General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

yourdeadwright · 21-12-2020 10:26PM

Nunu wrote: »

Good comparison but I wouldn’t agree with Houllier being the obvious better manager, as subjective as that is.

Houllier was a better manager for Liverpool but Hodgsons career achievements are broad and stand up to Houlliers.

Eh no nó they do not stand up to Houlier
3 French leauge, 2 French cups, FA Cup, 2 leauge Cup, Uefa Cup, Super Cup, Charity Sheild

Hodgson does not get close to that

21-12-2020 11:07PM

Hodgson is incredibly overrated.

I didn't realise how limited his managerial experience was until he took over Liverpool. Completely out of his depth. A Danish league title is his highlight in a 45 year managerial career.

I thought Solskaar was going down the same route, appears to have turned it around. Arteta in a similar position to Hodgson's Liverpool. Probably a better comparison.

El Gato De Negocios · 21-12-2020 11:19PM

Hodgson has had a huge amount of venom directed at him, he was out of his depth in the Liverpool job but he is in no way worthy of some of the stuff I've seen people say about him. Someone like moyes is still incredibly bitter about his spell at United but Roy just kept on trucking with a smile on his face even when having dogs abuse hurled at him and I don't ever recall seeing him making any excuses or shifting blame for how his time at LFC went. He seems like simply a decent bloke.

gimli2112 · 21-12-2020 11:29PM

There was an alleged spat at Anfield when he came back after being fired and was put out because he couldn't sit where he wanted.

Then there's this gem
"Of course, my track record, if people bothered to study it, would put me in the same category as [Sir Alex] Ferguson enjoys today, but people don't talk about what I've done outside England"

He just constantly reminds me of the wrong guy in the right place when someone is looking for a manager.
Liverpool, England? good lord.

21-12-2020 11:29PM

Seems like a decent bloke alright. Just not a manager I'd like at my club. At a rival club yes.

Definitely the worst manager I've seen at LFC. He was embarrassing tbh. The state of the club at the time didn't help him tbf. The tactics, his interviews, bigging up routine wins over minnows, his whole demeanour . Getting PTSD here thinking about it!! Thank **** for Klopp :pac:

Agent Coulson · 21-12-2020 11:56PM

Hodgson has a 44% win rate his 44 year managerial career so you know exactly what you will get from him.

4 wins in every 10 games.

In a 38 games season he will average 38 points that is just enough to keep your team in the top flight every season.

Bounty Hunter · 22-12-2020 02:21AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hodgson has a 44% win rate his 44 year managerial career so you know exactly what you will get from him.

4 wins in every 10 games.

In a 38 games season he will average 38 points that is just enough to keep your team in the top flight every season.

Am I missing something here?

4 wins every 10 games = 12 points every 10 games

so after 30 games he would have 36 points just from the wins.

4/10 = 40% so lets say it's 3 out of the remaining 8 he wins as thats 37.5%

so another 9 pts totaling 45 points just from wins in a season.

Add in points from draws and he would be looking at a hell of a lot more than 38points per season. Especially seeing as 44% is actually better than 4 wins out of ten so his return would on average be better than the stats above

kowloonkev · 22-12-2020 07:48AM

eigrod wrote: »

Red card. VAR will drive a traditionalist like Allardyce mad.

He was the first manager in the PL who embraced technology to my recollection, and used it back in his Bolton days to analyse, communicate and was one of the pioneers of sports science in the English.

He was an advocate for video refereeing from a long time ago and referred to it in interviews during his time at Blackburn and West Ham.

His style of play may be traditional, but his methods are not. I don't see how you could come to the conclusion that he would be opposed to VAR based on facts. Can you explain?

DM_7 · 22-12-2020 09:04AM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55400922

Newcastle winger Allan Saint-Maximin and captain Jamaal Lascelles are both suffering from the long-term effects of coronavirus and it is not known when they will return.

The pair were among several players to have contracted the virus when an outbreak hit the club earlier this month.

That forced the postponement of Newcastle's game against Aston Villa and the training ground was closed for over a week.

Manager Steve Bruce said on Friday that two of his players had suffered "damaging effects" of the virus and had been "struggling for a while with it".

At that point, the club had not named the players in question.

But after reports emerged on Monday that the players had fallen out with Bruce, the club clarified the reason for their recent absence.

Grayditch · 22-12-2020 09:34AM

That Long Covid sounds horrible.

22-12-2020 09:34AM

DM_7 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55400922

Worrying. Both young fit men, presumably with no underlying condition.

Would be interested to know how they are affected. Is it organ related or fatigue.

Grayditch · 22-12-2020 09:37AM

Being out of breath after walking up some stairs seems to be the deal with my mates who have long covid. Nobody knows the long term effects or damage it will have on the lungs.

22-12-2020 09:44AM

Grayditch wrote: »

Being out of breath after walking up some stairs seems to be the deal with my mates who have long covid. Nobody knows the long term effects or damage it will have on the lungs.

Inflammation of the heart has been always been linked to to viruses. No surprise it's linked to to Covid too.

Heart damage a big concern for athletes obviously.

Lucas Hood · 22-12-2020 12:29PM

https://twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1341359340956094466?s=19

"EXCLUSIVE: I'm told Premier League clubs in Tier 4 areas will now be tested twice a week (every 72 hours) as opposed to once. Rest of league set to follow post-Christmas. Had been once a week. Talks accelerated after new restrictions brought in by PM. More @MailSport shortly."

Didn't know they stopped testing twice a week.

rob316 · 22-12-2020 12:40PM

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Hodgson has had a huge amount of venom directed at him, he was out of his depth in the Liverpool job but he is in no way worthy of some of the stuff I've seen people say about him. Someone like moyes is still incredibly bitter about his spell at United but Roy just kept on trucking with a smile on his face even when having dogs abuse hurled at him and I don't ever recall seeing him making any excuses or shifting blame for how his time at LFC went. He seems like simply a decent bloke.

He couldn't of gotten the Liverpool job at a worse period, the club was on the brink of administration. The recruitment in an already desperate squad was appalling. Still he was miles out his depth, he carried himself totally wrong and couldn't handle the expectation.

He's a good low to midtable manager though and I believe palace would be long relegated without him.

Unearthly · 22-12-2020 02:07PM

rob316 wrote: »

He couldn't of gotten the Liverpool job at a worse period, the club was on the brink of administration. The recruitment in an already desperate squad was appalling. Still he was miles out his depth, he carried himself totally wrong and couldn't handle the expectation.

He's a good low to midtable manager though and I believe palace would be long relegated without him.

I'd agree with this and felt similar with Moyes where they let it slip in interviews that they hadn't got the mindset to manage big clubs with big expectations. Didn't Hodgson say something that Liverpool aren't too big to get relegated

Perfect for Palace though

Markitron · 22-12-2020 02:29PM

Unearthly wrote: »

Didn't Hodgson say something that Liverpool aren't too big to get relegated

He said a lot of stupid things in those few months, and every one of them was as damaging to him as a bad result.

Agent Coulson · 23-12-2020 06:06PM

Liverpool & Everton are the only Premier League teams allowed to have fans in for the weekend fixtures as most of the rest of England moves into Tier 4.

theoneeyedman · 23-12-2020 08:09PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Hodgson has a 44% win rate his 44 year managerial career so you know exactly what you will get from him.

4 wins in every 10 games.

In a 38 games season he will average 38 points that is just enough to keep your team in the top flight every season.

Haven't Palace one of the biggest wage bulle in the EPL, something like #6 or #7 on the list? Should be comfortably top half.

Fitz* · 23-12-2020 10:10PM

Not sure how the currently rules are being utilised with VAR not being used in the competition etc. Or the continuation of cup pans into league games. Could this Cavani incident in the league cup game get a retrospective ban for all English games or just cup games?

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1341857177095593985?s=19

castletownman · 23-12-2020 10:22PM

Fitz* wrote: »

Not sure how the currently rules are being utilised with VAR not being used in the competition etc. Or the continuation of cup pans into league games. Could this Cavani incident in the league cup game get a retrospective ban for all English games or just cup games?

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1341857177095593985?s=19

Where were you yesterday for Fernandinho's incident vs. Arsenal?

Probably a United-led VAR conspiracy sure.

TitianGerm · 23-12-2020 10:23PM

castletownman wrote: »

Where were you yesterday for Fernandinho's incident vs. Arsenal?

Probably a United-led VAR conspiracy sure.

What happened yesterday?

Also there is no VAR in the Carabao Cup so not sure how there could be a VAR conspiracy?

Fitz* · 23-12-2020 10:34PM

castletownman wrote: »

Where were you yesterday for Fernandinho's incident vs. Arsenal?

Probably a United-led VAR conspiracy sure.

Driving home for Christmas

It's not anti VAR or anti Man Utd, the world is not against you don't worry.

Just a question of could a retrospective ban be given? Don't even know what happened with Fernandinho. Not that it has any relevance.

theoneeyedman · 24-12-2020 10:41AM

Fitz* wrote: »

Not sure how the currently rules are being utilised with VAR not being used in the competition etc. Or the continuation of cup pans into league games. Could this Cavani incident in the league cup game get a retrospective ban for all English games or just cup games?

https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1341857177095593985?s=19

A retrospective ban for that??? FFS, a nothing incident, move on! Defender should be embarrassed by his actions, not Cavani

tom1ie · 24-12-2020 10:46AM

Why is var not in the league cup anyway?
Son had a clear goal ruled out for off side which could’ve been costly.
Is there var in the FA cup?

TitianGerm · 24-12-2020 10:52AM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

A retrospective ban for that??? FFS, a nothing incident, move on! Defender should be embarrassed by his actions, not Cavani

You can't put your hands up around a players face or neck area. That's been a red card offence for years now.

Trying to blame the defender for Cavanis actions is seriously passing the buck.

~Rebel~ · 24-12-2020 12:08PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Why is var not in the league cup anyway?
Son had a clear goal ruled out for off side which could’ve been costly.
Is there var in the FA cup?

It's gonna be used in the FA Cup from the 3rd round onwards alright, in the grounds that support it. Going by last year, it will mostly likely also be in the League Cup for the semi final and final.

theoneeyedman · 24-12-2020 11:46PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

You can't put your hands up around a players face or neck area. That's been a red card offence for years now.

Trying to blame the defender for Cavanis actions is seriously passing the buck.

The offence is usually violent conduct, nothing violent there, 6 of 1,half a dozen of the other, the defender made a meal of it.

Anyway happy Xmas.

ongarite · 25-12-2020 11:37AM

Man City players Jesus and Walker test positive for COVID in latest round of testing.

25-12-2020 12:27PM

ongarite wrote: »

Man City players Jesus and Walker test positive for COVID in latest round of testing.

Obviously you wouldn't wish it on anyone.

But given Walker's breach after breach after breach of the lockdown rules, visiting sex workers, his sister and his parents, his defence that anyone giving out was affecting his mental health, and Man City's inability to curb the remarkable and dangerous stupidity of their player, it seems inevitable. It's not like he grew brain cells in recent months.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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