The UK COVID variant

ACitizenErased · 22-12-2020 01:07AM

Funny how some pick and choose what reports to believe but when others do it it's 'sugarcoating' etc.

jelem · 22-12-2020 01:09AM

to add
Who brought this strain to attention?
is it only uk ?
i saw\heard that there are\were 9 diff strains SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
when 10th arrives you all being culled like mink
TASK Completed
usa 30 trillion debt gone
western world bankrupt gone
the survivors are to build the pyrmids as slaves to and for the elite.
the last big facebook outage and alleged usa hack was cia\nsa\fbi human count
before the final push
All corruption and theft forgotton
All rights abuses gone and NO rights left for the ordinary survivors.
( moody blues -- miles and miles of pretty files of your magnetic ink "ssd and usb etc not around at that time").

22-12-2020 01:19AM

Danzy wrote: »

Boris Johnson doesn't benefit from this variant. He probably is now damaged politically beyond repair, the man who killed Christmas for South East England. Massive damage to his party as well.

That's before one even starts on the economic damage.

It's real tin hat to think this was planned or that it benefits anyone, anywhere.

I don't think its too tin hat to think Boris may have used this as a convenient excuse to 'cancel Christmas' and bring in level 4, not fully anticipating the non-domestic implications.

Though if this is all actually true, well we're in for a bad time because it surely already here. Thousands have flown over from the UK in the last week.

caveat emptor · 22-12-2020 01:28AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You can be as condescending as you want in your reply doesn't really bother me. By all means continue to quote a technical report which is already being widely dismissed as adding nothing to whats known so far.

Its an opinion forum, your entitled to your view I'm entitled to mine and until theres more evidence im not forming an opinion either way but at the moment if a professor who has been sequencing all the way through and publishing peer reviewed papers on mutations says there isn't enough evidence to answer key questions I'd say he might be a better judge than you or I.

A long way to go yet let's see what happens.

Do you not think it's a bit condescending to think that the UK would cause global panic because Boris got timing of lockdowns wrong? Every country got it wrong. Let's agree to disagree.

SlowBlowin · 22-12-2020 01:29AM

Anyone else think this is odd (my observation):

1. The mutation is said to have been first seen in the UK.

2. The worst infected areas are at the major points of entry into the UK and seem to be spreading into the UK from these points (see previously posted map).

Ten of Swords · 22-12-2020 02:01AM

jelem wrote: »

to add
Who brought this strain to attention?
is it only uk ?
i saw\heard that there are\were 9 diff strains SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
when 10th arrives you all being culled like mink
TASK Completed
usa 30 trillion debt gone
western world bankrupt gone
the survivors are to build the pyrmids as slaves to and for the elite.
the last big facebook outage and alleged usa hack was cia\nsa\fbi human count
before the final push
All corruption and theft forgotton
All rights abuses gone and NO rights left for the ordinary survivors.
( moody blues -- miles and miles of pretty files of your magnetic ink "ssd and usb etc not around at that time").

Yup, you guessed it, you're banned.

Don't post in this thread again when your forum ban is up

PommieBast · 22-12-2020 04:03AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else think this is odd (my observation):

1. The mutation is said to have been first seen in the UK.

2. The worst infected areas are at the major points of entry into the UK and seem to be spreading into the UK from these points (see previously posted map).

Some of the more level-headed newspapers have remarked on the UK sequencing an unusually large number of Covid samples, mostly by Porton Down (a name that will kick off a lot of tinfoil hattery). Guessing it may be the infrastructure and knowledge-base that developed after BSE/CJD.

Lonely expat · 22-12-2020 04:49AM

I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

Lonely expat · 22-12-2020 04:51AM

Also when is the Cabinet meeting today?

wirelessdude01 · 22-12-2020 08:15AM

Lonely expat wrote: »

I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

The ban isn't being lifted tonight.

Lonely expat · 22-12-2020 08:19AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The ban isn't being lifted tonight.

Likely not, but has that been confirmed?

Pete_Cavan · 22-12-2020 08:51AM

Lonely expat wrote: »

I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

Why would you cancel it and potentially be in for charges or whatever? If the flight is cancelled by airline/government restrictions then you will be entitled to full refund.

cmac2009 · 22-12-2020 08:53AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The ban isn't being lifted tonight.

Absolutely no chance, I'd assume it will be extended to the 6th of January, similar to other European countries.

Not in Kansas · 22-12-2020 09:05AM

Lonely expat wrote: »

I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

But surely you would have been alone, self-isolating in Ireland anyway. Unless you were planning to fly in on the 23rd and spend the 25th with family/friends, in which case you are completely irresponsible and exactly the type of person that is going to mess things up for us all.

Yes I know some people that have come home from England, but they've all taken measures, either arriving early and self-isolating here for the full required duration, or taking the financial hit and self-isolating for 5 days, then forking out for a test. Not perfect, but a good best effort. You can't do any of those things flying in on the 23rd, so yeah...don't come! It's very tough I know, but do the right thing!

twinytwo · 22-12-2020 09:17AM

cmac2009 wrote: »

Absolutely no chance, I'd assume it will be extended to the 6th of January, similar to other European countries.

Arlene refuses to close the north so our government banning flights is pointless. Anyone looking to travel to Ireland will just fly there

km991148 · 22-12-2020 09:24AM

twinytwo wrote: »

Arlene refuses to close the north so our government banning flights is pointless. Anyone looking to travel to Ireland will just fly there

Its not pointless, the effectiveness is reduced, but its not pointless.

Fakediamond · 22-12-2020 09:41AM

Lonely expat wrote: »

I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

It’s highly unlikely that the ban will be lifted, no need to cancel, you won’t be allowed to travel anyway and will get a refund. Get to the shops today and buy some food supplies to see you through. Fresh food will run out quickly, fruit/veg etc.

Yuser. · 22-12-2020 09:49AM

Why is this a UK problem only?

Should they have held back on releasing info to prevent the fukkup

km991148 · 22-12-2020 09:53AM

Yuser. wrote: »

Why is this a UK problem only?

Should they have held back on releasing info to prevent the fukkup

What do you mean? Are you asking should the UK have not announced this higher infection rate so that people could travel?

schmoo2k · 22-12-2020 09:53AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find it remarkably uncanny that this panic is coinciding with the breakdown in Brexit talks?

The breakdown in Brexit talks has literarily been going on years now.

I do suspect the French not letting UK trucks in was a little "see what its like" jibe though!

Yuser. · 22-12-2020 10:00AM

km991148 wrote: »

What do you mean? Are you asking should the UK have not announced this higher infection rate so that people could travel?

Should they have phrased it differently

These bans are costing them a lot of money

schmoo2k · 22-12-2020 10:05AM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

It would make you wonder if this new strain is actually just to cover up the appalling job done by Boris & Co. As in; it's still the same variant, they just made that much of a balls of things

This Tweet is worth re-posting (apologies that it's from RTE)

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1341091171083444224?s=19

That aside, I've a question:

How many more times is Covid now estimated to be infectious compared to the Flu? This is separate from IFR or CFR, but the actual infectious rate of it now?

Last I read, the main problem with Covid was how many more times infectious it was compared to the Flu, i.e. very, very infectious by comparison

If this new variant is 70% more infectious compared to where we were last week, it would be interesting to work out where we stand on it now versus the infectious rate of Flu

Estimated numbers:

Flu has R value of 1.3
Covid has a R value of between 2 and 3
Therefor new strain could have R value of between 3.4 and 5.1

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2020 10:08AM

It is also a lovely excuse for traffic tails in and out of Dover and or Cherbourg / Calais.

This was always going to be an issue if Brexit talks collapsed and I really find the fact that there is all of a sudden a " new strain" of Covid virus in Kent of all places, jaw droppingly obvious.

British Home Secretary actually in Sky News studio this morning, she must have said the word virus 20 times a minute. No word of Brexit, it is all virus , virus , virus.

PokeHerKing · 22-12-2020 10:08AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So you must think the UK is mutilating itself then, right? For Johnson's sake.

Not only inducing more chaos at home but an increasingly forlorn and desperate looking country being isolated systematically from it's main trading partners and the effect that has on vital supply chains.

Yeah right...

They love a bit of self-harming, as we've seen with Brexit...

You think its more likely that Bojo just decided to be honest in the interest of the public?? Ballix, they opened up too soon. He was told things were getting completely out of hand and he'd need to lockdown again. He was also told we're seeing a new variant and he thought bingo bango, thats it!

He miscalculated the fact that while using the new variant as his scapegoat to the British public that it may also have ramifications outside his borders. But nothing new in Bojo/Tories miscalculating international responses.

bennyl10 · 22-12-2020 10:12AM

Lonely expat wrote: »

Likely not, but has that been confirmed?

all but.

There isn't a hope of it being lifted

Yuser. · 22-12-2020 10:13AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It is also a lovely excuse for traffic tails in and out of Dover and or Cherbourg / Calais.

This was always going to be an issue if Brexit talks collapsed and I really find the fact that there is all of a sudden a " new strain" of Covid virus in Kent of all places, jaw droppingly obvious.

British Home Secretary actually in Sky News studio this morning, she must have said the word virus 20 times a minute. No word of Brexit, it is all virus , virus , virus.

It's all very strange and coincidental

#mayhembeforebrexit

SlowBlowin · 22-12-2020 10:15AM

The family from my village who left for London have just arrived (he sent me an email). They drove from Kerry to London Sunday/yesterday, crossing on the ferry, he said at no point was he asked about his trip or indeed saw any form of boarder control on his trip.

Lonely expat · 22-12-2020 10:16AM

Not in Kansas wrote: »

But surely you would have been alone, self-isolating in Ireland anyway. Unless you were planning to fly in on the 23rd and spend the 25th with family/friends, in which case you are completely irresponsible and exactly the type of person that is going to mess things up for us all.

Yes I know some people that have come home from England, but they've all taken measures, either arriving early and self-isolating here for the full required duration, or taking the financial hit and self-isolating for 5 days, then forking out for a test. Not perfect, but a good best effort. You can't do any of those things flying in on the 23rd, so yeah...don't come! It's very tough I know, but do the right thing!

I came to Boards asking for advice as I was confused. It is now clear to me that I ought stay in the UK which of course I am going to do. No need to call me names, and enjoy your cup of self-righteousness with your Christmas dinner at home with family.

alchemist33 · 22-12-2020 10:21AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

The breakdown in Brexit talks has literarily been going on years now.

I do suspect the French not letting UK trucks in was a little "see what its like" jibe though!

As someone on Reddit said, "Enjoy your free Brexit trial. Your account will autorenew in 2 weeks."

22-12-2020 10:24AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The family from my village who left for London have just arrived (he sent me an email). They drove from Kerry to London Sunday/yesterday, crossing on the ferry, he said at no point was he asked about his trip or indeed saw any form of boarder control on his trip.

I’ve come to London also, to see out the rest of lockdown. Drove Sunday night and no border controls or roadblocks / police presence anywhere. And London seems much like normal. Non essential retail and pubs are closed (but the definition of ‘essential’ is obviously broader). But everywhere is doing takeout, plenty are out and about working, and traffic volumes are not far off normal. Government is saying that there won’t be roadblocks this time around....just an advisory police presence

Tbh it doesn’t really feel like much of a lockdown to me.

The UK COVID variant

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