2fm playing censored version of fairytale of New York

Beechwoodspark · 07-12-2020 07:00PM

jdon72 wrote: »

You obviously haven't heard WAP or side to side on the radio before; the explicit words are removed from it. WAP's radio version is pretty much just the instrumental due to words being censored. Why should it be different for Fairytale of New York??

Sorry now I heard the fully explicit version of wap on today fm the other day so you are wrong on that

jdon72 · 07-12-2020 07:01PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now I heard the fully explicit version of wap on today fm the other day so you are wrong on that

Well that shouldn't be played either. Any stations I've heard it on have censored any explicit words in it

Elmo · 07-12-2020 07:35PM

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/1207/1182809-fairytale-of-new-york-debate-censorship-authenticity-shane-macgowan-pogues/

If people don't understand that I was trying to accurately portray the character as authentically as possible", McGowan said in a 2018 statement, "then I am absolutely fine with them bleeping the word, but I don't want to get into an argument"

But what got me about this article was

So if ‘Fairytale of New York’ happens to be part of your Christmas tradition, maybe make room for one or two less words? Try replacing them with something more inclusive. And maybe, while you’re at it, add something new and different to the dinner table, including dishes by your non-Christian, non-Christmas celebrating family, neighbours and friends.

When did food become religious? Christmas Dinner has nothing to do with Christianity, it's just a meal with food.

And of course not once is the following line mentioned

You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed

Possibly the most vile line in the whole song, but sure.

Feisar · 07-12-2020 07:49PM

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

Elmo · 07-12-2020 07:54PM

Feisar wrote: »

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

They should have the intelligence enough to understand that the song has nothing to do with their sexuality and that the characters being played by both singers are in very vulnerable places and that they are lashing out.

It's the biggest time of the year, everyone is under stress.

This is the story of a young immigrant couple with their dreams cat calling each other in a heat argument when nothing is going right. They are trying to be as nasty as they can be from him calling her a drug addicted man eater to her call him a guy who uses everyone.

Do we not teach children to examine prose and poetry and explain their meaning.

Quantum Erasure · 07-12-2020 07:59PM

jdon72 wrote: »

Well that shouldn't be played either. Any stations I've heard it on have censored any explicit words in it

They replaced 'wet-ass pussy' with 'wet and gushy', which is nearly worse...

Edit, also... https://xkcd.com/37/

ford fiesta · 07-12-2020 08:05PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

They replaced 'wet-ass pussy' with 'wet and gushy', which is nearly worse...

The other lyrics of Cardi B, WAP are much worse than that.
I never heard of the song before today:eek:, the lyrics are here:

https://genius.com/Cardi-b-wap-lyrics

colm_mcm · 07-12-2020 08:07PM

marklazarcovic wrote: »

See the little ****** with the earring and the makeup
Yeah buddy that's his own hair
That little ****** got his own jet airplane
That little ****** he's a millionaire

not a peep about dire straits eh

That’s not on the radio version though?

Cole · 07-12-2020 08:10PM

Feisar wrote: »

I had a bit of a think on this. I don't like it being censored but I believe it should be. Imagine being a young person struggling with their sexuality. Maybe getting bullied at school, maybe feeling negative about themselves. All over the Xmas there is this song that uses a word that is a slur on their sexuality. I'd say it'd be quite hurtful.

WAP etc, are crude/lewd but not hurtful.

Imagine being a young person struggling with the increasing complications of growing into adulthood, while hearing WAP (censored or not) blasting out and being sold the message that it's empowering for women...but the nuance of the lyrics in Fairytale of NY is almost hate speech.

ford fiesta · 07-12-2020 08:15PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s not on the radio version though?

There is only one version of Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" and it's played on the radio. The way it should be.

07-12-2020 08:29PM

Cole wrote: »

being sold the message that it's empowering for women

Is it? Is the song not just "be a whore and get what you want" (examples in the song are getting a car, paying tuition fees etc from your pussy). In between ads about how men aren't real men if they pay for sex.

colm_mcm · 07-12-2020 08:47PM

ford fiesta wrote: »

There is only one version of Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" and it's played on the radio. The way it should be.

I def remember a version without that whole verse with ****** in it

Snake Plisken · 07-12-2020 10:50PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

I def remember a version without that whole verse with ****** in it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)

Read about it on the wiki of the song they have performed it replacing the word with "Queenie"

applehunter · 08-12-2020 12:09AM

The station may as well be called Gay FM for all the pandering it does to homosexuals.

radiotrickster · 08-12-2020 01:09AM

applehunter wrote: »

The station may as well be called Gay FM for all the pandering it does to homosexuals.

Seems more like giving respect than pandering to me.

colm_mcm · 08-12-2020 01:10AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing_(song)

Read about it on the wiki of the song they have performed it replacing the word with "Queenie"

The version on their “Best of” album had that bit missing, this was the version I remember played on the radio in the late 90s / 00s

https://youtu.be/Abp03PNcBVY

California Dreamer · 08-12-2020 09:04AM

Let's all listen to 2FM to hear it.....and their ads......and then be outraged.......and then go and buy the product that you heard advertised.

Until such time as advertisers start pulling their ads, nothing will change but sure are all talking about it so it works in their favour.

lertsnim · 08-12-2020 10:25AM

colm_mcm wrote: »

That’s not on the radio version though?

I have absolutely heard that on the radio many times.

California Dreamer wrote: »

Let's all listen to 2FM to hear it.....and their ads......and then be outraged.......and then go and buy the product that you heard advertised.

Until such time as advertisers start pulling their ads, nothing will change but sure are all talking about it so it works in their favour.

Does it work in their favour though if it doesn't entice people to actually tune in?

coylemj · 08-12-2020 01:21PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Ray D'Arcy just played the full version on Radio1.
Proper order.

This would suggest that RTE have adopted the same policy as BBC Radio - the oldies have heard it so often in the past that there's no point in censoring it. Whereas the delicate ears of the youngsters must be protected. Yes, the same youngsters who are exposed to far worse language on social media every minute of the day.

So BBC R1 censors it while BBC R2 does not.

Atlantic Dawn · 23-12-2020 05:45PM

Was listening earlier to 2FM, Jenny Greene played Holiday by Greenday, I thought I was imagining it but no I wasn't the lyrics played uncensored were...

"Bang, bang" goes the broken glass and
Kill all the fags that don't agree
Try to fight fire, setting fire
Is not a way that's meant for me

Slightly more offensive than Fairytale Of New York.

https://genius.com/Green-day-holiday-lyrics

Strumms · 23-12-2020 06:01PM

of course they’d have no problem playing misogynistic tripe by some rap head... take a look at Pharrell Williams for a get go.

“I'll give you something big enough to take your ass too
Swag on, even when you dress casual
I mean it's almost unbearable
Then, honey you're not there when I'm
With my foresight b*tch you pay me by
Nothing like your leg, I ain't too square for you
I'll smack that ass and pull your hair like that
So I jail watch, hand wave for you to salute
But you didn't pick
Not many women get repeated pimpin”

Blurred lines, which got serious radio play and media attention..

But ‘******’...

Fûck if there’d be an outcry over misogynistic, violent, sexist lyrics..... no the rap genre can run with that, of course.... but a song that’s been sung, enjoyed for over 30 years without negative connotations or deliberate offense... ATTACK... load of wokie BS ......

Itssoeasy · 23-12-2020 06:09PM

That’s why I think it’s hypocritical from 2fm. If you have an issue with fairytale of New York then like the example given by Atlantic dawn and green day you should be equally upset because that line is telling people to beat people up who disagree with you. I’m all for not allowing songs on the radio that have lyrics in them which are unacceptable but either be across the board or don’t kick up a fuss over one song. It’s the selective outrage which I think does more harm than good.

the purple tin · 23-12-2020 06:10PM

What about Nicki Minaj. Her lyrics are disgusting and her target market is probably 13 year old kids.

Strumms · 23-12-2020 07:10PM

the purple tin wrote: »

What about Nicki Minaj. Her lyrics are disgusting and her target market is probably 13 year old kids.

She’s isn’t a pale, white, Irish / English dude with a drink problem basically so it’s ok for her.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 23-12-2020 09:37PM

Heard it today... No more 2fm ever. Not that it was ever any good.

L1011 · 23-12-2020 09:39PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Was listening earlier to 2FM, Jenny Greene played Holiday by Greenday, I thought I was imagining it but no I wasn't the lyrics played uncensored were...

Slightly more offensive than Fairytale Of New York.

https://genius.com/Green-day-holiday-lyrics

Context alters this somewhat. Lead singer of Greenday is bisexual (numerous track lyrics about that); and the line is sung from the point of view of a gun-toting pro-Iraq invasion character. Track is off a concept album - concept albums are not just for prog rock and can actually have charting singles.

Context is quite important for Fairytale too. If you're covering the song now, use the later and still official lyrics; but the original stands as the original and there's no point censoring it.

alchemist33 · 23-12-2020 09:44PM

I never realised there were so many boardsies who knew Nicki Minaj and Cardi B lyrics. I'm so out of touch.

Strumms · 23-12-2020 10:08PM

Imagine, you were the prick who one day *woke up, recently, decided that they were offended by a song that probably has only been enjoyed for the last 32 or so years... and put a degree of effort to achieving it getting censored in what’s supposed to be a democracy... because 32 years after it’s release, THEY believe they should decide for everybody, what’s acceptable and what isn’t now.... you don’t like it, sunshine, change the station...simple.

I bet these woke fückers are sitting at home listening and lapping up tonnes of rap music, glorifying violence, sexism, degrading women without a thought, but a white dude who wrote a song in the mid to late ‘80s that used the word ‘faggôt*’ a word with multiple meanings... ONCE in the song...everybody should be deprived of hearing the song at least in its original form... piss poor.

If a child hears it... “ it can be a rude word you shouldn’t use to describe gay people but it means other things too..”. You know, parents, parenting !

goose2005 · 23-12-2020 10:28PM

political correctness gone mad!
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eviltwin · 23-12-2020 10:35PM

I’m old enough to remember the song from its initial release. The offending word was one I remember from my childhood to describe a lazy waster. I assumed that was its meaning here. The alternative meaning doesn’t make sense, this is a straight couple arguing. It makes sense that she would say the word to imply he’s useless rather than gay. It’s only the last few years people have gotten offended on behalf of the gay community. Anyway the song should stay as it was recorded or don’t play it imho.

2fm playing censored version of fairytale of New York

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