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endainoz · 02-01-2021 05:02PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/flu-outbreak-linked-to-18-deaths-and-strain-on-emergency-departments-1.4125414

Bit of perspective for everyone thinking that doomsday is upon us

I don't get the point here, we know flu can kill people. Is it dangerous to contract it for vunerable people? Yes. Is it more infectious than covid? No. Is it as widespread as Covid is in the country currently? No. It's absolutely as serious as it was last March April. The only saving grace is that vaccines will save lives of vunerable people this time.

The rest of us just need to cop on and get on with it.

emaherx · 02-01-2021 05:10PM

endainoz wrote: »

I don't get the point here, we know flu can kill people. Is it dangerous to contract it for vunerable people? Yes. Is it more infectious than covid? No. Is it as widespread as Covid is in the country currently? No. It's absolutely as serious as it was last March April. The only saving grace is that vaccines will save lives of vunerable people this time.

The rest of us just need to cop on and get on with it.

That article is also from 2019, wonder how many of those cases were actually covid? it says flu and flu symptoms, covid has been proven to be in Europe since at least September of that year and it also mentions how the flu season came early.

_Brian · 02-01-2021 06:55PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Was reading there vaccinations will be delayed for nursing home as they are finding it difficult to get nursing homes that are covid free. This is another ****show.

Between lobby groups and idiots putting pressure on the government for a “meaningful Christmas” the country has gone from an exceptionally good position into a run away train. We’ve completely lost containment in the last three weeks.
The current plan the government has in place will not contain covid quick enough. If they want to get this under control sadly a lockdown similar to early 2020 will be needed. We sold out for a few nights out drinking. Terrible decision by the government.

I’m sure the country is awash with people with data entry skills who should be in place to get the current accurate data into the system but they didn’t put that in place either.now we have a backlog of 10,000 data points not accurately represented in the figures.

I support the overall effort the government are making but individually some portions are terribly mismanaged.

wrangler · 02-01-2021 07:43PM

_Brian wrote: »

Between lobby groups and idiots putting pressure on the government for a “meaningful Christmas” the country has gone from an exceptionally good position into a run away train. We’ve completely lost containment in the last three weeks.
The current plan the government has in place will not contain covid quick enough. If they want to get this under control sadly a lockdown similar to early 2020 will be needed. We sold out for a few nights out drinking. Terrible decision by the government.

I’m sure the country is awash with people with data entry skills who should be in place to get the current accurate data into the system but they didn’t put that in place either.now we have a backlog of 10,000 data points not accurately represented in the figures.

I support the overall effort the government are making but individually some portions are terribly mismanaged.

Again I say, the government didn't close the country the people did, we're long enough into this for everyone to know to reduce contacts. The population deserve all the hassle now they're getting now. Is this the result of bringing up children with the sense of entitlement they have.

dzer2 · 02-01-2021 07:58PM

wrangler wrote: »

Again I say, the government didn't close the country the people did, we're long enough into this for everyone to know to reduce contacts. The population deserve all the hassle now they're getting now. Is this the result of bringing up children with the sense of entitlement they have.

Wrangler your preaching to the converted here on this forum. I have been saying for ages we now have 2nd generation gob****es raising pure bred ones all over the country. In this forum most work for a living and have a reasonable level of cop on.
Haven't seen my dad since March only dropped off a Christmas letter to him drafted by our youngest in school after it was in the house for 2 weeks.
I unfortunately have to go out to work travelling the country. During the last lock down you could see it wasn't working after 2 weeks the roads were as busy as during the summer. This one won't work either as most people are banking on the vaccine already.
Got a phone call on Stephen's day to fix a machine even though the parts couldn't be got until 29th. They rang around until they got someone to go to them, he really fcuked it up cost 1k extra on eventually.
Not looking forward to the next 3 months, haven't had a break since last January and cant go anywhere until probably the summer

Just stay safe and at home, enough of us have to travel essentially

Water John · 02-01-2021 08:03PM

We actually have lost track on the daily positive Covid figures. We have a figure over 3K today, but we know they are at this point backing up.
At 1% mortality, that's 30 deaths per day.

In NI they had 26 deaths today, equivalent in ROI would be 70+.
That looks like peak deaths here. Hopefully will be easing off in Feb. And most vulnerable are by then vaccinated. Even one dose gives significant protection and almost eliminates deaths.
Dr. John Campbell's analysis of one dose being used as much as possible is worth listening to. Second dose could follow in about 12 weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-jqf6i5OLc

wrangler · 02-01-2021 08:07PM

dzer2 wrote: »

Wrangler your preaching to the converted here on this forum. I have been saying for ages we now have 2nd generation gob****es raising pure bred ones all over the country. In this forum most work for a living and have a reasonable level of cop on.
Haven't seen my dad since March only dropped off a Christmas letter to him drafted by our youngest in school after it was in the house for 2 weeks.
I unfortunately have to go out to work travelling the country. During the last lock down you could see it wasn't working after 2 weeks the roads were as busy as during the summer. This one won't work either as most people are banking on the vaccine already.
Got a phone call on Stephen's day to fix a machine even though the parts couldn't be got until 29th. They rang around until they got someone to go to them, he really fcuked it up cost 1k extra on eventually.
Not looking forward to the next 3 months, haven't had a break since last January and cant go anywhere until probably the summer

Just stay safe and at home, enough of us have to travel essentially

I have two cousins in community nursing , one has been secunded in to the front line in the worst part of England and works near a port, she's doing testing now and she has to go on board ships if there's any sick on board and test all and she has avoided it. surely there's a lesson there. she'll be vaccinating from about the 20th, the other cousin is still out in her community even though another on her team refuses to go out of the office.
All I'm saying is people shouldn't be blaming the government, everyone knows the solution now

dh1985 · 02-01-2021 08:29PM

wrangler wrote: »

Again I say, the government didn't close the country the people did, we're long enough into this for everyone to know to reduce contacts. The population deserve all the hassle now they're getting now. Is this the result of bringing up children with the sense of entitlement they have.

Its not just children though. Heard a good few stories about people of your own vintage acting the bollox in the last few weeks also. Unfortunately stupidity encompasses all age groups. In fact I work with a good few younger lads in their 20's and couldn't believe how responsible they had been acting up until Christmas. Then hear of men in their 60's out drinking until all hours of the morning.
Also with the rise is there any breakdown of where they have originated. Is it the pubs and restaurants or across all sectors of society.

Base price · 02-01-2021 09:28PM

dzer2 wrote: »

I have been saying for ages we now have 2nd generation gob****es raising pure bred ones all over the country.

IMO that is the quote of the year re Covid.

Water John · 02-01-2021 09:33PM

Base price wrote: »

IMO that is the quote of the year re Covid.

Might be better to remember those who went made great family sacrafices.

jaymla627 · 02-01-2021 11:21PM

endainoz wrote: »

I don't get the point here, we know flu can kill people. Is it dangerous to contract it for vunerable people? Yes. Is it more infectious than covid? No. Is it as widespread as Covid is in the country currently? No. It's absolutely as serious as it was last March April. The only saving grace is that vaccines will save lives of vunerable people this time.

The rest of us just need to cop on and get on with it.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/june2020/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_16062020_%20v1%20website.pdf

It was pretty harmless back then too, look at the data, the only area of the entire population under any threat is over 65’s with serious underlying health conditions, and at that its not till you get to the over 75 age groups that you experience big numbers, that was in no small part to Tony putting Covid positive patients into Nursing homes from hospitals at the time as doomsday was coming, I reckon the suicide figures for 2020 in the age demographic of under. 65’s will be multiples of the Covid death rate but you won’t see that talked about by mainstream media

endainoz · 02-01-2021 11:30PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/june2020/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_16062020_%20v1%20website.pdf

It was pretty harmless back then too, look at the data, the only area of the entire population under any threat is over 65’s with serious underlying health conditions, and at that its not till you get to the over 75 age groups that you experience big numbers, that was in no small part to Tony putting Covid positive patients into Nursing homes from hospitals at the time as doomsday was coming, I reckon the suicide figures for 2020 in the age demographic of under. 65’s will be multiples of the Covid death rate but you won’t see that talked about by mainstream media

I sincerely hope someone close to you dosent die from it. If you have proof of suicide rates, please feel free to share. If you don't, all you have is idle speculation and your opinion on an anonymous thread holds little weight.

Reggie. · 02-01-2021 11:41PM

endainoz wrote: »

I sincerely hope someone close to you dosent die from it. If you have proof of suicide rates, please feel free to share. If you don't, all you have is idle speculation and your opinion on an anonymous thread holds little weight.

Suicide rates cannot be calculated for 2020 due to the restrictions.

Its coroners that call suicides not doctors and the process takes upto 6 months at least.

By the time any backlog is cleared for 2020 the pandemic will be finished but at that point it would be too late for any people that may commit suicide during that time period.

I myself do believe that the suicide rate will have risen substantially due to the restrictions. Now if it's more deaths than covid or not remains to be seen.

https://www.thejournal.ie/suicide-ireland-august-claim-33-deaths-factcheck-5192698-Sep2020/

jaymla627 · 02-01-2021 11:52PM

endainoz wrote: »

I sincerely hope someone close to you dosent die from it. If you have proof of suicide rates, please feel free to share. If you don't, all you have is idle speculation and your opinion on an anonymous thread holds little weight.

As reggie said they won’t be available till next year, it’s facts I’m stating not opinion looking at the latest available data up to December 11 the average median age of deaths due to Covid in Ireland is 83, the total number of deaths for all age groups under 65 is around 250 people, of all the antidotes of healthy people succumbing to Covid its actually a tiny % of the population, to be honest I’d be more worried about friends our family dying in a car crash then Covid as statistical it’s a couple of 100% more probable....
The gas thing is if Covid 19 had hit the world in a pre internet world before 1st world countries went alt right and pandered to the extreme left Covid 19 would of been a non-event

Water John · 03-01-2021 12:02AM

'The gas thing is if Covid 19 had hit the world in a pre internet world before 1st world countries went alt right and pandered to the extreme left Covid 19 would of been a non-event' Jam
Not sure what that means? Is it the right or the left or both?
My personal opinion is that I cannot say if there has been a rise or drop in suicide. Now, oddly enough, against some belief I am of the opinion that the mental health of many actually improved. Slower pace of life and refocus on important things in life.

Tonynewholland · 03-01-2021 12:25AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

As reggie said they won’t be available till next year, it’s facts I’m stating not opinion looking at the latest available data up to December 11 the average median age of deaths due to Covid in Ireland is 83, the total number of deaths for all age groups under 65 is around 250 people, of all the antidotes of healthy people succumbing to Covid its actually a tiny % of the population, to be honest I’d be more worried about friends our family dying in a car crash then Covid as statistical it’s a couple of 100% more probable....
The gas thing is if Covid 19 had hit the world in a pre internet world before 1st world countries went alt right and pandered to the extreme left Covid 19 would of been a non-event

Almost every country are handling it in a similar way. Are they all wrong

Water John · 03-01-2021 12:27AM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

Almost every country are handling it in a similar way. Are they all wrong

The only real difference ATM is the UK, going for one dose to be followed by a second after 11/12 weeks. I think that option is one we should consider once vaccines are shipping regularly. Say we use two shots, as per initial plan in Jan and Feb. Nursing homes and hospitals done. Then a massive 10 week vaccination campaign, with one dose.

Base price · 03-01-2021 12:28AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

As reggie said they won’t be available till next year, it’s facts I’m stating not opinion looking at the latest available data up to December 11 the average median age of deaths due to Covid in Ireland is 83, the total number of deaths for all age groups under 65 is around 250 people, of all the antidotes of healthy people succumbing to Covid its actually a tiny % of the population, to be honest I’d be more worried about friends our family dying in a car crash then Covid as statistical it’s a couple of 100% more probable....
The gas thing is if Covid 19 had hit the world in a pre internet world before 1st world countries went alt right and pandered to the extreme left Covid 19 would of been a non-event

What difference does it make what the median age is?

Limestone Cowboy · 03-01-2021 12:34AM

Was squeezing weanlings for a friend yesterday and dosing sheep with him and he just text me there now that he thinks his misses has it. An awful lot of cases locally around here the last two days.

whelan2 · 03-01-2021 07:14AM

Water John wrote: »

The only real difference ATM is the UK, going for one dose to be followed by a second after 11/12 weeks. I think that option is one we should consider once vaccines are shipping regularly. Say we use two shots, as per initial plan in Jan and Feb. Nursing homes and hospitals done. Then a massive 10 week vaccination campaign, with one dose.

The problem is though they cant do the nursing homes if there's cases in there. Getting hard to get homes with no confirmed or suspect cases atm

arctictree · 03-01-2021 09:22AM

whelan2 wrote: »

The problem is though they cant do the nursing homes if there's cases in there. Getting hard to get homes with no confirmed or suspect cases atm

Do you know why they can't do them? Surely those ones would be the ones they need to do first?

wrangler · 03-01-2021 09:32AM

arctictree wrote: »

Do you know why they can't do them? Surely those ones would be the ones they need to do first?

For any vaccine to work, your immunity has to be uncompromised. it's the same with the flu vaccine, you'd be told to only go for it if you're in full health
Just relating man to beast, if sheep are give their second vaccination more that eight or ten weeks from the first, you have no efffect from the first one and are supposed to start again. The Vaccine companies are saying they won't guarantee the Covid vaccine if not repeated in the specified time

whelan2 · 03-01-2021 09:51AM

I know they say construction is essential but should it close. Lads coming back from abroad after the holidays and a good few coming across the border to work. Surely everyone wont be wearing masks and practicing social distancing on the sites

Neddyusa · 03-01-2021 09:55AM

whelan2 wrote: »

The problem is though they cant do the nursing homes if there's cases in there. Getting hard to get homes with no confirmed or suspect cases atm

If that's the case, then the vaccine is basically useless until prevalence drops in the summer.

How much do Pfizer charge for this again?!

wrangler · 03-01-2021 10:05AM

Neddyusa wrote: »

If that's the case, then the vaccine is basically useless until prevalence drops in the summer.

How much do Pfizer charge for this again?!

If they can't do nursing homes there's plenty of people out in the community that'll take it, send them on.
I'm fed up of the lethargic public service now

_Brian · 03-01-2021 10:06AM

whelan2 wrote: »

The problem is though they cant do the nursing homes if there's cases in there. Getting hard to get homes with no confirmed or suspect cases atm

RTnews site still running an article saying they will have all 70,000 in care homes done by the end of the month.
Be interesting to see how that pans out.

whelan2 · 03-01-2021 10:08AM

_Brian wrote: »

RTnews site still running an article saying they will have all 70,000 in care homes done by the end of the month.
Be interesting to see how that pans out.

On another site I'm on theres a woman working 24/7 in the hse atm. She was saying yesterday that's what's happening. She just said it's crazy atm. Very disheartening after all the work put in all along

Neddyusa · 03-01-2021 10:09AM

Base price wrote: »

What difference does it make what the median age is?

Its the type of stat that the HSE (used to) use when deciding whether to purchase a new medicine/treatment that becomes available.

They weigh up the cost of the medicine Vs the years of life that could be saved for a patient.
Much as it sounds cold and callous - the decision (pre-covid) would have been, that if the only lives saved were those over 83 (older than average life expectancy) then they would not purchase the treatment.
Important number for health insurance also for similar reasons.
Hence the big difference if the median age of death was 13 rather than 83.

Mooooo · 03-01-2021 10:13AM

It's ****ing vets they should get in to run the programme. Any vet or pharma company wont stand over any vaccine not given at the correct intervals, the trials were done on the 3 wk basis.
Also if there is an outbreak within a herd, the animals need treatment first and the vaccine is generally given once it has been dealt with. Pointless giving a vaccine to people with it currently as they are already fighting it, the vaccine would add nothing to the equation.
They have no idea how many have it and dropped the ball on testing this outbreak expecting that it wasnt going to happen as such. Dog on the street would tell you there were pubs all over the country packed over xmas, not a mind shopping centres etc

Neddyusa · 03-01-2021 10:17AM

whelan2 wrote: »

On another site I'm on theres a woman working 24/7 in the hse atm. She was saying yesterday that's what's happening. She just said it's crazy atm. Very disheartening after all the work put in all along

What's the gist of what she was saying?

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