Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

Eric Cartman · 20-12-2020 09:40AM

Birneybau wrote: »

Do you think Gemma or Grand Torino's crew have jobs? They don't have the wherewithal to refer to themselves as activists but by jaysus, they're some motley crew, guarantee you 90% receiving disability or some other form of social welfare.

2 can play this game.

But if they weren't white, I'm sure you'd have something to say Eric, right?

No they dont , theyre all wasters probably feeding off my taxes. The colour of their skin has nothing to do with it.

Im not a fan of gemma or grand torino, this is not the ‘gotcha’ moment you wanted it to be

NIMAN · 20-12-2020 09:44AM

machiavellianme wrote: »

Hardly healthier if you're relying on artificial means in the body?
Though I'm not complaining, hopefully I see at least 2 centuries.

You could always put on the the old tin foil hat and say that it suits Pharma that we live longer as it's more years of buying their products, especially in old age when you need them most...

Well no-one is forcing anyone to use modern medicine or treatments.

If someone thinks Big Pharma are pure evil, then they can just live their lives until nature takes them.

Birneybau · 20-12-2020 11:29AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No they dont , theyre all wasters probably feeding off my taxes. The colour of their skin has nothing to do with it.

Im not a fan of gemma or grand torino, this is not the ‘gotcha’ moment you wanted it to be

Clearly, I'm equating the ratlickers with your 'activists', not accusing you of being a Gembot.

doublejobbing 2 · 20-12-2020 10:29PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

It says nothing. Because someone says they are an activist doesnt mean they are unemployed. All I see here is your assumptions and judgement.

OK. Think about it like this.

Do you think most people who say, for example, that people in DP should just be given a house, do you think most of these people work hard?

Of course they don't.

Because generally speaking if you work your bollix off to buy a house you won't think people who don't work their bollix off deserve one to be bought for them out of your taxes.

doublejobbing 2 · 20-12-2020 10:30PM

Birneybau wrote: »

Do you think Gemma or Grand Torino's crew have jobs? They don't have the wherewithal to refer to themselves as activists but by jaysus, they're some motley crew, guarantee you 90% receiving disability or some other form of social welfare.

Oh I agree entirely.

But far left loons are way, way more common than far right loons in this country.

Their protests frequently get four figures.

I'd be surprised if there are 1000 hardcore Gemma fans in the whole country.

20-12-2020 10:33PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think about it like this.

Do you think most people who say, for example, that people in DP should just be given a house, do you think most of these people work hard?

Of course they don't.

Because generally speaking if you work your bollix off to buy a house you won't think people who don't work their bollix off deserve one to be bought for them out of your taxes.

I can only speak from my perspective. I'm looking at purchasing my first house in the new year. I work hard, I've never been out of work since college. However my stance on Direct Provision has never changed, I don't view keeping people in such conditions as humane or ethical. I'm a desperate layabout because of that? Weird...

doublejobbing 2 · 20-12-2020 11:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I can only speak from my perspective. I'm looking at purchasing my first house in the new year. I work hard, I've never been out of work since college. However my stance on Direct Provision has never changed, I don't view keeping people in such conditions as humane or ethical. I'm a desperate layabout because of that? Weird...

See that's funny. Nobody has ever actually specified exactly what is so inhumane about DP centres. Not once.

Why do these people deserve their own flat or house off the state? What have they done to deserve preferential treatment?

Annasopra · 20-12-2020 11:13PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think about it like this.

Do you think most people who say, for example, that people in DP should just be given a house, do you think most of these people work hard?

Of course they don't.

Because generally speaking if you work your bollix off to buy a house you won't think people who don't work their bollix off deserve one to be bought for them out of your taxes.

I know lots of hard working who believe in abolishing DP and replacing it with a just humane system.

20-12-2020 11:24PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

See that's funny. Nobody has ever actually specified exactly what is so inhumane about DP centres. Not once.

Why do these people deserve their own flat or house off the state? What have they done to deserve preferential treatment?

Lack of privacy, can't cook your own meals, children sharing bedrooms with adults they're not even related to which would not be viewed as acceptable ordinarily. So basically we're throwing both children and adults in an unsafe situation that is rife for exploitation.

Penfailed · 20-12-2020 11:47PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think about it like this.

Do you think most people who say, for example, that people in DP should just be given a house, do you think most of these people work hard?

Of course they don't.

Because generally speaking if you work your bollix off to buy a house you won't think people who don't work their bollix off deserve one to be bought for them out of your taxes.

Nope. Don't tar me with that brush.

21-12-2020 12:26AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

OK. Think about it like this.

Do you think most people who say, for example, that people in DP should just be given a house, do you think most of these people work hard?

Of course they don't.

Because generally speaking if you work your bollix off to buy a house you won't think people who don't work their bollix off deserve one to be bought for them out of your taxes.

Nope, work hard and don't have an issue with my taxes being spent on social housing.

Also in relation to activists being unemployed, the likes of gems and tan are and maybe some of their followers are, some do work going by their posts on here.
I know and work with plenty of people who would described as activists by some. Be it in the field of hacking, where some of them are quite happy to develop tools that can take a person's online activities and forward them to the person's personal and business contacts, to people who work with various types of charities in their spare time. All of work full time and would be third level educated in most cases

PhoneMain · 21-12-2020 09:24AM

machiavellianme wrote: »

Hardly healthier if you're relying on artificial means in the body?
Though I'm not complaining, hopefully I see at least 2 centuries.

You could always put on the the old tin foil hat and say that it suits Pharma that we live longer as it's more years of buying their products, especially in old age when you need them most...

Not unhealthier anyway. We have treatments now for conditions that would have vastly increased the chances of death at a younger age. For example, we have medicines for high blood pressure. High blood pressure increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes, keep that in normal range and you have less risk of having a heart attack and stroke. We could also try manage that with diet and lifestyle (which is in all guidelines for management of this) but when this fails or a person doesnt implement it properly, we have medications to help.

A consultant paediatrician once said to me that the 3 biggest achievements that humans have achieved in medicine are:
1) Antibiotics - for obvious reasons, we no longer are dying of routine bacterial infections that killed our ancestors at all ages and we can do life saving operations where we open up the body. Bacterial resistance is of course an issue but thats another topic
2) Insulin - This was a death sentence for Type 1 diabetics (usually in childhood or teenage years) up until it was synthesised 100 years ago, now the life expectancy is in the 70s.
3) Vaccinations - A vast reduction in childhood illnesses over the years. For example, I've never seen measles.

See what all of these are made by? Big Pharma. And yes they profit off it, but they have to have an incentive for producing these things. i doubt there's many people reading this thread who go to work and not expect to get paid!

The Nal · 21-12-2020 09:33AM

machiavellianme wrote: »

Hardly healthier if you're relying on artificial means in the body?
Though I'm not complaining, hopefully I see at least 2 centuries.

You could always put on the the old tin foil hat and say that it suits Pharma that we live longer as it's more years of buying their products, especially in old age when you need them most...

The conspiracy according to Gems et al remember was that Covid was created to kill of the elderly to save on pension pay outs. This was quickly proven as bullsh1t so then they moved on to the army rolling in and all of us under martial law. And then when that didn't happen it was claimed that was just a practice run for wave 2, and then when it didn't happen in wave 2........

Annasopra · 21-12-2020 09:38AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

See that's funny. Nobody has ever actually specified exactly what is so inhumane about DP centres. Not once.

Not once

https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/direct-provision-inhuman-degrading-and-increasingly-unfit-purpose

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20272303.html

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/legal-case-to-expose-the-degrading-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-30319663.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/i-live-in-direct-provision-it-s-a-devastating-system-and-it-has-thrown-away-millions-1.4291670?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/concern-raised-for-sucidal-asylum-seekers-in-direct-provision-hostels-1.1789796?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mother-in-direct-provision-denied-food-at-night-for-sick-child-1.3684032?mode=amp

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/lockdown-is-hitting-children-in-direct-provision-particularly-hard-22817201

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-life-in-direct-provision-limbo-is-cruel-and-shameful-1.4072147?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-the-controversial-system-turns-20-1.4081833?mode=amp

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/ourview/arid-31000865.html

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/direct-provision-inhumane

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/irelands-strange-cruel-system-for-asylum-seekers

https://reliefweb.int/report/ireland/euro-med-monitor-seriously-concerned-about-inhumane-conditions-irish-direct-provision

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/asylum-seekers-ireland-intimidated-inhumane-direct-provision

https://www.thejournal.ie/student-in-direct-provision-says-its-worse-than-jail-4954293-Jan2020/

https://extra.ie/2020/07/29/news/irish-news/direct-provision-hunger-strike-cahersiveen

doublejobbing 2 · 21-12-2020 10:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

children sharing bedrooms with adults they're not even related to n.

Imagine actually believing this is commonplace. Let me guess, you're one of these people who blindly believes they get a single potato and some sauce for dinner because an anonymous Twitter photo claimed they did.

These people are treated like royalty. If they don't like it they should have went to a country that treats them even more royally like Sweden or Germany.

doublejobbing 2 · 21-12-2020 10:21AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Not once

https://www.socialjustice.ie/content/policy-issues/direct-provision-inhuman-degrading-and-increasingly-unfit-purpose

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20272303.html

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/legal-case-to-expose-the-degrading-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-30319663.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/i-live-in-direct-provision-it-s-a-devastating-system-and-it-has-thrown-away-millions-1.4291670?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/concern-raised-for-sucidal-asylum-seekers-in-direct-provision-hostels-1.1789796?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mother-in-direct-provision-denied-food-at-night-for-sick-child-1.3684032?mode=amp

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/lockdown-is-hitting-children-in-direct-provision-particularly-hard-22817201

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-life-in-direct-provision-limbo-is-cruel-and-shameful-1.4072147?mode=amp

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/direct-provision-the-controversial-system-turns-20-1.4081833?mode=amp

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/ourview/arid-31000865.html

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-the-pat-kenny-show/direct-provision-inhumane

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/irelands-strange-cruel-system-for-asylum-seekers

https://reliefweb.int/report/ireland/euro-med-monitor-seriously-concerned-about-inhumane-conditions-irish-direct-provision

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/10/asylum-seekers-ireland-intimidated-inhumane-direct-provision

https://www.thejournal.ie/student-in-direct-provision-says-its-worse-than-jail-4954293-Jan2020/

https://extra.ie/2020/07/29/news/irish-news/direct-provision-hunger-strike-cahersiveen

I stopped reading after the first link defined asylum seekers as being people suspected of having a well founded fear of persecution, then the next paragraph told us they are from Albania and Georgia :pac:

For perspective of how daft this is it's worth remembering that in 2002 we were getting asylum seekers from the likes of Poland and Latvia.

Annasopra · 21-12-2020 10:24AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

I stopped reading after.

You dont seem to like your fake news assertions proved wrong.

21-12-2020 10:29AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Imagine actually believing this is commonplace. Let me guess, you're one of these people who blindly believes they get a single potato and some sauce for dinner because an anonymous Twitter photo claimed they did.

These people are treated like royalty. If they don't like it they should have went to a country that treats them even more royally like Sweden or Germany.

Sharing bedrooms with non related people is pretty common... You can go on a personal attack etc but the issues with direct provision are well documented and they most definitely are not treated like royalty.

Anyway, your earlier point was that people in full time employment are fine with direct provision conditions etc. That's clearly untrue. It's more a case that you're trying to ignore the issues with it...

TaurenDruid · 21-12-2020 10:55AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

For perspective of how daft this is it's worth remembering that in 2002 we were getting asylum seekers from the likes of Poland and Latvia.

Were we? If we were, that's 18 years ago. A lot has changed since then. Poland and Latvia joining the EU in 2004 and 2003, respectively, for a start.

Are our immigration and asylum systems perfect? Jaysus, no, far from it. There's certainly room to tighten up some of the rules. There's also certainly room to treat people like human beings, and end DP. Does that mean "giving someone a house"? No, and that's not what anyone is looking for.

(FWIW, full time worker here, and have been since the 80s).

Sparko · 21-12-2020 01:42PM

The Nal wrote: »

The conspiracy according to Gems et al remember was that Covid was created to kill of the elderly to save on pension pay outs. This was quickly proven as bullsh1t so then they moved on to the army rolling in and all of us under martial law. And then when that didn't happen it was claimed that was just a practice run for wave 2, and then when it didn't happen in wave 2........

Just like her uprising that was definitely happening in 2020, then maybe 2021, then definitely by 2024.

Birneybau · 21-12-2020 01:59PM

Sparko wrote: »

Just like her uprising that was definitely happening in 2020, then maybe 2021, then definitely by 2024.

Well, it might happen before 9 p.m.

gmisk · 21-12-2020 05:49PM

I see aciquestion have more videos of Gemma screeching at customers and shop owners for asking her to wear a mask. Comparing them to Nazis...
Her voice....Jesus....she has no right to service in them...saying she is going to sue them all and if they have a house it will be taken off them....
Isn't she broke?!?

Seriously someone is going to clock her some day and she will thoroughly deserve it.

Annasopra · 21-12-2020 06:46PM

gmisk wrote: »

I see aciquestion have more videos of Gemma screeching at customers and shop owners for asking her to wear a mask. Comparing them to Nazis...
Her voice....Jesus....she has no right to service in them...saying she is going to sue them all and if they have a house it will be taken off them....
Isn't she broke?!?

Seriously someone is going to clock her some day and she will thoroughly deserve it.

She wants to ban starbucks and costa cos they're fascists.

padd b1975 · 21-12-2020 07:01PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

She wants to ban starbucks and costa cos they're fascists.

Ruth Coppinger wanted to ban them too.

Different reasons though!

21-12-2020 07:06PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Ruth Coppinger wanted to ban them too.

Different reasons though!

A quick Google indicates she wants them to pay corporate tax rather than dodge it. Tad different to Gemma's nonsense..

mountain · 21-12-2020 08:31PM

Fair play to the staff in all 3 shops,
They conducted themselves very well under what must be difficult circumstances, I’m sure any annoyance from them would result in that poisonous bit** editing the footage to make them look bad.

doublejobbing 2 · 22-12-2020 01:50PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You dont seem to like your fake news assertions proved wrong.

Five Irish Times links? Are you actually on a wind up?

Didn't click, but if any of them are by Sorcha Pollak or Kitty Holland they aren't news articles of merit, they're opinion pieces.

Deleted User wrote: »

Sharing bedrooms with non related people is pretty common... ...

Non related people.

You claimed children with non related adults.

Do you think five year old girls share rooms with unrelated men in their 40's as a matter of routine, day in day out?

It may have happened the odd time. It shouldn't. But if it did it was because the centre was too rammed full of spoofers that your lot don't want deported.

One thing is certain, more Irish children will be sharing rooms with uncles and in laws if the loopy plans to shut DP come to fruition.

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Were we? If we were, that's 18 years ago. A lot has changed since then. Poland and Latvia joining the EU in 2004 and 2003, respectively, for a start.

So you think that countries that were a few months away from joining the EU, who had already been approved for membership, had people fleeing for their lives during this period? :pac:

Does that mean "giving someone a house"? No, and that's not what anyone is looking for.

.

Actually it is exactly what the Catherine Day report is looking for, and you know this.

MrsBean · 22-12-2020 02:29PM

"Own-door accommodation", or "housing support" versus a free house are very different things, and you know this. You seem to interpret the report the way you want it to read to suit your agenda.

doublejobbing 2 · 22-12-2020 02:59PM

MrsBean wrote: »

"Own-door accommodation", or "housing support" versus a free house are very different things, and you know this. You seem to interpret the report the way you want it to read to suit your agenda.

They really are not. The plan was to either use scarcely available council houses or let them loose on the over crowded private market via a HAP style scheme.

But you already knew this.

23-12-2020 12:32AM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Five Irish Times links? Are you actually on a wind up?

Didn't click, but if any of them are by Sorcha Pollak or Kitty Holland they aren't news articles of merit, they're opinion pieces.

Non related people.

You claimed children with non related adults.

Do you think five year old girls share rooms with unrelated men in their 40's as a matter of routine, day in day out?

It may have happened the odd time. It shouldn't. But if it did it was because the centre was too rammed full of spoofers that your lot don't want deported.

One thing is certain, more Irish children will be sharing rooms with uncles and in laws if the loopy plans to shut DP come to fruition.

So you think that countries that were a few months away from joining the EU, who had already been approved for membership, had people fleeing for their lives during this period? :pac:

Actually it is exactly what the Catherine Day report is looking for, and you know this.

I can't find the particular report where it was referenced so I'm happy to rescind it. The conditions have been recognised by multiple reports to be unsuitable for children and often unsafe conditions. But you literally don't seem to care and wish to rant about it being the "spoofers" fault. Irish children are all that seems to matter to you..

You've now encountered multiple posters who are in full time employment that view direct provision to be dreadful.

Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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