Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

Gruffalux · 03-01-2021 12:08PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is something I noticed in America in the late 90s when I lived there.

You would have TV shows with exclusively black casts.
Moesha and The Bernie Mac Show are two that come to mind.
And then you would have shows with exclusively white casts, Seinfeld, Frasher, Friends etc.

And they were pitched at two different ethic audiences.

The Fresh Prince of Bel Aire and The Cosby Show were earlier examples.

Interestingly I never watched or knew any white people who watched the black shows in the US but I watched the latter two no bother when I lived in Ireland.

Now that you mention the shows from childhood I remember that I did not even notice that the characters in the Fresh Prince or the Cosby show were ''black''. Of course I could see they were black but it literally never registered beyond the same as noticing someone had blond hair in the Brady Bunch. They were just cool and funny and people. It never crossed my mind that these were ''different''. Maybe all this race awareness stuff is actually dividing rather than uniting? Because now everyone is supposed to be somehow aware of the intersectional bias etc going on in front of us. Like becoming hyper aware of your heart beat can actually be a bit freaky. You begin to notice it all the time when it is not useful to do so. Leave it alone.
It is all a bit weird when you think of it. Forced, I suppose, is the word. Like an OCD of race awareness.

Invidious · 03-01-2021 12:13PM

AllForIt wrote: »

Proportional representation is not what they are after, it's equal representation, i.e. the same number of black ppl on TV whether it's news, drama, weather forcasting. 50/50 b/w and noting less.

Which is ridiculous. The last UK census showed that 87% of the population is white, 7% is Asian, and only 3% is black.

Under what logic does 3% of the population get 50% of the representation on TV?

03-01-2021 01:07PM

Here is an example of "anti-woke" in action and the press reaction to it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-55339078

Racism in ballet: Black dancer's 'humiliation' at racist comments
Racism in ballet: Black dancer's 'humiliation' at racist comments

Chloé Lopes Gomes says she has faced racial harassment while being a ballet dancer.

The French performer is the first black female dancer at Berlin's principal ballet company Staatsballett.

Ms Gomes claims she was told she did not fit in because of her skin colour, and was asked to wear white make up so she would 'blend in' with the other dancers.

The company has responded by saying her allegation "deeply moves us" and an internal investigation is underway into racism and discrimination at Staatsballett.

You have to ask yourself, why is this the most viewed video on the BBC news website?

Gruffalux · 03-01-2021 01:15PM

^^^Well the ballet mistress should certainly be investigated, what dreadful behaviour. She sounds like a horror. I am very surprised at such a story from Berlin 2020 (2021)

Fr Tod Umptious · 03-01-2021 01:48PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Now that you mention the shows from childhood I remember that I did not even notice that the characters in the Fresh Prince or the Cosby show were ''black''. Of course I could see they were black but it literally never registered beyond the same as noticing someone had blond hair in the Brady Bunch. They were just cool and funny and people. It never crossed my mind that these were ''different''. Maybe all this race awareness stuff is actually dividing rather than uniting? Because now everyone is supposed to be somehow aware of the intersectional bias etc going on in front of us. Like becoming hyper aware of your heart beat can actually be a bit freaky. You begin to notice it all the time when it is not useful to do so. Leave it alone.
It is all a bit weird when you think of it. Forced, I suppose, is the word. Like an OCD of race awareness.

Exactly.
I only noticed that when I lived in a country were race was a big issue.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-01-2021 01:49PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

^^^Well the ballet mistress should certainly be investigated, what dreadful behaviour. She sounds like a horror. I am very surprised at such a story from Berlin 2020 (2021)

Berlin is usually a lot more rational in its reaction to racism claims - as in it will think and try and investigate rather than automatically be outraged.

There's a lot more of a cultural / international mix here than in most cities, and a lot less 'woke' sentiments.

I get the feeling that extreme wokeism is more prevalent in native English speaking regions.

03-01-2021 02:01PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Berlin is usually a lot more rational in its reaction to racism claims - as in it will think and try and investigate rather than automatically be outraged.

There's a lot more of a cultural / international mix here than in most cities, and a lot less 'woke' sentiments.

I get the feeling that extreme wokeism is more prevalent in native English speaking regions.

The point is that this is a minor incident that could be construed as racist, where the ballet mistress is thinking about the fact that the dancers should look alike as much as possible.
I doubt that she was overtly being racist.
The issue I have is that this has become the most viewed article on the BBC news site (the top story) above news items such as the legal challenge on the US elections etc.

Are people actively seeking out such stories and sharing the hell out of them to (up vote them).

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-01-2021 02:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The point is that this is a minor incident that could be construed as racist, where the ballet mistress is thinking about the fact that the dancers should look alike as much as possible.
I doubt that she was overtly being racist.
The issue I have is that this has become the most viewed article on the BBC news site (the top story) above news items such as the legal challenge on the US elections etc.

Are people actively seeking out such stories and sharing the hell out of them to (up vote them).

It;s not just the BBC though - it's in the German media as well. Also, the dancer in question has claimed that it's not about making the dancers look as much alike as possible.

"During those two and a half years, I was under the supervision of a ballet mistress who said that ballet should not take me because I am Black and a woman of color in a 'corps de ballet' is something that is not aesthetic, not homogeneous," Lopes Gomes told DW. "She made racist jokes and comments."

https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-state-ballet-dancer-speaks-out-about-racism/a-55934810

I can't comment on whether it was for purely aesthitic reasons without knowing about the specific production.

03-01-2021 03:34PM

The dancer herself states "in a 'corps de ballet' is something that is not aesthetic, not homogeneous," , so I find it hard to believe that it is racists, what if she wanted all the dancers to have black hair and excluded the ginger one?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-01-2021 03:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The dancer herself states "in a 'corps de ballet' is something that is not aesthetic, not homogeneous," , so I find it hard to believe that it is racists, what if she wanted all the dancers to have black hair and excluded the ginger one?

You misread - that was what she was being told by the ballett mistress.

You still haven't investigated the specific production so you can't say whether or not she had a point.

Tony EH · 03-01-2021 04:35PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Exactly.
I only noticed that when I lived in a country were race was a big issue.

That's where all of this current wave of nonsense comes from. The hand wringing over their despicable past and the plain old American propensity for just being OTT about absolutely everything.

MisterAnarchy · 03-01-2021 08:03PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I was listening to a race debate on UK media recently. They were talking about black visibility, for e.g. in soap operas (yawn) and that sort of thing, mostly TV.
Proportional representation is not what they are after, it's equal representation, i.e. the same number of black ppl on TV whether it's news, drama, weather forcasting. 50/50 b/w and noting less.

"Why not have a soap opera where everyone is black" one contributor said, to give you the jist of where they're now coming from. I'm really not sure if they are serious; more likely they are just stirring it up for the sake of creating controversy.

I don't watch much general TV myself, but when it comes to black representation on general TV I think they get a lot, from black politicians asked on discussion panels regularly, Bame characters in soap operas, TV commercials, in the UK and even more so on US TV. You do get that 'we will never be satisfied' vibe off them.

Only 3% of the Uk population is Black.
3.5% of the English population is Black, 0.7% of Scotland ,0.6% of Wales.
In Ireland travellers make up 0.7% of the population.
Are travellers underepresented on TV ??

If we widen it to BAME people, ethnic minorities make up 22% of actors and presenters while only representing 12% of the British population, research shows.

Some people want to have their cake and eat it.

AllForIt · 03-01-2021 09:25PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

This is something I noticed in America in the late 90s when I lived there.

You would have TV shows with exclusively black casts.
Moesha and The Bernie Mac Show are two that come to mind.
And then you would have shows with exclusively white casts, Seinfeld, Frasher, Friends etc.

And they were pitched at two different ethic audiences.

The Fresh Prince of Bel Aire and The Cosby Show were earlier examples.

Interestingly I never watched or knew any white people who watched the black shows in the US but I watched the latter two no bother when I lived in Ireland.

Yes I remember all those shows, The Cosby's etc, and watched them. So then why are ppl asking questions like "why don't we have all black cast sitcoms"? Answer, as I already said, they are sh*t-stirring. Trying to create the impression that there is endemic racism where it doesn't exist. There is of course a big difference between endemic/systemic racism vs some individual being a racist.

I've never heard so much about 'unconscious bias' as I have in the last year. All just more sh*t-stirring by people mostly from the UK currently, US as well of course,, who are ...white. White middle class champagne socialist types. Those types of people love to uses expressions like 'we should call racism out whenever we see it....we have a no tolerance policy to racism'. Well, okay then, but I'm going to call out those types of people as well. They don't have a monopoly on calling things out as if you need to part of some self-imagined intellectual moral elite to do so.

Potential-Monke · 03-01-2021 10:19PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Now that you mention the shows from childhood I remember that I did not even notice that the characters in the Fresh Prince or the Cosby show were ''black''. Of course I could see they were black but it literally never registered beyond the same as noticing someone had blond hair in the Brady Bunch. They were just cool and funny and people. It never crossed my mind that these were ''different''. Maybe all this race awareness stuff is actually dividing rather than uniting? Because now everyone is supposed to be somehow aware of the intersectional bias etc going on in front of us. Like becoming hyper aware of your heart beat can actually be a bit freaky. You begin to notice it all the time when it is not useful to do so. Leave it alone.
It is all a bit weird when you think of it. Forced, I suppose, is the word. Like an OCD of race awareness.

This, 100% this. I grew up with Sabrina the Teenage Witch and Sister Sister as 2 shows I watched religiously as they were the ones being shown on tv at the time. Looking back now, yeah, Sister Sister had black main actresses, and Sabrina was the whitest of white, but that never dawned on me at the time. They were just actors (actresses back then). Same with Will Smith in Fresh Prince, as you noted. Just didn't register.

And you're dead right, this carry on is only widening a divide that wasn't really there in Ireland to begin with (there are always some, but a miniscule amount over here in my experience). It's separating out people by skin colour, the exact opposite of what should be happening.

AllForIt · 04-01-2021 01:20AM

Potential-Monke wrote: »

And you're dead right, this carry on is only widening a divide that wasn't really there in Ireland to begin with (there are always some, but a miniscule amount over here in my experience). It's separating out people by skin colour, the exact opposite of what should be happening.

Once our ethnic makeup evolved over the last twenty years, if evolved is the right term, out media's rhetoric on race relations instantaneously became a carbon copy of what you see in the UK and US. Instantaneously.

The irony is, when it comes to any demographic bone of contention, it is now completely unacceptable (and that goes for this board) to talk about any demographic universally ( which is naturally about something bad otherwise it wouldn't be a thing), but here you have people taring everyone with the same brush, i.e. white society who they say is inherently racist no matter even if there are no black ppl around).

One rule regarding white people, and a different rule for everyone else. That's not gonna turn out well in the long run because some will get very annoyed by it. I don't hold out much hope for socially peaceful times ahead, including on this board, when there is no level playing field.

edit: I am not criticising the mods on this forum or boards per se. My comments are just a musing on the way things seem to be generally.

Strumms · 04-01-2021 04:29AM

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Only 3% of the Uk population is Black.
3.5% of the English population is Black, 0.7% of Scotland ,0.6% of Wales.
In Ireland travellers make up 0.7% of the population.
Are travellers underepresented on TV ??

If we widen it to BAME people, ethnic minorities make up 22% of actors and presenters while only representing 12% of the British population, research shows.

Some people want to have their cake and eat it.

In other words, they will complain when white peoples are perceived to be over represented but not the other way around...

Then you’ll be told they are there on merit.

if the BBC hire on merit and attempt to just hire whomever they view to be suitable that’s 68% white British and 32% black for example for say camera operators... racist.

68% black 32% white British.. ok ?

Invidious · 04-01-2021 09:56AM

Strumms wrote: »

In other words, they will complain when white peoples are perceived to be over represented but not the other way around...

That's always the way.

Just as it's headline news that only one in nine Irish CEOs is female, while we rarely hear about imbalances in female-dominated professions such as teaching. It's a rarity these days for a primary school child to have a male teacher, but apparently that's not a problem for the woke brigade.

Elmer Blooker · 04-01-2021 10:22AM

It has to be all a pi55 take at this stage!

Missouri Democrat and United Methodist pastor Emanuel Cleaver has come under fire after he wrapped up his prayer in the US House by saying "amen" and "awoman" in an apparent nod to gender equality.
Cleaver (D-MO), who has represented Missouri ........

Hellokitty1212 · 04-01-2021 10:26AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It has to be all a pi55 take at this stage!

Amen is a word though ?

Would we have start starting “womenstruators” or “womental health”???

NIMAN · 04-01-2021 10:27AM

But the 'men' in amen doesn't refer to gender afaik.

Invidious · 04-01-2021 10:28AM

NIMAN wrote: »

But the 'men' in amen doesn't refer to gender afaik.

Of course not. Amen is a biblical Hebrew word meaning "so be it." Nothing whatsoever to do with men or women.

keano_afc · 04-01-2021 10:30AM

Amen means so be it. Its an actual word. Awoman is meaningless nonsense.

"We're almost finished with that road boss, just have to lay a fresh layer of bituwomen."

Kivaro · 04-01-2021 11:07AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It has to be all a pi55 take at this stage!

In fairness, look at the name: United Methodist pastor Emanuel Cleaver.
Sounds like a hatchet-carrying mass murdering porn star preacher.

(Edit: This has the makings of a great Netflix series).

Hellokitty1212 · 04-01-2021 11:26AM

Kivaro wrote: »

In fairness, look at the name: United Methodist pastor Emanuel Cleaver.
Sounds like a hatchet-carrying mass murdering porn star preacher.

(Edit: This has the makings of a great Netflix series).

I’m not on Netflix but I’d sign up to watch that!

Gruffalux · 04-01-2021 11:42AM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

It has to be all a pi55 take at this stage!

If its the Dem party they recently issued guidelines re invitations to opening of Congress. "Parents siblings" is to be used instead of Aunt or Uncle. Ya know...so all the transgender aunties won't be offended. No word should be used that indicates definitive gender eg sister, father etc. Its going to be gas watching the next cycle in US Politics.

Gruffalux · 04-01-2021 11:52AM

Wah whatever Im mixed up - its the House rules package for 117th Congress. Same same. No aunties allowed.

ingalway · 04-01-2021 02:08PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

Wah whatever Im mixed up - its the House rules package for 117th Congress. Same same. No aunties allowed.

Only Aunt Lydia.

biko · 04-01-2021 07:18PM

Is PETA woke?

https://time.com/2798480/peta-autism-got-milk/

peta-got-autism-billboard.jpg?w=800&quality=85

IAMAMORON · 04-01-2021 07:30PM

biko wrote: »

Is PETA woke?

https://time.com/2798480/peta-autism-got-milk/

Textbook vegan scaremongering and really highlights the dangers of modern digital media. There is no contrast - everything just gets stated as fact.

Scumbags. These are the same people pushing the agenda on farmed bovine generated methane. They produce movies which shame meat eating of any kind.

It also demeans genuine sufferers of Autism - insofar as persecutory minds will focus on how people are being born with autism and looking to point fingers and potential culpability in the parents of victims. This is grossly unfair. All to smother themselves in conceited smugness over their food choices. This epitomises the pitfalls of modern choice. People are influenced by reinforcing their often flawed life decisions on the media driven lobby of some lifestyle movement. Being informed is potentially a weakness in itself.

It males me angry , it shouldn't, but it does.

ingalway · 04-01-2021 10:00PM

Interesting thread intertwined with quotes from George Orwell's 1984 - Orwell was spot on. We are in very dangerous times.

“Transgender women’s penises are biologically female”

https://twitter.com/cache_pas/status/1345971590618603520?s=20

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