The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

The population INCREASE in Dublin since 1990 EXCEEDS the TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath in 2020.

Dublin are doing what they should be doing. They are winning what they should be winning. That’s no reason not to enjoy it but spare me the nonsense about special humble humans or that Jim Gavin was some kind of genius.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If Jim Gavin wants the respect of gaa ppl (outside dublin) let him go and manage any mid sized county and see how he gets on....but he won’t....

Spare us the “Jim Gavin is a football genius” lines til he wins the all ireland with a Donegal, a Meath, or a Cork even !!

And what has a past manager got to do with the present discussion?

Hammer Archer wrote: »

With all due respect, have you ever considered where the majority of Meath and Kildare's population increases over the last 20 years or so have come from? And why these extra people may not really want to play for the county they live in?

For example, Darren Daly won four All-Irelands and plays with Fingal Ravens, even though he lives in Ratoath in Meath. There are literally thousands of families in Meath and Kildare who are Dubs through and through. And while some may play with their local clubs, very few of them would really consider putting on the Meath or Kildare jersey.

Gee if only some county had a template of increasing participation in their teams in the face of competition from other sporting opportunities........

Maybe they’d even offer to share that template.......

Speakerboxx wrote: »

The two women Dublin footballers
Summersaulting and showing off in front of the cameras after the final whistle are a bunch of attention seekers. I could call them worse.

Wow, they show some passion at winning an AI, Cluxton is accused of being boring when he doesn't show passion. There is no winning with some people. What would you call them by the way?

***Warning*** This is another post that some will find uncomfortable.

It's been touched on already but the economic situation also adds to it. I'm sure people are aware of the cost of club membership in Dublin? Compared with clubs all around the country, the fees are huge. Obviously, this assists clubs in a huge way in many areas but we'll just focus on games development.

As many will know, the Dublin only games development grant involved clubs paying for half of the full time coaches wages. So when we look at figures allocated to Dublin down through the years, if you double it, then you will see what the actual spend on coaches was per year. The fund averages around 1.5 million per year so 3 million on average was spent on coaches every year.

Of course, as noted by members of the Dublin county board, the clubs decided what work these coaches undertook as they were hired by the club effectively. So coaching teams up to minor, coaching other coaches, recruiting players from local schools etc.

Spending 3 million on coaches every year is not possible in other counties. Not even remotely. With the membership fees alluded to earlier, some clubs in Dublin now have 2 full time coaches. This shows that economic factors are an extra advantage Dublin have which adds to the lengthy list.

This also means that the 4 counties in Dublin will have this advantage. Added to the sizable population each county will have and the fact that some clubs have a set up with greater finance than many counties. Players at the clubs will have better access to competing at inter county level as well. That's something that should be welcomed.

kilns wrote: »

Wtf? Possibly one if the worst posts on this thread and that's saying something

Anyways....

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

The thing is that Dublin are streets ahead of others off the pitch which as well as on the pitch. They have a very professional administrative side with a number of full time employees (CEO, performance, marketing etc). They have a lot of full time coaches throughout the county.

If we are heading that way then this should become the standard and other counties need to implement something similar, as otherwise you are looking at a professional organisation versus amateur organisations for the foreseeable. This is impossible for all bar a couple of counties though unless the gaa are willing to help with the resources. I think Kildare get around 100k a year from Brady's, whereas last year Dublin had a surplus after there spending of 1.3m (this is not inclusive of the gaa development funding), so not sure how other counties are supposed to match that. Maybe kerry could, but still unlikely. It's bizarre that the GAA are subsidising coaches in wealthy clubs, in the wealthiest county when weaker counties are regressing and the gap keeps widening

The other option is to ban all full time employees at a county level and ensure the organisation is truly amateur, but I'm not sure that would be good for the game either and probably impossible to enforce.

Kerry can and generally do match dublin commercial funding as detailed in this thread. I believe 2019 may be exceptional in this based on one posters figures but in general they have a superb corporate machine there, and they’re not exactly poor even allowing for their relatively fallow few years. It’s also seems a bit fuzzy for most counties what is listed as fundraising versus commercial money.

On the Kildare point I don’t disagree there’s a big gap. Dublin were for many years in a more comparable trlerritory, until they brought in a team of people who worked to maximise commercial revenue - this was before dublins success made them the biggest name to be with. I really struggle to see why other counties can’t follow that approach to maximise the deals they have, even if it meant for example some counties sharing a sponsor and negotiating on that basis. Instead the story goes that when dublin got a decent deal one senior figure in Leinster immediately mooted pooling revenues- basically looking for their cut rather than getting off their ass and trying to improve their own lot

Hammer Archer wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand you. Meath and Kildare have had a huge increase in people from Dublin in their counties over the last 20 years. That has nothing to do with what you've said above.

And the Dublin template was to receive and invest (exceptionally well) huge amounts of funding directly from the GAA that was denied to other counties.

The dublin template was to invest in games development to curtail the drain of young talent to other sports

It wasn’t an overnight thing. It was intended to, and did take years to bear results. It was about getting a generation involved in and staying in the clubs in their county amongst other things .

Thats also the only model that will address what you’ve described- deal with the children who are growing up there rather than the parents who moved to these areas and win their hearts and minds. It won’t be overnight any more than the work dublin did was overnight.

Unfortunately a lot of posters seem to want a solution that sees Kildare or Meath competitive next year or the year after. The only way to do that in Leinster is to hobble dublin. It will also mean that both those counties remain relatively ****e

ooter wrote: »

It's gas the way people focus solely on how the Dublin senior footballers are doing in Leinster and the all Ireland and never mention how any of the underage teams or senior club sides are doing but when the Dublin senior hurlers are used as a comparison to the footballers everything Dublin hurling have won in underage and what senior clubs have won is trotted out.

Ooter - Is there a problem or not?

Do you agree/ disagree that a county winning 6 all irelands in a row is a sign of a denuded competition?

If you say no - at this point, when would you consider there to be a problem with the competition - 7? 8? 10 in a row or more - or would you ever consider there to be a problem?

Please dont trot out the Kerry/ KK thing - as everyone knows, they were based on exceptional crops of players - that came to their natural end. With Dublin, there is no sign of that.

Genuine question..

ClanofLams wrote: »

Just under one million people watched final on RTÉ. Down from over 1.1 million in last two years and 1.3 million in 2017. Different time of year than normal but looks like more evidence of growing problem for GAA, domination inevitably leads to declining interest.

You would have thought there would be more looking at it considering everything that’s going on!!

tritium wrote: »

The dublin template was to invest in games development to curtail the drain of young talent to other sports

It wasn’t an overnight thing. It was intended to, and did take years to bear results. It was about getting a generation involved in and staying in the clubs in their county amongst other things .

Thats also the only model that will address what you’ve described- deal with the children who are growing up there rather than the parents who moved to these areas and win their hearts and minds. It won’t be overnight any more than the work dublin did was overnight.

Unfortunately a lot of posters seem to want a solution that sees Kildare or Meath competitive next year or the year after. The only way to do that in Leinster is to hobble dublin. It will also mean that both those counties remain relatively ****e

The only shoot of hope here is that Kildare and to a lesser extent Meath, are winning at underage again. Kildare have been in 6 of the last 7 Leinster minor finals, winning 4 of those.

Leinster minor teams have a remarkably poor return at minor football in recent years. The last team to win an AI was Dublin in 2011, and before that it was Laois in 1997!

the kelt wrote: »

You would have thought there would be more looking at it considering everything that’s going on!!

Not when its a foregone conclusion. I switched off with ten minutes to go and that's rare for me. Mind you Limerick in the hurling were equally robotic and boring. We're going the way of rugby.

ooter wrote: »

I think if this year had been a normal year there's a good chance Kerry would've caught them.
Obviously 7 in a row is a possibility now but I honestly can't see 8, 9 or 10.

They couldn't beat them last year with an extra man for most of the game. No chance Kerry would have won.

JeffKenna wrote: »

They couldn't beat them last year with an extra man for most of the game. No chance Kerry would have won.

We'll never know, just my opinion.

Deathknell wrote: »

Ooter - Is there a problem or not?

Do you agree/ disagree that a county winning 6 all irelands in a row is a sign of a denuded competition?

If you say no - at this point, when would you consider there to be a problem with the competition - 7? 8? 10 in a row or more - or would you ever consider there to be a problem?

Please dont trot out the Kerry/ KK thing - as everyone knows, they were based on exceptional crops of players - that came to their natural end. With Dublin, there is no sign of that.

Genuine question..

Your assertion implies these are not an exceptional crop of players.


Which is pretty astounding tbh.