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Gardaí warned discounts at takeaways is seen as corruption

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  • #32
    whisky_galore
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    A lot of them should stay out of the takeaways anyway. When I come back to Ireland I'm always shocked at how fat and unfit looking so many of the Gardaí look. Almost bursting out of their uniform.

    They get them baggy so they can grow into them.


  • #33
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    Mimon wrote: »
    ? Do you work for the mafia or something, what would the point of this be?

    Who doesn't like a bit of gossip?


  • #34
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    This topic came up a few months ago on boards, in another thread. I was lambasted and accused of 'having a problem with guards' and 'being jealous' when I said that I thought guards taking freebies from businesses was unethical & should not happen.

    Glad to see the commissioner of police agrees with me.

    There is only one reason why these freebies are given.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    Glad to see the commissioner of police agrees with me.

    The commissioner of police appears to be sorting out corruption for sure.


  • #36
    Stovepipe
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    There will always be bent gardai,just like there are bent ordinary citizens. We hold them to a higher standard than the ordinary citizen, though, which is why we expect them to follow the rules they are taught about in Templemore. But, gardai get very cynical about the ordinary citizen very quickly, which is why some of them take the piss.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    jimwallace197 wrote: »
    Stop being so pedantic, they are extremely well represented whether its unions or representative associations. We have all heard of blue flu you know and experienced it. On top of this, they are one of the best paid police forces in the EU and thats before we even start discussing their overtime.

    I hope this is the start of a major curb of the serious corruption that exists amongst them in this country.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot, long may it last.

    And to think, it took an ex loyalist to get us here. Bloody hell

    Its not pendantic, they do not have a union. They do not have the right to industrial action. They do not have the right to strike. Garda union is already illegal

    And Gardai are not one of the best paid in the EU. They are in fact below most western nations having regard to income V cost of living. Our nearest neighbours earn more such as PSNI, London MET, French Gendarmes.

    Spanish guardia Civil earn less but get free accomodation and bills. No mortgage or running costs.

    Italy? Same as Spain.

    Germans? Earn more.

    So please, do continue. I mean not a single thing you said was accurate but dont let that stop you


  • #38
    suicide_circus
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    I have to tell my employer about any gifts, gratuities etc i receive and if i dont it's grounds for dismissal and actually in a lot of casrs i am forbidden from accepting anything. Perhaps the gardai could do the same?


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    There is only one reason why these freebies are given.

    Gratitude?

    I mean medical staff are currently free in my local cinema. Is that only so the cinema has on tap medical assistance? Is it corrupt by a doctor?


  • #40
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I have to tell my employer about any gifts, gratuities etc i receive and if i dont it's grounds for dismissal and actually in a lot of casrs i am forbidden from accepting anything. Perhaps the gardai could do the same?

    They do, monthly.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I have to tell my employer about any gifts, gratuities etc i receive and if i dont it's grounds for dismissal and actually in a lot of casrs i am forbidden from accepting anything. Perhaps the gardai could do the same?

    They already have to declare donations. A free coffee from someone you know or is grateful for something you did in the past being called corrupt is ridiculous


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
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    Strumms wrote: »
    Gardai get paid by the citizens of this country, to work for them.

    That should be enough...

    If you want to be a Garda, but you don’t think the pay is enough, go find an alternative career.

    You shouldn’t be taking gratuities, it’s not ethical it’s not fair.

    A pub in my area which has a station about 1.5 km’s to the north and one 2kms to the south of it... the pub put on an annual shindig each year for the Gardai, in the nightclub... meal, a few drinks vouchers and a DJ... all free gratis... they use kegs that are gifted by the brewery to be given out to the regulars as Xmas drinks but are instead used to give to the Guards... it keeps them sweet, onside. If there is trouble, Gardai are there in a heartbeat, if there is a ‘late night’ one thursday ie. a lock in to mark an occasion, no bother, Gardai give a hall pass.... if they themselves are celebrating a retirement or whatever, they only need lift the phone. They book a room and happy days...

    Another pub down the road, a well ran, quiet, nice , no trouble establishment, get the odd visit at 11.50, checking if people are still drinking on the premises... they of course don’t grease Garda wheels. The other place wouldn’t have called last orders as well they know.

    As has been pointed out before, we all pay each other. i pay your wages when I use your companies services.

    Im genuinely baffled why the clean pub getting 'the odd visit' is being mentioned as if its some sort of oppressive action.


  • #43
    GreeBo
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    Get Real wrote: »

    I took home ketchup sachets from a pub I worked in for a few months. That's a form of corruption. Doubt they'd make a film about it.

    And would you say that you had more or less influence then a Garda whilst working as a lounge girl?


  • #44
    suicide_circus
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Gratitude?

    I mean medical staff are currently free in my local cinema. Is that only so the cinema has on tap medical assistance? Is it corrupt by a doctor?
    It's not quite the same. Gardai have pretty extensive powers which puts them in a different bracket to other public servants. Customs officers and revenue staff should perhaps also not be taking gifts.


  • #45
    Mimon
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Who doesn't like a bit of gossip?

    Giving them free drink for gossip though?


  • #46
    Mimon
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    It's not quite the same. Gardai have pretty extensive powers which puts them in a different bracket to other public servants. Customs officers and revenue staff should perhaps also not be taking gifts.

    Nail on the head here.


  • #47
    tdf7187
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Its not pendantic, they do not have a union. They do not have the right to industrial action. They do not have the right to strike. Garda union is already illegal.

    Yes, it clearly is pedantic. Blue flu and the stunt they pulled only a few years' ago when they refused to do traffic patrols were strikes in all but name. The GRA has more power than most unions. Good that the likes of Drew Harris is standing up to them and even their own president is whistleblowing.


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    tdf7187 wrote: »
    Yes, it clearly is pedantic. Blue flu and the stunt they pulled only a few years' ago when they refused to do traffic patrols were strikes in all but name. The GRA has more power than most unions. Good that the likes of Drew Harris is standing up to them and even their own president is whistleblowing.

    Blue flu was in 1998.
    How exactly is Drew Harris standing up to the GRA?


  • #49
    Edgware
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    When John Stalker was investigating the shoot to kills in the North someone higher up thought he was getting too near the truth. So they opened an investigation into corrupt activities by him.
    Apparently they found that he received gifts from Manchester City F.C. On a matchday while on duty he received tea and a sausage roll free of charge while discussing crowd control plans with the Chief Steward.


  • #50
    GT89
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    Good Gardai should be treated no different to any other normal joe soap


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    GT89 wrote: »
    Good Gardai should be treated no different to any other normal joe soap

    Like the postman, or binman, or ambulance driver etc etc....
    All of whom are sometimes given a little token of appreciation, very insulting to throw it back in someone's face!


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  • #52
    listermint
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Like the postman, or binman, or ambulance driver etc etc....
    All of whom are sometimes given a little token of appreciation, very insulting to throw it back in someone's face!

    It's not though. I can't accept that but I appreciate the gesture is a simple response .

    We've to do yearly ethics courses in our place we aren't allowed accept anything from a customer or give them anything at all.

    What makes a guard different. Can they not use words like. No thank you ?


  • #53
    KaneToad
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Blue flu was in 1998.
    How exactly is Drew Harris standing up to the GRA?

    Guards threatened industrial action in their most recent pay award.

    It is illegal for them to strike yet they were threatening to do this. I think it diminishes their authority by trying to enforce the law and simultaneously threatening to knowingly break it.


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
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    KaneToad wrote: »
    Guards threatened industrial action in their most recent pay award.

    It is illegal for them to strike yet they were threatening to do this. I think it diminishes their authority by trying to enforce the law and simultaneously threatening to knowingly break it.

    It is not actually illegal


  • #55
    Mrs OBumble
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    Edgware wrote: »
    So should the Residents Association give the Community Garda a box of biscuits at Christmas as a gesture of appreciation or is that corruption?

    Well in New Zealand, the community cop can accept a couple of biscuits to accompany the cup of coffee he has with you, but if you give him a box of biscuits they will be accepted, registered and then regifted to a genuinely voluntary community group.


  • #56
    the beer revolu
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    About 15 years ago I worked doing wine deliveries. One Christmas I delivered a case of wine to a Garda station, addressed to a Garda from a solicitor. Even then, I thought that was a bit barefaced!


  • #57
    saabsaab
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    About 15 years ago I worked doing wine deliveries. One Christmas I delivered a case of wine to a Garda station, addressed to a Garda from a solicitor. Even then, I thought that was a bit barefaced!
    Why? Would it make a difference if it was a bottle of whiskey or a box of biscuits. It's not brown envelopes stuffed with cash and there is a difference.


  • #58
    Mad_maxx
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    Stovepipe wrote: »
    There will always be bent gardai,just like there are bent ordinary citizens. We hold them to a higher standard than the ordinary citizen, though, which is why we expect them to follow the rules they are taught about in Templemore. But, gardai get very cynical about the ordinary citizen very quickly, which is why some of them take the piss.

    whatever gave you the idea that irish people hold our police force to a high standard ?


  • #59
    TuringBot47
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    whatever gave you the idea that irish people hold our police force to a high standard ?

    On the flip side, what gave you the idea they're not?

    American cops couldn't understand an unarmed police force.


  • #60
    Edgware
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    whatever gave you the idea that irish people hold our police force to a high standard ?
    Independent surveys have shown this even allowing for bad behaviour by some Gardai. Most people are fair minded and see the good work Gardai do both in their job and with community groups. Our family will always be grateful to our local Gardai for their support far beyond the call of duty when my father was viciously assaulted by Provo thugs. He was doing his job as a Postman when the thugs dragged him from van at gunpoint, beat him and left him tied up on the side of the road at 6.30 a.m. on a January morning. It was particularly insulting as our grandfather had served 15 months in Ballykinlar during the War of Independence, something these thugs knew.


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  • #61
    Mad_maxx
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Independent surveys have shown this even allowing for bad behaviour by some Gardai. Most people are fair minded and see the good work Gardai do both in their job and with community groups. Our family will always be grateful to our local Gardai for their support far beyond the call of duty when my father was viciously assaulted by Provo thugs. He was doing his job as a Postman when the thugs dragged him from van at gunpoint, beat him and left him tied up on the side of the road at 6.30 a.m. on a January morning. It was particularly insulting as our grandfather had served 15 months in Ballykinlar during the War of Independence, something these thugs knew.

    Surveys regularly show high satisfaction with AGS, this despite the litany of stores in the past two decades with respect of corruption and scandal

    Like I said, we do not hold our police force to a high standard


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