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US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Nody wrote: »
    Remember the story making the rounds about Trump's twitter account password being hacked? Well it was true... He used MAGA2020! as the password...
    It's BRUSH2021 now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,427 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Nody wrote: »
    Remember the story making the rounds about Trump's twitter account password being hacked? Well it was true... He used MAGA2020! as the password...

    the only thing that surprises me here is that it wasn't PASSWORD


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Nody wrote: »
    Remember the story making the rounds about Trump's twitter account password being hacked? Well it was true... He used MAGA2020! as the password...

    The same guy also cracked Trump's password 6 years ago.. At that time, it was "yourefired"..

    It seems to me he could legitimately re-use that old one now....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So I've been pointed to this document, and it's very... veryy... veerrryyy prescient.

    This is a political science/law (?) article published in 2019. https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj

    I'm, uh, a few pages in so far, I plan to read the whole thing, which is fascinating so far. The author basically theorycrafted last year, what is actually happening right now with regard to how the 2020 election actually unfolded, how Republicans would behave, and how critical 3 US Code Section 15 can and could still be to the election crisis we find ourselves in.

    For example (author uses Elizabeth Warren as a placeholder candidate for this exercize):
    Despite protests and counter-protests, and lawsuits and counterlawsuits—each side accusing the other of attempting to steal an election
    that is rightfully theirs—Pennsylvania’s election officials certify the
    result as a miniscule [theoretical in this case] 2,500-vote victory for [Biden], based on the strength
    of the “overtime” votes counted during the canvassing process. This
    official certification, of course, is not technically that [Biden] has
    won Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, but rather than the slate of
    presidential electors pledged to [Biden] have won, based on the popular
    vote, the right to serve as the state’s electors. Pennsylvania’s governor so
    certifies pursuant to state law.15 Also, as required by Congress, the
    governor sends this “certificate of ascertainment” to the National
    Archives, thereby notifying the federal government who has been
    officially appointed the state’s electors.16 These electors then meet on the
    day appointed by Congress (Monday, December 14) and indeed cast their
    20 electoral votes for Warren. These electors then dutifully transmit a
    certificate of their votes to “the President of the Senate,” as well as
    sending a copy to the National Archives, both submissions as specified
    by Congress.17

    But this is not all that happens in Pennsylvania during this time. At
    Trump’s urging, the state’s legislature—where Republicans have
    majorities in both houses—purports to exercise its authority under Article
    II of the Constitution to appoint the state’s presidential electors directly.
    Taking their cue from Trump, both legislative chambers claim that the
    certified popular vote cannot be trusted because of the blue shift that
    occurred in overtime. Therefore, the two chambers claim to have the
    constitutional right to supersede the popular vote and assert direct
    authority to appoint the state’s presidential electors, so that this
    appointment is in line with the popular vote tally as it existed on Election
    Night, which Trump continues to claim is the “true” outcome. The state’s
    Democratic governor refuses to assent to this assertion of authority by the
    state’s legislature, but the legislature’s two chambers proclaim that the
    governor’s assent is unnecessary. They cite early historical practices in
    which state legislatures appointed presidential electors without any
    involvement of the state’s governor.
    18 They argue that like constitutional
    amendments, and unlike ordinary legislation, the appointment of
    presidential electors when undertaken directly by a state legislature is not
    subject to a gubernatorial veto.19*

    *19. One could consider the possibility that Pennsylvania’s governor, or judiciary, might attempt
    to prevent the two chambers of the state’s legislature meeting for this purpose.
    For this analysis, I
    shall assume that any such attempt would either not occur or not be successful. At the extreme, the
    Republican members of the state legislature would likely be able to find a place to assemble, even
    if it were not the official statehouse even if their meeting otherwise lacked the appearance of an
    official session of the state’s legislative chambers. Even so, these Republican members of the state
    legislature could purport to be engaged in an official legislative session, even if meeting in unusual
    circumstances, and thus could purport to be appointing the state’s presidential electors pursuant to
    the state legislature’s constitutional authority to do so. The Trump-pledged Republican electors
    then could assert that they were meeting pursuant to this purported legislative appointment.

    (Moreover, even if these irregular legislative sessions never occurred, the Trump-pledged
    Republican electors might themselves meet, saying that they would have been appointed by the
    state’s legislature
    if the legislature had not unlawfully been denied the opportunity to assemble, and
    thus their electoral votes should be considered by Congress as valid as if the legislature has
    successfully met to appoint them.)

    The wrinkle here at the moment still is though, unless I am mistaken and I am open to correction, unlike in this prediction no state legislature has actually met as a 2 chamber majority opinion to legitimize any alternate voters. So when it does come down to the Congress, VP is only going to have one lawfully recognizable envelope per state to read from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭paul71


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    The same guy also cracked Trump's password 6 years ago.. At that time, it was "yourefired"..

    It seems to me he could legitimately re-use that old one now....

    I knew about that and the only thing I found surprising was that he did not use "yourfired".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    There was an article/twitter thread by Alison Greene posted here a week or more ago which suggested that many of the vote manipulation allegations that have been made by the Trump campaign are based on projection of what they know Republicans themselves have done in elections. Specifically, Greene points to 'unexplained' anomalies in some predominantly Democrat-registered Kentucky counties that voted for Mc Connell over Mc Grath. The post was quite quickly dismissed on here, as an un-necessary 'conspiracy theory' that was being put out there and that was no more likely to be true than were all the baseless Trump- favouring theories which have failed in Courts all across the country.

    Well, Greene has now teamed up with David Cay Johnson's DC Report and they seem to have taken this on. I will be following this closely as, if Mc Connell's victory in KY was influenced by shenannigans, it ought to be capable of being outed.

    https://twitter.com/GrassrootsSpeak/status/1340048016229724160?s=19


    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/why-the-numbers-behind-mitch-mcconnells-re-election-dont-add-up/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Like with Trump's random cases I would go want proof before deciding this is a story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Like with Trump's random cases I would go want proof before deciding this is a story.

    I'd say its already a story. Whether there's truth in the story is the question. For me, the fact that Greene got DC Report to publish it is interesting. No doubt, it requires much further analysis, but there's enough there for me to warrant that further analysis and investigation by the media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Someday people will realise that McConnell is popular in Kentucky. 7 senate wins and even won by double digits when Clinton carried his state.

    Its a conservative state and he is someone who achieved a lot for the conservative movement thus he is rewarded every time they vote for him.


    I don't like the man myself as I suspect he doesn't have a soul, but their is very little to that article of note, just a lady who I suspect lives in an echo chamber where everyone hates Mitch (rightfully tbf) so probably can't understand why he won yet again.

    Decent article on his appeal from Kentucky.

    https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article246972207.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭sliabh 1956


    i see Fox news under legal pressure have retracted all their bogus claims about Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    That RawStory thing about Mitch is the same kind of nonsense the Republican Party has been spewing since the election. Don’t fall for it!

    https://twitter.com/grace_panetta/status/1340111078316007427?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Someday people will realise that McConnell is popular in Kentucky. 7 senate wins and even won by double digits when Clinton carried his state.

    Its a conservative state and he is someone who achieved a lot for the conservative movement thus he is rewarded every time they vote for him.


    I don't like the man myself as I suspect he doesn't have a soul, but their is very little to that article of note, just a lady who I suspect lives in an echo chamber where everyone hates Mitch (rightfully tbf) so probably can't understand why he won yet again.

    Decent article on his appeal from Kentucky.

    https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article246972207.html

    I have no doubt that he is an able, if execrable, politician. However, that doesn't negate Greene's thought-provoking analysis IMO. I don't dismiss her report at all. I do think it raises legitimate questions and I would welcome a thorough investigation with a view to establishing the facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Georgia is v interesting.

    Dos anyone anticipate Trump may actually end up asking his followers to vote Democrat?

    Right from the outset it was said that he was not a Republican (whatever that means)

    Now is his time to come out of his closet (and into the next closet).

    It really is set up so finely -could hardly have been better scripted.

    They have to keep Trump sweet until the votes are cast and by so attempting are subverting American Democracy(even further)

    And we know what happens to those who try to keep on the right side of Trump....instantly forgotten when the time comes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    amandstu wrote: »
    Dos anyone anticipate Trump may actually end up asking his followers to vote Democrat?

    No. He has a kind of reptilian intelligence that instinctively knows that this would be unforgiveable in the eyes of a lot of Republicans. He still has plans for either himself and/or his children to run for political office as Republicans.

    The very worst he would do is not to campaign for the Republican candidates but he has already had one rally with them both.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,032 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    No. He has a kind of reptilian intelligence that instinctively knows that this would be unforgiveable in the eyes of a lot of Republicans. He still has plans for either himself and/or his children to run for political office as Republicans.

    The very worst he would do is not to campaign for the Republican candidates but he has already had one rally with them both.

    Yes, to line his own pockets. Trump couldn't care less about the senate majority as his goose politically is cooked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    amandstu wrote: »
    Georgia is v interesting.

    Dos anyone anticipate Trump may actually end up asking his followers to vote Democrat?

    Right from the outset it was said that he was not a Republican (whatever that means)

    Now is his time to come out of his closet (and into the next closet).

    It really is set up so finely -could hardly have been better scripted.

    They have to keep Trump sweet until the votes are cast and by so attempting are subverting American Democracy(even further)

    And we know what happens to those who try to keep on the right side of Trump....instantly forgotten when the time comes.

    The “plan” seems to be to have Democrats win Georgia *again* so they can say “OMG HOW SID THIS HAPPEN BUT FOR FRAUD”


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,178 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    i see Fox news under legal pressure have retracted all their bogus claims about Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines
    Maybe they can remove their bogus vaccine claims now that Rupert Murdoc has taken the vaccine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,784 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    https://twitter.com/stevenjfrisch/status/1341085413663002625?s=21

    Not only the 'clarification' from Newsmax, a clarification that is bald in its clarity. It doesn't exactly accept responsibility for everything that was said, more points out with vigour that things that might have been said, possibly in it's studios, were not true. At all. A big long list.

    Then the letter from Smartmatic to Fox (presumably the Newsmax letter was much the same) all 20 pages of it, demanding retraction and clarification to the same extent that they spread the stuff in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    looksee wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/stevenjfrisch/status/1341085413663002625?s=21

    Not only the 'clarification' from Newsmax, a clarification that is bald in its clarity. It doesn't exactly accept responsibility for everything that was said, more points out with vigour that things that might have been said, possibly in it's studios, were not true. At all. A big long list.

    Then the letter from Smartmatic to Fox (presumably the Newsmax letter was much the same) all 20 pages of it, demanding retraction and clarification to the same extent that they spread the stuff in the first place.

    Every one of these engines of sedition need to be hit with $500 million claims... Immediately!

    Illegal attempts at destruction of Democratic processes need to be dealt with!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,692 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    As always, tGOPers doing what they accuse others of: voter fraud.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/bruce-bartman-election-fraud-delaware-county-20201221.html

    "In the weeks leading up to the presidential election, Elizabeth Bartman and Elizabeth Weihman registered to vote as Republicans in Nether Providence Township, Delaware County officials said Monday. There was one problem: Both women had been dead for several years."

    This was in PA.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    Alex Padilla nominated to fill Kamala Harris senate seat. Progressives aren't happy as he opposes Medicare for All

    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1341446669464969217


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    Alex Padilla nominated to fill Kamala Harris senate seat. Progressives aren't happy as he opposes Medicare for All

    https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1341446669464969217

    Of course he does.

    When you have it , you don't want others to have it.

    Classic ladder pulling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,739 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Dillonb3 wrote: »
    Alex Padilla nominated to fill Kamala Harris senate seat. Progressives aren't happy as he opposes Medicare for All
    But they're not supposed to care about that kind of thing - "Padilla will be California’s first Latino senator" - never mind his policy, look at his identity ... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I think Trumpers are being played, and played *hard*

    This blog post has been swirling around online today, shared mostly people who are also quoting Rasmussen Polling (yes, Rasmussen) who earlier today shared these grandiose claims that the Vice President can "unilaterally" decide the outcome of an election.

    https://macris.substack.com/p/who-counts-the-votes-of-the-presidential

    Even at the end of the blog post (if its sharers bothered to read it), it says in bold,

    If Trump would be king, Mike Pence could be his kingmaker.

    And, in the prologue of the article is a quote from Stalin,

    "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

    And yet, people who are pro MAGA, Pro USA, don't see the irony in trying to win an election through tactics Joseph Stalin would revere and crowning Trump a king. The whole blogpost feels like the type of trolling people submit to journals sometime to see if they bother proofreading and reviewing. Here, Trumpers are hearing "there's a chance!" and sharing an article that basically interprets the United States as a Kingdom and that Trump just has to win by adopting Bolshevik marxist philosophy...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,987 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Overheal wrote: »
    And yet, people who are pro MAGA, Pro USA, don't see the irony in trying to win an election through tactics Joseph Stalin would revere and crowning Trump a king. The whole blogpost feels like the type of trolling people submit to journals sometime to see if they bother proofreading and reviewing. Here, Trumpers are hearing "there's a chance!" and sharing an article that basically interprets the United States as a Kingdom and that Trump just has to win by adopting Bolshevik marxist philosophy...


    Im surprised that your still surprised by the levels of cognitive dissonance they are capable of.


    remember this?


    Dj2e0w9VAAAraKs.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ugh.

    Nevermind the Laches of the law gohmert is suing being upstanding for 133 years - Gohmert himself has been a member of congress for 4 such January 6 sessions: 2005 (objection to Ohio’s electors under the law even), 2009, 2013, and 2017 when Biden shot down a democratic objection not in writing to which I will bet my nut shows Gohmert alongside all the other republicans who gave Biden a standing ovation when he did that and said “it’s over” sealing Trumps victory to the presidency. I hope the court excoriates him about this in its decision.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Perhaps this is a more appropriate thread rather than the DJT thread for Georgia talk.

    Have CNN on here.
    Quarter of the vote in and it's 53-47 to the Dems in both races.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    NYT, Dave Wasserman & Betfair Exchange all favouring Ossoff/Warnock outcome.

    NYT tracker is incredible with its level of detail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,862 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Perhaps this is a more appropriate thread rather than the DJT thread for Georgia talk.

    Have CNN on here.
    Quarter of the vote in and it's 53-47 to the Dems in both races.

    Any idea of when the full result will be in? Off work tomorrow but don't fancy pulling an all nighter like election night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    55D-45R now with 43% in.

    Both races, as you would expect, are tracking each other.

    It's 2030 US-ET now and the counts will continue til 2am. So we should have a fair idea around midnight US-ET.


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