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General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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  • #8012
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    jayo26 wrote: »
    What an absolute glorious Christmas present thanks sam you're the real father christmas.

    Great game for us neutrals tho i thought west brom played a blinder second half, hard to believe they were playing the team top of the table.

    Seems like the only present you got, not surprising really.


  • #8013
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Probably more so the pints than the points :pac:

    Maybe. Frustrating game, no doubt, but at the final whistle I just shrugged my shoulders and thought "That's what Allerdyce gives you". If we got pumped 0-3 I'd say something but a draw is hardly a disaster. On to Newcastle next.


  • #8014
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    fyfe79 wrote: »
    Maybe. Frustrating game, no doubt, but at the final whistle I just shrugged my shoulders and thought "That's what Allerdyce gives you". If we got pumped 0-3 I'd say something but a draw is hardly a disaster. On to Newcastle next.

    Aye. Game should have been dead and buried by HT.

    If only 1-0 up against Big Sam always feels like a suckerpunch will land


  • #8015
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,942 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Another example of a goalkeeper jumping on his toes just as shot is coming in. Made it too hard for him to react and get across


  • #8016
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    Jesus, I can't stand Liverpool but it's hardly embarrassing. Just waiting for someone to say they bottled it next.

    The supposedly best team in the league after a week's rest drawing at home to WBA whom are 2nd from bottom to me is the definition of embarrassing


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  • #8017
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,942 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RasTa wrote: »
    The supposedly best team in the league after a week's rest drawing at home to WBA whom are 2nd from bottom to me is the definition of embarrassing

    Are they the best team in the league? What is the supposedly?


  • #8018
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    Aye. Game should have been dead and buried by HT.

    If only 1-0 up against Big Sam always feels like a suckerpunch will land

    At halftime, Danny Higginbottom (on NBC?) said he can see WBA getting a point and I kind of agreed with him. No shock when the goal came - unfortunately a bad decision from Jones was enough to do it. Sam will pick up results like these throughout the season and will be enough to hit 40-45 points or thereabouts.


  • #8019
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    8-10 wrote: »
    Are they the best team in the league? What is the supposedly?

    That will be decided when the season is finished.


  • #8020
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    8-10 wrote: »
    Are they the best team in the league? What is the supposedly?

    Defending champions and currently top... so, eh, no, obvs? :confused:


  • #8021
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,221 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    podence made a meal out of that challenge anyway


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  • #8022
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    fyfe79 wrote: »
    Defending champions and currently top... so, eh, no, obvs? :confused:

    It's not hard. I dunno why you keep on mentioning the fact your top in December as it has no relevance, like the defending champions part.


  • #8023
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's not hard. I dunno why you keep on mentioning the fact your top in December as it has no relevance, like the defending champions part.

    So by your logic if a team wins the league the last day of the season there is infact no best team?

    Because the league would be over. So it's technically last season.


  • #8024
    ziggyman17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Same with United. Dropping points against Leicester when they should have had it won. Only difference is Liverpool are still top of the league with 3 main centre backs out while United have an 80 million pound flop in Maguire starting every game.

    Rattled.........:D:D


  • #8025
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,942 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RasTa wrote: »
    That will be decided when the season is finished.

    So why would you say supposedly then?

    Who do you suppose is best?


  • #8026
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    So by your logic if a team wins the league the last day of the season there is infact no best team?

    Because the league would be over. So it's technically last season.

    Good point made here, please continue.


  • #8027
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    8-10 wrote: »
    So why would you say supposedly then?

    You know how much I hate Liverpool so giving them any praise isn't allowed.


  • #8028
    8-10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,942 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    RasTa wrote: »
    You know how much I hate Liverpool so giving them any praise isn't allowed.

    Yeah it just seems strange though because you're trying to make a point that it's embarrassing because they're the best but aren't prepared to admit that.

    If Liverpool aren't actually the best, and that won't be decided for 6 months, then the result can't really be classed as being that embarrassing as everyone has dropped points to a bottom half team so far and the table will decide things at the end


  • #8029
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Until football changes to start awarding wins to the team with most possesion there is no anti-football.

    Its still the results that matter not the pretty factor.

    Anti-Football , hoofball - call it what you want - its horrible to watch , sorry endure


  • #8030
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    RasTa wrote: »
    It's not hard. I dunno why you keep on mentioning the fact your top in December as it has no relevance, like the defending champions part.


    League tables are generally compiled in order to determine the standings, from best (top) to worst (bottom). Liverpool have topped the most recent, finished, one which was the 19/20 season. And are currently topping the current, changeable, one which is the 20/21 season. Both of those things together are pretty good indicators.


  • #8031
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    thebaz wrote: »
    Anti-Football , hoofball - call it what you want - its horrible to watch , sorry endure

    It is, but I've no problem with Sam's 6-4-0 formation. It got him a point today - any other approach would've got them nothing. In fact, I think having these types of managers/teams act as a good foil to the more exciting managers/teams... if every team played the same way it would get kind of stale.


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  • #8032
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    fyfe79 wrote: »
    It is, but I've no problem with Sam's 6-4-0 formation. It got him a point today - any other approach would've got them nothing. In fact, I think having these types of managers/teams act as a good foil to the more exciting managers/teams... if every team played the same way it would get kind of stale.

    Indeed. Not every team can play possession football and trying to would see a lot of them slaughtered. It’s a results game. Nothing wrong with adapting tactics to win or to survive.

    Calling it anti football is wrong - it’s a perfectly valid if unattractive form of the game.


  • #8033
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Collie D wrote: »

    Calling it anti football is wrong - it’s a perfectly valid if unattractive form of the game.

    well it is, if all kids were taught to play the Big Sam style , football would be horrible - he sets his teamsup as difficult to beat (he does that) , but despite his own Big ego has no idea how to attack or play decent possesion football - we endured him at Everton and it was just wretched.


  • #8034
    theoneeyedman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,467 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    fyfe79 wrote: »
    It is, but I've no problem with Sam's 6-4-0 formation. It got him a point today - any other approach would've got them nothing. In fact, I think having these types of managers/teams act as a good foil to the more exciting managers/teams... if every team played the same way it would get kind of stale.


    There are teams that have little choice but to play like that, given the resources available, WBA, Burnley for example.

    It's not nice on the eye, certainly not entertainment, but as someone said before (Dunphy?) ' if you want entertainment, go to the pictures '!

    I've less sympathy for well resourced teams, with lots of money and that hire the likes of Jose and Sam and still play like that... I'm looking at you Spurs!


  • #8035
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,111 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    8-10 wrote: »
    Yeah it just seems strange though because you're trying to make a point that it's embarrassing because they're the best but aren't prepared to admit that.

    If Liverpool aren't actually the best, and that won't be decided for 6 months, then the result can't really be classed as being that embarrassing as everyone has dropped points to a bottom half team so far and the table will decide things at the end

    I could have said the defending ...... dropping points at home to newly promoted and 2nd from bottom WBA is embarrassing but I can't use the C word to describe Liverpool as I mentioned above.


  • #8036
    Girly Gal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    thebaz wrote: »
    well it is, if all kids were taught to play the Big Sam style , football would be horrible - he sets his teamsup as difficult to beat (he does that) , but despite his own Big ego has no idea how to attack or play decent possesion football - we endured him at Everton and it was just wretched.

    Different styles of football make for interesting matches, if all teams play the same way it gets boring very fast. WBA are entitled to play whatever way they want, it's up to other teams to break them down.


  • #8037
    ~Rebel~
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,074 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    thebaz wrote: »
    well it is, if all kids were taught to play the Big Sam style , football would be horrible - he sets his teamsup as difficult to beat (he does that) , but despite his own Big ego has no idea how to attack or play decent possesion football - we endured him at Everton and it was just wretched.

    I think he can, he just consistency chooses not to as time has gone on.. I LOVED his Bolton team around 2003 and 2004, great mix of grit and style.

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  • #8038
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Collie D wrote: »
    Indeed. Not every team can play possession football and trying to would see a lot of them slaughtered. It’s a results game. Nothing wrong with adapting tactics to win or to survive.

    Calling it anti football is wrong - it’s a perfectly valid if unattractive form of the game.

    But it's not an either/or.

    Allardyce's ugly football might still see WBA relegated.

    And Brighton, Fulham and others that are a little easier on the eye might stay up.


  • #8039
    Fitz*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,855 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Allardyce was one of the early adaptors of data science, analysis and using Opta in his teams. I think he might have been one of the early adaptors of the GPS tracking too to measure players performance.

    His style is horrible on the eye, especially as an opposition team, but it is effective for a bottom half club or club battling relegation. Only has a short shelf life though as eventually his teams grow tired of his methods as they become stale.

    Good effective coach, for a certain level of team, and gets a bit of a bad rep because of the style of football but it works and that's all he cares about. Bolton were a good team to be fair!


  • #8040
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But it's not an either/or.

    Allardyce's ugly football might still see WBA relegated.

    And Brighton, Fulham and others that are a little easier on the eye might stay up.

    They may well go down. I can’t argue with that to be honest.

    But I’m not saying it’s an either/or situation. My point is that whether it looks good or not it’s still a brand of football. It’s the term anti-football I disagree with.


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  • #8041
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,712 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its almost as if some think the only correct way is for limited teams to try and match the more skilled teams and take their beating and enjoy being utterly disgraced :pac:


    Nothing wrong with actually defending and having a structure even if some find it taboo.


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