have a vaccine, have built up our immunes etc... However last year we did have 2,000 hospitalisations & 100 deaths with the winter flu.

    We are all probably at the stage now where we know people who have had Covid, and luckily majority survive and say it’s like a flu.

    While the deaths are beginning to rise , the last set of data of deaths (December) show that 2/3 deaths are related to nursing homes & hospitals! The vulnerable.

    Similarly, like the winter flu it’s the same people who will die.

    Crux of it all is that we have a **** show of a health service, absolutely diabolical!
    Influenza
    For a full year there was 11,142 cases notified, 4,332 hospitalisations and 154 icu and 110 deaths https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week_39.pdf

    Covid-19
    We are not even 1 year in and we have 6,451 hospitalised, 703 icu as of the 04/01/2020. 121,154 cases and 2,299 deaths as of 6/01/2020


  • #1149
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Chesty08 wrote: »
    Great post! Spot on.

    I don’t like people dismissing those who compare Covid to the Flu as simple daft idiots. After all it is a form of flu.

    What we do know is that it is stronger than the standard flu we see every winter. The reason the winter flu is low(ish) if because we have a vaccine, have built up our immunes etc... However last year we did have 2,000 hospitalisations & 100 deaths with the winter flu.

    We are all probably at the stage now where we know people who have had Covid, and luckily majority survive and say it’s like a flu.

    While the deaths are beginning to rise , the last set of data of deaths (December) show that 2/3 deaths are related to nursing homes & hospitals! The vulnerable.

    Similarly, like the winter flu it’s the same people who will die.

    Crux of it all is that we have a **** show of a health service, absolutely diabolical!
    spookwoman wrote: »
    Where are you getting your 2k and 100 deaths from?
    In 2019/2020 influenza season 4332 confirmed hospitalized influenza cases with 154 of those admitted to ICU. 110 deaths.

    (Influenza year reporting goes from October to October. Data from HPSC.)


  • #1150
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    12 days average hospital stay was put up here lately, I didn't question it so no link, you have a very exact number, does that average include the icu cases, if so maybe the 12 days number is for people not requiring icu?

    12 days? That sounds more like the length of typical ICU stay iirc. 12 days sounds very long for non-ICU treatment.


  • #1151
    spookwoman
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    majcos wrote: »
    In 2019/2020 influenza season 4332 confirmed hospitalized influenza cases with 154 of those admitted to ICU. 100 deaths.

    (Influenza year reporting goes from October to October. Data from HPSC.)

    I posted the numbers above with a link to the hse doc.


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  • #1152
    growleaves
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    nocoverart wrote: »
    Well within this thread, the glass is still half empty, even with a Vaccine. In normal everyday life we’d of rolled up our sleeves and done the best we could without a Vaccine. Focusing on the positives in the worst of situations, that’s what real communities do. Not ideal I know but better than the mindset of the communal toilet that is Covid on Boards.

    If people valued the human, compassionate, personal aspects of life they would have given them up with extreme reluctance and been continually pushing for the removal of the vast mass of restrictions on meeting, touching, and having facial contact with other people and so forth. And been alert to the gross mismatch between official predictions and projections in March and the much less serious covid pandemic, which is nothing like a New Black Death.

    Instead they've been continually pushing (on this thread, and Facebook) for militarised fascism, inescapable solitary confinement, micro-enforcement of every rule (some people expect there to be a policeman waiting for every person who is not social distancing or wearing a mask properly), preventing movement outdoors, and to sacrifice every-thing that life consists of.

    We've seen with polio how a saner society responds. Children were not barred from going outside, they were just told not to swim.


  • #1153
    Beasty
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    Arghus wrote: »
    I've seen posters say the flu is worse!

    Mainly in the "other" thread - which is like an alien world that should be nuked from orbit - but, yeah, you spend enough time here you'll read an awful lot of stupid shyte.
    Arghus wrote: »
    It's a car crash.

    An absolute disgrace that post after post of misinformation is allowed to be dumped there in the middle of a genuine public health crisis.

    Stop the discussion of other threads. Either discuss them within the thread or report problem posts/posters


  • #1154
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Influenza
    For a full year there was 11,142 cases notified, 4,332 hospitalisations and 154 icu and 110 deaths https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week_39.pdf

    Covid-19
    We are not even 1 year in and we have 6,451 hospitalised, 703 icu as of the 04/01/2020. 121,154 cases and 2,299 deaths as of 6/01/2020

    It's hard to compare them neck and neck (1) because COVID is notified in all cases even if the person is not necessarily hospitalised or killed primarily because of COVID, idk how much it skews it but it does skew it (not downplaying but it does have to be taken into consideration in such comparisons) (2) clearly we've been holding back a massive wave of infections and sheer scale and speed of transmission clearly shows the population is extremely susceptible with rates of infection from COVID artificially kept much lower than the number that would usually freely get infected by flu annually. (3) And yes it's only been 9 months since COVID has begun to be counted.
    So for different reasons they can't be compared, in Irish context. Numerous examples abroad in more affected countries clearly show hospital resource usage far higher than anything like flu.

    USA has seen 1.07 million hospital admissions for COVID(as of 26th December) over the 9 months from March.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html#:~:text=The%20overall%20cumulative%20COVID%2D19,Week%2049)%20and%20remain%20elevated.

    2018 was the highest estimated flu hospitalisations in US history with 810,000 hospitalisations.
    A normal flu season is 475k hospitalisations.

    UK is a more stark picture, mean of 28,000 flu hospitalisations per year.
    https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12889-016-3128-4.pdf
    UK has seen 281,000 COVID hospitalisations.
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

    I don't quite understand why the disceprancy between the USA and UK is so large. Perhaps the British study is based only on confirmed flu hospitalisations, while the CDC is an estimate of prior flu seasons. Either way just 28k flu hospitalisations in UK sounds implausibly low if the American flu hospitalisations esitmates are accurate.


  • #1155
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    12 days average hospital stay was put up here lately, I didn't question it so no link, you have a very exact number, does that average include the icu cases, if so maybe the 12 days number is for people not requiring icu?
    17.7 day started is overall average length of stay for all hospitalised Covid cases as far as I remember. The 34.7 days for patients requiring ICU refers to total time in hospital. Average would be about half of that 34.7 days within ICU itself and other half is care at general ward level after ICU and perhaps a few days in general ward before transfer to ICU. Some cases are admitted directly from ED to ICU.

    Figures are from Paul Reid around mid November.


  • #1156
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    growleaves wrote: »
    If people valued the human, compassionate, personal aspects of life they would have given them up with extreme reluctance and been continually pushing for the removal of the vast mass of restrictions on meeting, touching, and having facial contact with other people and so forth. And been alert to the gross mismatch between official predictions and projections in March and the much less serious covid pandemic, which is nothing like a New Black Death.

    Instead they've been continually pushing (on this thread, and Facebook) for militarised fascism, inescapable solitary confinement, micro-enforcement of every rule (some people expect there to be a policeman waiting for every person who is not social distancing or wearing a mask properly), preventing movement outdoors, and to sacrifice every-thing that life consists of.

    We've seen with polio how a saner society responds. Children were not barred from going outside, they were just told not to swim.

    Internet + Black Death = mass suicide by Optic Fiber.


  • #1157
    Chesty08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Influenza
    For a full year there was 11,142 cases notified, 4,332 hospitalisations and 154 icu and 110 deaths https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/previousinfluenzaseasonssurveillancereports/20192020season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week_39.pdf

    Covid-19
    We are not even 1 year in and we have 6,451 hospitalised, 703 icu as of the 04/01/2020. 121,154 cases and 2,299 deaths as of 6/01/2020

    I did say 100 deaths for the flu.

    Interesting hospitalisations figures there where the Covid is only a 50% increase up on the flu.

    Once we have a vaccine and immune systems build up we will start to see a drop off in the number of deaths and it will be similar to the flu.

    In the meantime the most important thing is to protect the nursing homes, hospitals & the most vulnerable as they are the ones who will die


  • #1158
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    12 days? That sounds more like the length of typical ICU stay iirc. 12 days sounds very long for non-ICU treatment.
    Average length of ICU stay for Covid from briefing in October 2020 was 17.8 days in ICU itself. Total length of hospitalisation is obviously longer than length of ICU stay as don’t walk out of ICU and go home but need further treatment and recovery from there before able to be discharged.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-holohan-praises-dramatic-reduction-in-cases-among-the-young-1.4401344


  • #1159
    bb1234567
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    growleaves wrote: »
    If people valued the human, compassionate, personal aspects of life they would have given them up with extreme reluctance and been continually pushing for the removal of the vast mass of restrictions on meeting, touching, and having facial contact with other people and so forth. And been alert to the gross mismatch between official predictions and projections in March and the much less serious covid pandemic, which is nothing like a New Black Death.

    Instead they've been continually pushing (on this thread, and Facebook) for militarised fascism, inescapable solitary confinement, micro-enforcement of every rule (some people expect there to be a policeman waiting for every person who is not social distancing or wearing a mask properly), preventing movement outdoors, and to sacrifice every-thing that life consists of.

    We've seen with polio how a saner society responds. Children were not barred from going outside, they were just told not to swim.

    Well most people don't consider it to be 'given up' , as it is temporary, I would say. A lot longer than the length of time we would imagined at the beginning and maybe if we had known it would drag so long the world would have reacted less receptively, but still that's what most are hanging to and why it's not considered in that way by most people.


  • #1160
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    growleaves wrote: »
    If people valued the human, compassionate, personal aspects of life they would have given them up with extreme reluctance and been continually pushing for the removal of the vast mass of restrictions on meeting, touching, and having facial contact with other people and so forth. And been alert to the gross mismatch between official predictions and projections in March and the much less serious covid pandemic, which is nothing like a New Black Death.

    Instead they've been continually pushing (on this thread, and Facebook) for militarised fascism, inescapable solitary confinement, micro-enforcement of every rule (some people expect there to be a policeman waiting for every person who is not social distancing or wearing a mask properly), preventing movement outdoors, and to sacrifice every-thing that life consists of.

    We've seen with polio how a saner society responds. Children were not barred from going outside, they were just told not to swim.

    I agree with you that there is a large element of desiring micro enforcement. People are 'gobshìtes' for meeting to have a chat and families in playgrounds are deserving of condemnation. It is I think just fear talking. People are scared.

    In fact I've just completed my first online order for click and collect food shop. My work requires me to be in the office two day a week and I love my walks to the local coffee shop. So I've given up my stroll around Supervalue.

    It will return. Our lives will return to how they were. There's a lot of talk about hoping we get through this but we have no choice. Forget about 'hope' and instead focus on 'will'. The country has to battle on. There will be more deaths, hospital numbers will continue to rise and ICU might reach capacity.
    Its fire fighting mode now but come March we will emerge.


  • #1161
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,627 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    bb1234567 wrote: »

    I don't quite understand why the disceprancy between the USA and UK is so large. Perhaps the British study is based only on confirmed flu hospitalisations, while the CDC is an estimate of prior flu seasons. Either way just 28k flu hospitalisations in UK sounds implausibly low if the American flu hospitalisations esitmates are accurate.

    Does data exist for testing rate for influenza in the UK?

    Or positivity rate of influenza tests carried out?


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  • #1162
    growleaves
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Well most people don't consider it to be 'given up' , as it is temporary, I would say.

    We've seen how reactive national governments are to sudden scares. Within 24 or 48 hours of some new fear we have new restrictions. In that atmosphere it will be harder to disentangle ourselves than we think since some new fear that the vaccine isn't safe, or some other danger, can drag us backwards.

    Especially since many people are not in the habit of backtalking 'official' media, institutions and national governments. Its seen as an affront. Meanwhile these entities are simultaneously trying to appease the public while also leading them.

    If the mass people are afraid and demoralised they will be incapable of acting morally, that's why I say we shouldn't cultivate fear. At least we should all try to be brave, which costs nothing.

    That's enough for one night. Goodnight.


  • #1163
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's hard to compare them neck and neck (1) because COVID is notified in all cases even if the person is not necessarily hospitalised or killed primarily because of COVID, idk how much it skews it but it does skew it (not downplaying but it does have to be taken into consideration in such comparisons) (2) clearly we've been holding back a massive wave of infections and sheer scale and speed of transmission clearly shows the population is extremely susceptible with rates of infection from COVID artificially kept much lower than the number that would usually freely get infected by flu annually. (3) And yes it's only been 9 months since COVID has begun to be counted.
    So for different reasons they can't be compared, in Irish context.
    .............

    Cannot compare community figures for Covid and influenza as limited testing for influenza in community even in symptomatic versus asymptomatic testing at stages for Covid.

    However, all suspected cases of influenza that are admitted to hospital in Ireland are tested as are all suspected cases of Covid. Unlike Covid, not all people admitted are tested for influenza but all with influenza symptoms are.

    If compare percentages of admitted cases of influenza versus admitted patients with Covid who end up in ICU and/or die, Covid outcomes look far worse.

    154/4332 influenza admitted to ICU with 110 deaths in 2019/2020 influenza season.

    681/6230 Covid cases up to 2nd Jan admitted to ICU with 1041 of those admitted to hospital dying.

    So 3.6% of hospitalised influenza cases ended up in ICU last year versus 10.9% of Covid cases. Mortality among hospitalised influenza cases 2.5% versus 16.7% for hospitalised Covid cases.


  • #1164
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    growleaves wrote: »
    We've seen how reactive national governments are to sudden scares. Within 24 or 48 hours of some new fear we have new restrictions. In that atmosphere it will be harder to disentangle ourselves than we think since some new fear that the vaccine isn't safe, or some other danger, can drag us backwards.

    Especially since many people are not in the habit of backtalking 'official' media, institutions and national governments. Its seen as an affront. Meanwhile these entities are simultaneously trying to appease the public while also leading them.

    If the mass people are afraid and demoralised they will be incapable of acting morally, that's why I say we shouldn't cultivate fear. At least we should all try to be brave, which costs nothing.

    That's enough for one night. Goodnight.

    I would love to hear a book of your thoughts on everything that has gone on worldwide in the last 9 months, I feel like you've just been calmly watching with horror and dismay from the sidelines :pac:


  • #1165
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I agree with you that there is a large element of desiring micro enforcement. People are 'gobshìtes' for meeting to have a chat and families in playgrounds are deserving of condemnation. It is I think just fear talking. People are scared.

    In fact I've just completed my first online order for click and collect food shop. My work requires me to be in the office two day a week and I love my walks to the local coffee shop. So I've given up my stroll around Supervalue.

    It will return. Our lives will return to how they were. There's a lot of talk about hoping we get through this but we have no choice. Forget about 'hope' and instead focus on 'will'. The country has to battle on. There will be more deaths, hospital numbers will continue to rise and ICU might reach capacity.
    Its fire fighting mode now but come March we will emerge.

    Jaysus, think I’ll give Braveheart a tenth watch after reading this.

    Covid can take our lives, but it will never take our freedom... oh wait!


  • #1166
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Why get personal? Is there anything I have said which suggest I dont think Covid is more sever then the flu. All I an saying is there are people on there almost waiting to see people dying outside hospitals to prove that this is a terrible disease . My point is that we have had on days 500 paintents waiting on trolleys in hospitals around the countries. I.e. all our beds are taken plus there are 500 more waiting to get a bed. That is an awful situation. From a hospital stand point the next few weeks will be hard. But the government have ensured that all the resources are directed to COVID. The hospitals are pretty much clear to deal with this and this only. So where normally there will be flu patients plus people recovering from surgeries this time there will be mainly just Covid.

    Every year surgeries are cancelled due to flu and hospitals still struggle every year despite these cancellations. Cancelling surgery this year won’t stop hospitals from being overwhelmed due to Covid. It will mitigate it but no more than it does so for influenza which isn’t terribly reassuring considering how many times we hear about trolley crisis especially every other January.


  • #1167
    JJandthebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 ✭JJandthebear


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It's hard to compare them neck and neck (1) because COVID is notified in all cases even if the person is not necessarily hospitalised or killed primarily because of COVID, idk how much it skews it but it does skew it (not downplaying but it does have to be taken into consideration in such comparisons) (2) clearly we've been holding back a massive wave of infections and sheer scale and speed of transmission clearly shows the population is extremely susceptible with rates of infection from COVID artificially kept much lower than the number that would usually freely get infected by flu annually. (3) And yes it's only been 9 months since COVID has begun to be counted.
    So for different reasons they can't be compared, in Irish context. Numerous examples abroad in more affected countries clearly show hospital resource usage far higher than anything like flu.

    USA has seen 1.07 million hospital admissions for COVID(as of 26th December) over the 9 months from March.
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html#:~:text=The%20overall%20cumulative%20COVID%2D19,Week%2049)%20and%20remain%20elevated.

    2018 was the highest estimated flu hospitalisations in US history with 810,000 hospitalisations.
    A normal flu season is 475k hospitalisations.

    UK is a more stark picture, mean of 28,000 flu hospitalisations per year.
    https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12889-016-3128-4.pdf
    UK has seen 281,000 COVID hospitalisations.
    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

    I don't quite understand why the disceprancy between the USA and UK is so large. Perhaps the British study is based only on confirmed flu hospitalisations, while the CDC is an estimate of prior flu seasons. Either way just 28k flu hospitalisations in UK sounds implausibly low if the American flu hospitalisations esitmates are accurate.

    CDC use estimates; they believe that flu death is generally underreported and so use estimates which are very generous. The method behind these inflated estimates have been questioned but largely they go unchallanged, probably because they help to encourage vaccination and good hygiene practices during the flu season


  • #1168
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Jaysus, think I’ll give Braveheart a tenth watch after reading this.

    Covid can take our lives, but it will never take our freedom... oh wait!

    We have seen how it panned out. It doesnt take much to act sensibly and yet we are at unprecedented numbers now. None of these restrictions would have been there. Alas...a wishful thinking.

    Barveheart is not required, some semblance of sensibility and social responsibility is enough. Otherwise people lose their job or worse, life.


  • #1169
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    glasso wrote: »
    the estimation of the % of asymptomatic cases has been downgraded to as low as 20% of cases

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3#:~:text=Research%20early%20in%20the%20pandemic,asymptomatic%20presentation%20to%20be%2017%25.
    That then makes the likelihood of impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection to be 58.1%. Odds I like even less.


  • #1170
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    nocoverart wrote: »
    Jaysus, think I’ll give Braveheart a tenth watch after reading this.

    Covid can take our lives, but it will never take our freedom... oh wait!

    Have I inspired you nocoverart? :)


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  • #1171
    CalamariFritti
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    Antares35 wrote: »
    My parents were locked down in Spain for the first one. Everything shut except supermarkets and pharmacies. Even going for a food shop, only one person was allowed. None of this entire families browsing the middle aisle in Lidl. And there were shop marshalls enforcing distancing, as opposed to here where you have to queue in a traffic light system to get in and then it's a fúckin free for all anyway.

    You could only go out to exercise your dog. Some poor dog was confiscated when it was noticed on his tenth walk of the day that he was being unofficially rented out to people who wanted to be out and about with legitimate excuse :D

    A friend of theirs decided to tidy up the garden. When he stepped out onto the pavement to trim the hedge he was told "go back inside sir". He said "but I'm just trimming the..."

    "Back inside sir". So he did. But they have big guns..our lads have telescopic batons iirc.

    That's a proper lockdown :D

    Shame it didnt actually help them with the virus though.


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