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The UK COVID variant

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Funny how some pick and choose what reports to believe but when others do it it's 'sugarcoating' etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭jelem


    to add
    Who brought this strain to attention?
    is it only uk ?
    i saw\heard that there are\were 9 diff strains SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    when 10th arrives you all being culled like mink
    TASK Completed
    usa 30 trillion debt gone
    western world bankrupt gone
    the survivors are to build the pyrmids as slaves to and for the elite.
    the last big facebook outage and alleged usa hack was cia\nsa\fbi human count
    before the final push
    All corruption and theft forgotton
    All rights abuses gone and NO rights left for the ordinary survivors.
    ( moody blues -- miles and miles of pretty files of your magnetic ink "ssd and usb etc not around at that time").


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Danzy wrote: »
    Boris Johnson doesn't benefit from this variant. He probably is now damaged politically beyond repair, the man who killed Christmas for South East England. Massive damage to his party as well.

    That's before one even starts on the economic damage.

    It's real tin hat to think this was planned or that it benefits anyone, anywhere.

    I don't think its too tin hat to think Boris may have used this as a convenient excuse to 'cancel Christmas' and bring in level 4, not fully anticipating the non-domestic implications.

    Though if this is all actually true, well we're in for a bad time because it surely already here. Thousands have flown over from the UK in the last week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    You can be as condescending as you want in your reply doesn't really bother me. By all means continue to quote a technical report which is already being widely dismissed as adding nothing to whats known so far.


    Its an opinion forum, your entitled to your view I'm entitled to mine and until theres more evidence im not forming an opinion either way but at the moment if a professor who has been sequencing all the way through and publishing peer reviewed papers on mutations says there isn't enough evidence to answer key questions I'd say he might be a better judge than you or I.

    A long way to go yet let's see what happens.


    Do you not think it's a bit condescending to think that the UK would cause global panic because Boris got timing of lockdowns wrong? Every country got it wrong. Let's agree to disagree.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Anyone else think this is odd (my observation):

    1. The mutation is said to have been first seen in the UK.

    2. The worst infected areas are at the major points of entry into the UK and seem to be spreading into the UK from these points (see previously posted map).


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,491 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    jelem wrote: »
    to add
    Who brought this strain to attention?
    is it only uk ?
    i saw\heard that there are\were 9 diff strains SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    when 10th arrives you all being culled like mink
    TASK Completed
    usa 30 trillion debt gone
    western world bankrupt gone
    the survivors are to build the pyrmids as slaves to and for the elite.
    the last big facebook outage and alleged usa hack was cia\nsa\fbi human count
    before the final push
    All corruption and theft forgotton
    All rights abuses gone and NO rights left for the ordinary survivors.
    ( moody blues -- miles and miles of pretty files of your magnetic ink "ssd and usb etc not around at that time").

    Yup, you guessed it, you're banned.

    Don't post in this thread again when your forum ban is up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    Anyone else think this is odd (my observation):

    1. The mutation is said to have been first seen in the UK.

    2. The worst infected areas are at the major points of entry into the UK and seem to be spreading into the UK from these points (see previously posted map).
    Some of the more level-headed newspapers have remarked on the UK sequencing an unusually large number of Covid samples, mostly by Porton Down (a name that will kick off a lot of tinfoil hattery). Guessing it may be the infrastructure and knowledge-base that developed after BSE/CJD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Lonely expat


    I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

    However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

    Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Lonely expat


    Also when is the Cabinet meeting today?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,462 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

    However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

    Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

    The ban isn't being lifted tonight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Lonely expat


    The ban isn't being lifted tonight.

    Likely not, but has that been confirmed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

    However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

    Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

    Why would you cancel it and potentially be in for charges or whatever? If the flight is cancelled by airline/government restrictions then you will be entitled to full refund.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    The ban isn't being lifted tonight.

    Absolutely no chance, I'd assume it will be extended to the 6th of January, similar to other European countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Not in Kansas


    I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

    However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

    Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™

    But surely you would have been alone, self-isolating in Ireland anyway. Unless you were planning to fly in on the 23rd and spend the 25th with family/friends, in which case you are completely irresponsible and exactly the type of person that is going to mess things up for us all.

    Yes I know some people that have come home from England, but they've all taken measures, either arriving early and self-isolating here for the full required duration, or taking the financial hit and self-isolating for 5 days, then forking out for a test. Not perfect, but a good best effort. You can't do any of those things flying in on the 23rd, so yeah...don't come! It's very tough I know, but do the right thing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,587 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    cmac2009 wrote: »
    Absolutely no chance, I'd assume it will be extended to the 6th of January, similar to other European countries.

    Arlene refuses to close the north so our government banning flights is pointless. Anyone looking to travel to Ireland will just fly there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    twinytwo wrote: »
    Arlene refuses to close the north so our government banning flights is pointless. Anyone looking to travel to Ireland will just fly there

    Its not pointless, the effectiveness is reduced, but its not pointless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    I have a flight booked from the UK (not South East) to Dublin for the morning of Wednesday 23rd, just after the 48 hour ban, which I haven't yet cancelled.

    However the Ryanair statement seems to imply that that they are only permitting people to fly for business purposes?

    Do ye think I should cancel? I know it would be more socially responsible, regardless of whether it's allowed. The alternative is spending Christmas alone in my flat ðŸ™
    It’s highly unlikely that the ban will be lifted, no need to cancel, you won’t be allowed to travel anyway and will get a refund. Get to the shops today and buy some food supplies to see you through. Fresh food will run out quickly, fruit/veg etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    Why is this a UK problem only?

    Should they have held back on releasing info to prevent the fukkup


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Yuser. wrote: »
    Why is this a UK problem only?

    Should they have held back on releasing info to prevent the fukkup

    What do you mean? Are you asking should the UK have not announced this higher infection rate so that people could travel?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I find it remarkably uncanny that this panic is coinciding with the breakdown in Brexit talks?

    The breakdown in Brexit talks has literarily been going on years now.

    I do suspect the French not letting UK trucks in was a little "see what its like" jibe though!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    km991148 wrote: »
    What do you mean? Are you asking should the UK have not announced this higher infection rate so that people could travel?

    Should they have phrased it differently

    These bans are costing them a lot of money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    It would make you wonder if this new strain is actually just to cover up the appalling job done by Boris & Co. As in; it's still the same variant, they just made that much of a balls of things

    This Tweet is worth re-posting (apologies that it's from RTE)

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1341091171083444224?s=19

    That aside, I've a question:

    How many more times is Covid now estimated to be infectious compared to the Flu? This is separate from IFR or CFR, but the actual infectious rate of it now?

    Last I read, the main problem with Covid was how many more times infectious it was compared to the Flu, i.e. very, very infectious by comparison

    If this new variant is 70% more infectious compared to where we were last week, it would be interesting to work out where we stand on it now versus the infectious rate of Flu

    Estimated numbers:

    Flu has R value of 1.3
    Covid has a R value of between 2 and 3
    Therefor new strain could have R value of between 3.4 and 5.1


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    It is also a lovely excuse for traffic tails in and out of Dover and or Cherbourg / Calais.

    This was always going to be an issue if Brexit talks collapsed and I really find the fact that there is all of a sudden a " new strain" of Covid virus in Kent of all places, jaw droppingly obvious.

    British Home Secretary actually in Sky News studio this morning, she must have said the word virus 20 times a minute. No word of Brexit, it is all virus , virus , virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,943 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    So you must think the UK is mutilating itself then, right? For Johnson's sake.

    Not only inducing more chaos at home but an increasingly forlorn and desperate looking country being isolated systematically from it's main trading partners and the effect that has on vital supply chains.

    Yeah right...

    They love a bit of self-harming, as we've seen with Brexit...

    You think its more likely that Bojo just decided to be honest in the interest of the public?? Ballix, they opened up too soon. He was told things were getting completely out of hand and he'd need to lockdown again. He was also told we're seeing a new variant and he thought bingo bango, thats it!

    He miscalculated the fact that while using the new variant as his scapegoat to the British public that it may also have ramifications outside his borders. But nothing new in Bojo/Tories miscalculating international responses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Likely not, but has that been confirmed?

    all but.

    There isn't a hope of it being lifted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭Yuser.


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    It is also a lovely excuse for traffic tails in and out of Dover and or Cherbourg / Calais.

    This was always going to be an issue if Brexit talks collapsed and I really find the fact that there is all of a sudden a " new strain" of Covid virus in Kent of all places, jaw droppingly obvious.

    British Home Secretary actually in Sky News studio this morning, she must have said the word virus 20 times a minute. No word of Brexit, it is all virus , virus , virus.

    It's all very strange and coincidental

    #mayhembeforebrexit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    The family from my village who left for London have just arrived (he sent me an email). They drove from Kerry to London Sunday/yesterday, crossing on the ferry, he said at no point was he asked about his trip or indeed saw any form of boarder control on his trip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Lonely expat


    But surely you would have been alone, self-isolating in Ireland anyway. Unless you were planning to fly in on the 23rd and spend the 25th with family/friends, in which case you are completely irresponsible and exactly the type of person that is going to mess things up for us all.

    Yes I know some people that have come home from England, but they've all taken measures, either arriving early and self-isolating here for the full required duration, or taking the financial hit and self-isolating for 5 days, then forking out for a test. Not perfect, but a good best effort. You can't do any of those things flying in on the 23rd, so yeah...don't come! It's very tough I know, but do the right thing!

    I came to Boards asking for advice as I was confused. It is now clear to me that I ought stay in the UK which of course I am going to do. No need to call me names, and enjoy your cup of self-righteousness with your Christmas dinner at home with family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    The breakdown in Brexit talks has literarily been going on years now.

    I do suspect the French not letting UK trucks in was a little "see what its like" jibe though!

    As someone on Reddit said, "Enjoy your free Brexit trial. Your account will autorenew in 2 weeks."


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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    The family from my village who left for London have just arrived (he sent me an email). They drove from Kerry to London Sunday/yesterday, crossing on the ferry, he said at no point was he asked about his trip or indeed saw any form of boarder control on his trip.

    I’ve come to London also, to see out the rest of lockdown. Drove Sunday night and no border controls or roadblocks / police presence anywhere. And London seems much like normal. Non essential retail and pubs are closed (but the definition of ‘essential’ is obviously broader). But everywhere is doing takeout, plenty are out and about working, and traffic volumes are not far off normal. Government is saying that there won’t be roadblocks this time around....just an advisory police presence

    Tbh it doesn’t really feel like much of a lockdown to me.


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