The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

The_Honeybadger · 19-12-2020 11:47PM

Cavan_King wrote: »

A bit of passion wouldn’t go amiss. Not a preprepared piece of regurgitated crap that was signed off by one of the orderlies.

Prepare Cluxton’s speech to those given “off the cuff” by Ray Galligan or Conor Sweeney.

For the year that’s been in it, it shouldn’t have been hard for Cluxton to be able to find a bit of inspiration himself.

Cluxton is not a ra ra guy, he seems to be the quiet type and probably hates doing those speeches. I would not hold it against him at all, yes it was a boring speech but not everyone can be a charismatic or inspirational public speaker.

Re Dublin it’s interesting to see where this is going, the level of public disgruntlement in relation to their dominance is growing and I don’t see where a regression is going to come from given the age profile and depth of their panel. They brought Mannion and Howard off the bench today FFS.

Kerry and Donegal were supposed to be the challengers this year but they fell on their faces and look to be two flawed teams quite honestly. Mayo / Tyrone are not good enough either.

Huge headache for the GAA

The Lost Sheep · 19-12-2020 11:48PM

equivariant wrote: »

The point I'm making is not about professionalism.transfer market. The point is that the NFL actively puts rules in place to counterbalance teams that have natural advantages - they have draft lotteries and salary caps etc. Of course the GAA can't exactly replicate those things, but they can try to put some measures in place to actively disadvantage the reigning champions no matter who that might be.

Except its a professional sport and players have freedom to move teams all the time unlike the GAA.

threeball wrote: »

No ones talking about division 4 teams. None of the division one teams are laying a glove on Dublin and its not because they're rubbish. Anyone of the other top 7 can beat one another on a given day. Thats not true of Dublin. Fitness and conditioning they're streets ahead. They burn off other teams as the game wears on. Same again today. No other team will achieve that level of fitness due to their circumstances. Dublin are more akin to an Aussie rules team in that regard.

Saying no division 1 sides are laying a glove on dublin is false. the results dont back that up.

LuasSimon wrote: »

It’s population that’s the main problem , if you have 6/7000 adult players like Dublin have you have a great chance of getting 30/40 top ones compared to Mayo picking from 1000 footballers . governments particularly Fine Gael have been diverting all jobs into Dublin for the last twenty years and closing many services like garda stations , banks etc in rural Ireland hence quarter of the country live in one county now - Dublin .
Mayo voted in big numbers for Fine Gael the Dublin party , 4 out of 5 seats in election before last, Mayo turkeys voting for Christmas!
If Enda Kenny etc had encouraged some of these factories to rural ireland , Mayo , Kerry etc might have jobs for young men and their families creating footballers of the present and future .

Thats always been the case. Dublin have always had many more players than Mayo and others. Kerry dont have more players than a lot of counties but do very well because of the structures they have in place to counter not having the numbers.

Cavan_King wrote: »

No matter what side of this argument you’re on, and it seems that there’s no middle ground, people are either hugely one way or the other, two images from today surely show that something needs to be done....

1. The list of local Dublin’s backroom team of 28 vs Mayo’s 17.
2. Stephen Cluxton being handed a prepared victory speech by Dublin’s media manager.

Whats the comparison of Dubs backroom team to lot other counties other than Mayo?
Look at tipp hurlers and the mid 20s sized backroom team they have. Many other gaa sides like them as well.
County captain being handed a speech. Happens all the time. Nothing strange or out of ordinary with that

ClanofLams · 19-12-2020 11:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s going to become a huge problem as well, and many have noticed. Undefeated this year.

Well ahead of the others, and games never in doubt early on

I wouldn't rule it out but nowhere near the same evidence. Limerick were level with Galway in injury time, a Galway team who had lost their two best forwards in Cathal Mannion & Joe Canning.

Dublin are after 6 in a row and going further and further away. People saying it can't/won't continue seem detached from reality.

LuasSimon · 19-12-2020 11:50PM

Are the counties in the greater Dublin area ( Kildare, Meath, Louth, Wicklow) the only ones who will have a chance in years to come.....at least they are close enough to Dublin ( where all the jobs are) ...the GAA can put the money into those counties, they might have the population to make some stab at beating Dublin!
Most young men in the west ( kerry, Donegal , Mayo ) have to move to Dublin or emigrate for jobs...many of those who emigrated over the last 20/30 years sons now play with Dublin clubs or London.

ooter · 19-12-2020 11:55PM

Brian Fenton "it's just unbelievable, you never get sick of it."
Amen.
We'll leave it there so.

tobefrank321 · 19-12-2020 11:56PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Are the counties in the greater Dublin area ( Kildare, Meath, Louth, Wicklow) the only ones who will have a chance in years to come.....at least they are close enough to Dublin ( where all the jobs are) ...the GAA can put the money into those counties, they might have the population to make some stab at beating Dublin!
Most young men in the west ( kerry, Donegal , Mayo ) have to move to Dublin or emigrate for jobs...many of those who emigrated over the last 20/30 years sons now play with Dublin clubs or London.

I'd say Dublin has recived tons more games development funds than either Meath or Kildare in the last two decades. Before the funding rolled into Dublin, Meath and Kildare were winning Leinster and competing in AI finals. Its obvious given their decline that they've been starved of resources which were diverted to Dublin. Kildare and Meath cannot afford the professional structure Dublin has.

lawrencesummers · 19-12-2020 11:56PM

Fair play to Dublin.

They have raised the bar.

But sport is fickle, the wheel always turns and the Dubs won’t always be on top.

Gooey Looey · 19-12-2020 11:58PM

ooter wrote: »

Brian Fenton "it's just unbelievable, the benchyou never get sick of it."
Amen.
We'll leave it there so.

What other county has the squad to leave 2 times player of the year Brian Howard on the bench to come on in the second half!

StupidLikeAFox · 20-12-2020 12:02AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Fair play to Dublin.

They have raised the bar.

But sport is fickle, the wheel always turns and the Dubs won’t always be on top.

I hope you are right. But typically, in any sport, when these winning streaks come along it is either a golden generation or a special manager, but neither of these seems to be true. Dublin can lose footballers of the year like Diarmuid Connolly or Jack McCaffrey or a manager like Jim Gavin and they don't break a stride

Rosita · 20-12-2020 12:06AM

Cavan_King wrote: »

I haven’t met many teachers who find public speaking difficult, it’s a fairly integral part of their job!

And what public was he speaking in front of today!?

To be honest, both sentences you've written show in different ways that you just will never get this.

ArielAtom · 20-12-2020 12:07AM

I’m on cloud 9. The amount of whinging backbiting and general whinging equates to the level of failure from each and everyone of the failing counties. Get your **** together as was stated by the expert panels. The truth hurts.

lawrencesummers · 20-12-2020 12:09AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

I hope you are right. But typically, in any sport, when these winning streaks come along it is either a golden generation or a special manager, but neither of these seems to be true. Dublin can lose footballers of the year like Diarmuid Connolly or Jack McCaffrey or a manager like Jim Gavin and they don't break a stride

Then Kilkenny hurling team of not so long ago was invincible. The Kerry footballers were a dead very form5 in a row. The show about christy ring had him going for nine until the rackerts came along.

New Zealand were favourites for last years rugby World Cup.

The only certainty in sport is that you will Always eventually lose.

Gooey Looey · 20-12-2020 12:12AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I’m on cloud 9. The amount of whinging backbiting and general whinging equates to the level of failure from each and everyone of the failing counties. Get your **** together as was stated by the expert panels. The truth hurts.

We need money to get our **** together! Here's something Dubs know nothing about, fundraisers, they don't need them. Outside Dublin it's a constant fundraiser just to survive

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-12-2020 12:14AM

There were two games on TV around the same time today - The All Ireland and Munster Vs Clermont in the European cup. From what I heard about the rugby game that was head and shoulders above the football, Munster turned around a 27 point deficit. Crazy stuff! Must watch the highlights.

Football could find it hard to compete against other sports for entertainment, particularly for the neutrals.

Furryglove · 20-12-2020 12:18AM

Lexie Icy Tremor wrote: »

The Irish taxpayer paid for Dublin's success. The truth hurts.

From the second richest county, absolute morons, no wonder ye win **** all

It’s like a Ewan mc Kenna love in in here, disgusting hate

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:18AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Then Kilkenny hurling team of not so long ago was invincible. The Kerry footballers were a dead very form5 in a row. The show about christy ring had him going for nine until the rackerts came along.

New Zealand were favourites for last years rugby World Cup.

The only certainty in sport is that you will Always eventually lose.

The situations are not comparable. The Kerry team you mention had one injury enforced change between the first and last of the five in a row finals. Dublin team now is very different from 2015. It’s not a once in a lifetime team, it’s a production line churning out quality and there is no reason to think it will stop.

In any sport, greater funding has a huge impact. Combine that with huge population advantage and domination is the inevitable result. Dublin will eventually lose a game sure but it will be a freak result. Under the current structures Dublin will win 80-90% of All Irelands.

ooter · 20-12-2020 12:19AM

Lexie Icy Tremor wrote: »

The Irish taxpayer paid for Dublin's success. The truth hurts.

They also paid for Dublin's (hurling) failure.

Stacksofwacks · 20-12-2020 12:20AM

Galway beat Dublin in U21 final split them up, Meath hammered Dublin in Minor championship split them up too, rubbish this is an exceptional Dublin team, they will always be there or thereabouts being a big county but give this team the credit they deserve

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:20AM

ooter wrote: »

They also paid for Dublin's (hurling) failure.

Dublin hurling has had enormously successful decade compared to being knocked out by Westmeath in 2005.

WesternZulu · 20-12-2020 12:21AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

I’m on cloud 9. The amount of whinging backbiting and general whinging equates to the level of failure from each and everyone of the failing counties. Get your **** together as was stated by the expert panels. The truth hurts.

You're exactly right. If only Mayo demanded just as much funding from the GAA, had as many development officers, grew a population of 1.5m instead of one that's ten times less, played all their games at MacHale Park, told Elverys to give them €1m a year in sponsorship, and create jobs in the county for all of their players so they wouldn't have to travel home to train.

They just need to get their **** together and then they'd be able to compete. All hail the Dubs.

lawrencesummers · 20-12-2020 12:21AM

Lexie Icy Tremor wrote: »

Its utter nonsense in Dublins case. They have a conveyor belt of talent coming through constantly. Those kerry teams of the 80s had very little turnover of players in comparison

That conveyor belt was talked about in Kilkenny hurling as well.

Get over it, dublin have a better team now, and they have a great side that’s dedicated and hard working where most other counties are abject in their application.

Every so often the debate about professionalism in the GAA comes up but This idea that we have to drag Dublin down to everyone else’s level by tying an anchor around their necks instead of raising the standards elsewhere is just plain stupid and flys in the face of trying to establish a professional Senior inter county panel.

A team can only field 15 players at a time.

kilns · 20-12-2020 12:21AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

Dublin hurling has had enormously successful decade compared to being knocked out by Westmeath in 2005.

Laois knocked them out last year.....................

ooter · 20-12-2020 12:22AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

We need money to get our **** together! Here's something Dubs know nothing about, fundraisers, they don't need them. Outside Dublin it's a constant fundraiser just to survive

https://m.facebook.com/events/shelbourne-park/dubs-at-the-dogs/833005176872792/

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:23AM

kilns wrote: »

Laois knocked them out last year.....................

And they knocked out the back to back All ireland finalists, the equivalent of them beating Kilkenny in 2004...

Also won their first league and first Leinster title in fifty years over the last decade.

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:25AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Get over it, dublin have a better team now, and they have a great side that’s dedicated and hard working where most other counties are abject in their application.

.

What are you basing this on?

um7y1h83ge06nx · 20-12-2020 12:25AM

A big problem is that there is nowhere else for Dublin to go. If they were a League of Ireland club there could be an argument to be made to try and get them into the premier league in order to have a challenge and generate more revenue.

ooter · 20-12-2020 12:26AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

The situations are not comparable. The Kerry team you mention had one injury enforced change between the first and last of the five in a row finals.

They played an average of 4 games a year from 78 to 82, one year they only played 3 games. Very easy to pick the same team consistently when you're dealing with so few games. Different story these days, Dublin had 9 games last year.

ArielAtom · 20-12-2020 12:27AM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

We need money to get our **** together! Here's something Dubs know nothing about, fundraisers, they don't need them. Outside Dublin it's a constant fundraiser just to survive

Get your **** together.

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:28AM

ooter wrote: »

They played an average of 4 games a year from 78 to 82, one year they only played 3 games. Very easy to pick the same team consistently when you're dealing with so few games. Different story these days, Dublin had 9 games last year.

True but the point is it was once in a lifetime team. Dublin aren’t because their team has changed so much.

ClanofLams · 20-12-2020 12:31AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Stop whinging on an Internet forum and sort your inadequacies out. Very simple advice.

‘Tis certainly simple......

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