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Interdepartmental Higher Executive Officer 2020 - (Serving Civil Servants ONLY)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭ Ollie321


    carnie wrote: »

    Is there an information booklet? I cant seem to find it


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ carnie


    Ollie321 wrote: »
    Is there an information booklet? I cant seem to find it

    I have received it but only through WhatsAPP. Just looking for a link now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ carnie




  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ SortingYouOut


    Is this interdepartmental only? If not, the booklet doesn't advise that you must have a level 8 degree if applying through the open stream.


  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ SortingYouOut


    Treetirty wrote: »
    Yes, this does appear to be interdepartmental only as the booklet states that you need to have 2 years service within the Civil Service by the closing date of application.

    What stood out to me from the booklet is this: "It is not envisaged that appointments will be made from this competition after 31 January 2023."

    That can't be right surely?

    That's the usual two year timeframe right?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭ SomeSayKos


    Treetirty wrote: »
    I might be incorrect on that, but for other interdepartmental competitions I don't think there was a 2 year wait for appointments.

    .
    There isn't a 2 year wait for appointments. Appointments will be made from this panel up until January 2023


  • Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭ SomeSayKos


    From the circular: "It is not envisaged that appointments will be made from this competition after 31 January 2023"


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭ MrsBean


    Treetirty wrote: »
    The information in the booklet would indicate that appointments for this competition will only begin after 2 years.

    I might be incorrect on that, but for other interdepartmental competitions I don't think there was a 2 year wait for appointments.

    Edit: I've went back and checked previous interdepartmental HEO competitions and I was wrong - Appointments are only taken 2 years after the competition starts.

    I really think you're misinterpreting the information.

    Booklet states "it is not envisaged that appointments will be made from this competition after 31 January 2023". This means that after 31 January 2023 the panel will expire, usually because a new competition will have gone live.

    For example the 2019 Comp went live March 2019 and stated that appointments will not be made after April 2021. Hence opening this competition now so that there is always a panel of successful applicants to draw from.


  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ rostalof


    Is this interdepartmental only? If not, the booklet doesn't advise that you must have a level 8 degree if applying through the open stream.

    What open stream? There's been no mention of an open competition, or level 8 qualifications. The circular is titled,

    "Interdepartmental Competition for Promotion to Higher Executive Officer (HEO) in the Civil Service".

    It's been quite a few years since there was an open HEO competition. For the last good few years, the only open HEO competitions have been for specialist roles like HEO ICT.


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭✭ Treetirty


    MrsBean wrote: »
    I really think you're misinterpreting the information.

    Booklet states "it is not envisaged that appointments will be made from this competition after 31 January 2023". This means that after 31 January 2023 the panel will expire, usually because a new competition will have gone live.

    For example the 2019 Comp went live March 2019 and stated that appointments will not be made after April 2021. Hence opening this competition now so that there is always a panel of successful applicants to draw from.

    Ah, you're absolutely correct. I read it wrong and thought it meant that the panel wouldn't become active until that date which didn't make a whole pile of sense.

    Thank you for that explanation!

    Edit: Sorry for the innacuracies in the thread, I've deleted my posts as I don't want to be the cause of any further misinformation because of my poor comprehension!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭ MrsBean


    I think it bears repeating that this competition is only for serving civil servants and you must have 2 years service under your belt to be eligible.

    There are no educational requirements.

    This thread is only page 1 and already has lots of inaccuracies!


  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ rostalof


    MrsBean wrote: »
    I think it bears repeating that this competition is only for serving civil servants and you must have 2 years service under your belt to be eligible.

    There are no educational requirements.

    This thread is only page 1 and already has lots of inaccuracies!

    Maybe the thread title can be changed to Interdepartmental HEO 2020 or something along those lines?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,697 ✭✭✭ KaneToad


    Why can't I find this on the publicjobs website under the list of jobs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭ cvb03


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Why can't I find this on the publicjobs website under the list of jobs?

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/en/?option=com_jobsearch&view=jobdetails&cid=127370&campaignId=20267403


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ carnie


    rostalof wrote: »
    Maybe the thread title can be changed to Interdepartmental HEO 2020 or something along those lines?

    No worries I'll update now.

    Think I'll leave future notifications to the regular posters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 306 ✭✭ rostalof


    carnie wrote: »
    No worries I'll update now.

    Think I'll leave future notifications to the regular posters.

    Not at all, post away! There's just been a little confusion between open and interdepartmental competitions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭ GooglePlus


    Anyone have previous experience in this kind of competition? How much of a step up is it from the EO tests etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,360 ✭✭✭✭ Rikand


    Typical. 1 year and 9 months in the service. I have missed out on an internal heo comp with my department and now an interdepartmental


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭ tgdaly


    Rikand wrote: »
    Typical. 1 year and 9 months in the service. I have missed out on an internal heo comp with my department and now an interdepartmental

    I think I might be the same, won't have the 2 years until March and was really hoping this wouldn't be until then. Unless time worked in a county council counts (which I don't think it does) as I was there for 6 months before that


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭ pew


    I only recently got a promotion as eo but have 3.5 years under my belt. I thought I couldn't apply for it as I'm still on probation.

    It's worth noting it states that you are eligible to apply if you are on probation under the condition you would have been eligible had you stayed in your previous role.

    Unless I'm reading it wrong!!

    "Officers on probation are not eligible to compete except where they would have been eligible has they remained in their previous grade."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭ caarp


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Anyone have previous experience in this kind of competition? How much of a step up is it from the EO tests etc?

    I'm wondering this too. Is it a big jump up, or similar?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭ GooglePlus


    pew wrote: »
    I only recently got a promotion as eo but have 3.5 years under my belt. I thought I couldn't apply for it as I'm still on probation.

    It's worth noting it states that you are eligible to apply if you are on probation under the condition you would have been eligible had you stayed in your previous role.

    Unless I'm reading it wrong!!

    "Officers on probation are not eligible to compete except where they would have been eligible has they remained in their previous grade."

    No, you're right. You're eligible, I'm in the same boat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭ carnie


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Anyone have previous experience in this kind of competition? How much of a step up is it from the EO tests etc?

    It depends what elements they will use in this competition. Last time I made it to the interview stage of an Interdepartmental HEO comp I had to do a presentation before I was interviewed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭ tgdaly


    tgdaly wrote: »
    I think I might be the same, won't have the 2 years until March and was really hoping this wouldn't be until then. Unless time worked in a county council counts (which I don't think it does) as I was there for 6 months before that

    So I emailed PAS regarding my own query, and received the following answer :

    "Given the volume of applications we are receiving, PAS is not in a position to consider or offer advice on the qualifications/eligibility of individuals unless they come under consideration. Qualifications/eligibility may not be verified by PAS until the final stage of the process."

    So if PAS can't provide an answer who can I contact? I can't really apply and go through all the stages only to be told at the end I'm ineligible


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,214 ✭✭✭✭ yabadabado


    tgdaly wrote: »
    So I emailed PAS regarding my own query, and received the following answer :

    "Given the volume of applications we are receiving, PAS is not in a position to consider or offer advice on the qualifications/eligibility of individuals unless they come under consideration. Qualifications/eligibility may not be verified by PAS until the final stage of the process."

    So if PAS can't provide an answer who can I contact? I can't really apply and go through all the stages only to be told at the end I'm ineligible

    If it was me I'd apply anyways,if nothing else it's good experience for again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭ tgdaly


    yabadabado wrote: »
    If it was me I'd apply anyways,if nothing else it's good experience for again.

    Yeah maybe so, might be worth the experience, although if I was doing well with it but know I can't get a position at the end it would be a bummer, especially if I didn't do as well the next time


  • Registered Users Posts: 327 ✭✭ Cheeseplant


    tgdaly wrote: »
    So I emailed PAS regarding my own query, and received the following answer :

    "Given the volume of applications we are receiving, PAS is not in a position to consider or offer advice on the qualifications/eligibility of individuals unless they come under consideration. Qualifications/eligibility may not be verified by PAS until the final stage of the process."

    So if PAS can't provide an answer who can I contact? I can't really apply and go through all the stages only to be told at the end I'm ineligible

    Your eligibility is usually checked before offer. Sometimes eligibilty (internal comps) is checked before interview. You must have two yrs served by 12/01/21

    From the booklet:



    be serving in a permanent, temporary or acting capacity in the Civil Service in a grade below that of Higher Executive Officer or equivalent.

    b) on or before the closing date of
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]12 January 2021 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT]have not less than two years’ service in the Civil Service. Temporary officers and officers serving in an acting capacity in the eligible grades may compete in the competition provided they fulfil the eligibility requirements set out above. All forms of maternity leave, including extended maternity leave, constitute service for the purpose of calculating the two year service requirement in the Civil Service (see Letter to Personnel Officers dated 10 March 2009 – Extension of Probation due to Maternity Leave and Competitions for Promotion).


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭ tgdaly


    Your eligibility is usually checked before offer. Sometimes eligibilty (internal comps) is checked before interview. You must have two yrs served by 12/01/21

    From the booklet:



    be serving in a permanent, temporary or acting capacity in the Civil Service in a grade below that of Higher Executive Officer or equivalent.

    b) on or before the closing date of
    [FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]12 January 2021 [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial][/FONT][/FONT]have not less than two years’ service in the Civil Service. Temporary officers and officers serving in an acting capacity in the eligible grades may compete in the competition provided they fulfil the eligibility requirements set out above. All forms of maternity leave, including extended maternity leave, constitute service for the purpose of calculating the two year service requirement in the Civil Service (see Letter to Personnel Officers dated 10 March 2009 – Extension of Probation due to Maternity Leave and Competitions for Promotion).

    Yes but my query was whether they were counting time served in a local authority towards the 2 years, I won't have the 2 years before Jan 12th, I'd certainly have it before an offer was made as I'm 2 years in March in government departments, I'll only be 22 months in January but I did 7 months in a LA before that. I've emailed HR in DPER so hopefully they can clarify


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭ gordongekko


    tgdaly wrote: »
    Yes but my query was whether they were counting time served in a local authority towards the 2 years, I won't have the 2 years before Jan 12th, I'd certainly have it before an offer was made as I'm 2 years in March in government departments, I'll only be 22 months in January but I did 7 months in a LA before that. I've emailed HR in DPER so hopefully they can clarify

    As far as I know that's public service not civil service so doesn't count. But I hope you get a reply as I'm not 100% sure


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  • Registered Users Posts: 583 ✭✭✭ SortingYouOut


    carnie wrote: »
    It depends what elements they will use in this competition. Last time I made it to the interview stage of an Interdepartmental HEO comp I had to do a presentation before I was interviewed.

    Did they give you the material to present or was that up to you? Will all be done remotely this time around so god knows what way it'll go down.


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