BGW and DGW 20/21 Discussion thread

Benimar · 15-12-2020 5:44pm #1

The following fixtures have been moved from GW18 to GW19, creating a BGW and a DGW:

Fulham v Man U
Leicester v Chelsea
Liverpool v Burnley
Leeds v Southampton
West Ham v West Brom

Let the fun begin!

F1ngers · 15-12-2020 5:58pm

It's the winter break.

*Matchweek 18 fixtures have been split between 12-14 January and 19-21 January and are signified by an asterisk.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1933136?sf241106154=1

shmeee · 15-12-2020 6:01pm

https://twitter.com/BenCrellin/status/1338885871232290819?s=20

Benimar · 15-12-2020 6:06pm

F1ngers wrote: »

It's the winter break.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1933136?sf241106154=1

Yes, and it creates a BGW and a DGW for FF purposes.

Ace2007 · 15-12-2020 6:06pm

I thought they scrapped the winter break this season due to the shorten schedule?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53767120#:~:text=The%20Premier%20League%20has%20scrapped,late%20end%20to%202019%2D20.

It's not a break if it's only affect 10 teams or am i missing something?

That's a killer for anyone that used their FH already

Benimar · 15-12-2020 6:15pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

I thought they scrapped the winter break this season due to the shorten schedule?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53767120#:~:text=The%20Premier%20League%20has%20scrapped,late%20end%20to%202019%2D20.

It's not a break if it's only affect 10 teams or am i missing something?

That's a killer for anyone that used their FH already

10 teams get one midweek off, the other 10 get the following midweek off.

F1ngers · 15-12-2020 6:15pm

Benimar wrote: »

Yes, and it creates a BGW and a DGW for FF purposes.

Seems so.
Will edit thread title to a generic BGW/DGW instead of just this instance.

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-12-2020 6:23pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

I thought they scrapped the winter break this season due to the shorten schedule?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53767120#:~:text=The%20Premier%20League%20has%20scrapped,late%20end%20to%202019%2D20.

It's not a break if it's only affect 10 teams or am i missing something?

That's a killer for anyone that used their FH already

Is it?

I think I'll just ride it out and keep the FH for later in the year, always spend too much time getting ****e players in to plan towards this like this.

Like it's s consideration, but one of many.

But that all might because I am just worn down by this year...

Morzadec · 15-12-2020 6:28pm

With so many teams having a blank then followed by a double, loading up on DGWers and then using a FH in the BGW probably seems the best play on first view?

Currently I have 9 players from the group that blanks/doubles and 6 from the group that doesn't. So think FH to cover the blank GW18 makes most sense...

Then again we're all going to want our FH for the blanks/doubles at the end of the season so not really sure if there's another way to navigate this!

Ace2007 · 15-12-2020 6:29pm

Benimar wrote: »

10 teams get one midweek off, the other 10 get the following midweek off.

So take Man City for instance - when is there break?

dsmythy · 15-12-2020 6:32pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

So take Man City for instance - when is there break?

They don't play in the midweek games scheduled between the 19th and the 21st.

Benimar · 15-12-2020 6:34pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

So take Man City for instance - when is there break?

The midweek of 18th to 22nd Jan. All teams are getting one midweek off.

Ace2007 · 15-12-2020 6:46pm

Benimar wrote: »

The midweek of 18th to 22nd Jan. All teams are getting one midweek off.

Sorry I understand you now, from a FF point of view they don't have a blank, they just don't have a double. Whereas Man Utd have a blank followed by a double.

Benimar · 15-12-2020 6:49pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Sorry I understand you now, from a FF point of view they don't have a blank, they just don't have a double. Whereas Man Utd have a blank followed by a double.

Yes. 10 teams have a single fixture in both weeks, 10 have a blank in GW18 followed by a double in GW19.

Dr. Bre · 15-12-2020 7:35pm

Will the wildcard be available by then ?

Scorpion Sting · 15-12-2020 7:37pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Will the wildcard be available by then ?

Yeah from GW17 onwards.

CSF · 15-12-2020 7:52pm

Is there going to be further DGWs later in the season actually with the FA Cup or League Cup? Its a rare year that I haven't been obsessing over this.

shmeee · 15-12-2020 8:26pm

Why are people so confused?

10 teams will blank in GW18, and then have DGW in GW19?

Dr. Bre · 15-12-2020 8:32pm

shmeee wrote: »

Why are people so confused?

10 teams will blank in GW18, and then have DGW in GW19?

It’s not rocket science

Shedite27 · 15-12-2020 10:01pm

Its a bit different to usual to be fair, and I'm not sure what it achieves. Nobody gets any more time off do they? There's no need to create this DGW. They could have just left everyone have a midweek game on 13th/14th Jan and then give them all the midweek off on 19th/20th.

It's the first DGW that's been created that I remember that either cleared a backlog of fixtures, or was created to avoid a cup game. Looks created purely to get more games on TV

Ace2007 · 15-12-2020 11:41pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Its a bit different to usual to be fair, and I'm not sure what it achieves. Nobody gets any more time off do they? There's no need to create this DGW. They could have just left everyone have a midweek game on 13th/14th Jan and then give them all the midweek off on 19th/20th.

It's the first DGW that's been created that I remember that either cleared a backlog of fixtures, or was created to avoid a cup game. Looks created purely to get more games on TV

I agree that it serves no purpose at all, and shows the strength of the TV companies, and the the FA/PL will bow to any pressure. If this was planned, it would have been set in stone from the off, instead of clearing stating there was no winter break. Why not just give everyone the week off.

We all plan for busy xmas period, and now we have 4 GW's close together, and then all of a sudden 10 teams are not playing in a GW.

For those who have used their FH, TC or BB even, they have been put at a disadvantage with a slight change in the goalposts. As you say Shedite, this DGW is not to clear a backlog of games or to move games because of a cup. It's purely because of TV companies.

Whose to say this won't happen again come week 30 for instance?

From the FF POV would it not make sense to just move off Games in GW18 to GW19, and have a free week? We've seen from last year that they can change the rules as they like for unexpected events.

ArmaniJeanss · 15-12-2020 11:53pm

That's a mental way of doing it for the official game.
Seeing as the EPL themselves originally referred to it as GW18a and GW18b, I'd just assumed that it would be treated as one complete gameweek in the game.
Maybe the software would have struggled with it.

Shedite27 · 16-12-2020 12:03am

At the very least, Fulham V Chelsea on the Friday should be part of the midweek GW18 rather than the weekend GW19. Seems like they’ve given them a double and blank for no good reason.

Benimar · 16-12-2020 12:12am

Ace2007 wrote: »

I agree that it serves no purpose at all, and shows the strength of the TV companies, and the the FA/PL will bow to any pressure. If this was planned, it would have been set in stone from the off, instead of clearing stating there was no winter break. Why not just give everyone the week off.

We all plan for busy xmas period, and now we have 4 GW's close together, and then all of a sudden 10 teams are not playing in a GW.

For those who have used their FH, TC or BB even, they have been put at a disadvantage with a slight change in the goalposts. As you say Shedite, this DGW is not to clear a backlog of games or to move games because of a cup. It's purely because of TV companies.

Whose to say this won't happen again come week 30 for instance?

From the FF POV would it not make sense to just move off Games in GW18 to GW19, and have a free week? We've seen from last year that they can change the rules as they like for unexpected events.

In fairness this was flagged at the start of the season. The idea is to have games for the TV companies to have access to games both midweeks.

The FPL website made it clear there would be games moved, we just didn’t know which ones until today.

Ace2007 · 16-12-2020 12:22am

Benimar wrote: »

In fairness this was flagged at the start of the season. The idea is to have games for the TV companies to have access to games both midweeks.

The FPL website made it clear there would be games moved, we just didn’t know which ones until today.

The official website calls them 18a and 18b.
It doesn’t say anywhere what games would be moved or that there would be a DGW.

And why is it not possible given the situation that we don’t just have a blank GW18 for FF and all games in a DGW - would that not make a lot more sense?

Benimar · 16-12-2020 12:26am

Ace2007 wrote: »

The official website calls them 18a and 18b.
It doesn’t say anywhere what games would be moved or that there would be a DGW.

And why is it not possible given the situation that we don’t just have a blank GW18 for FF and all games in a DGW - would that not make a lot more sense?

I can’t find the link now, but it was announced before the season started that this was going to be the situation. FPL made it clear that they would treat it as two separate weeks (so there would be 38 GWs) and the games moved would create a double in GW19.

I’m actually a bit surprised that people didn’t know this. I’ve seen it mentioned a few times on other FF related sites and assumed it was fairly common knowledge.

sheroman01 · 16-12-2020 2:12am

The three L’s looking like good DGW picks - Leicester, Liverpool and Leeds.

Klonker · 16-12-2020 10:06am

Morzadec wrote: »

With so many teams having a blank then followed by a double, loading up on DGWers and then using a FH in the BGW probably seems the best play on first view?

Currently I have 9 players from the group that blanks/doubles and 6 from the group that doesn't. So think FH to cover the blank GW18 makes most sense...

Then again we're all going to want our FH for the blanks/doubles at the end of the season so not really sure if there's another way to navigate this!

I think I'll do like this, Free Hit for the BGW and load up in advance for the DGW and use Bench Boost.

Shedite27 · 16-12-2020 11:56am

Just looking through the calendar, to see how much messiness we need to contend with this year:

Still have DGW's from GW1 for 4 teams Man City, Man U, Burnley, Villa - Could fit in as DGW26 or DGW37
GW26 clashes with League Cup Final - nothing midweek so league fixtures could be moved to the following Wed and stay in same GW
BGW28 for whoever makes the FA Cup QF - international window after so will need to be accommodated elsewhere (possibly in GW26 also)
GW32 clashes with the FA Cup SF - nothing midweek so league fixtures could be moved to the following Wed and stay in same GW
GW37 clashes with the FA Cup Final - nothing midweek so league fixtures could be moved to the following Wed and stay in same GW

So points 2, 4, and 5 should have no impact on BGW/DGW's. Looks like the fixture guys have it fairly well lined up, so that each time a Cup game potentially clashes with the League game, they've left the following midweek free from fixtures (incl Europe). So there is no need for Blanks and Doubles for anything apart from GW28 (FA Cup QF), when there's an international window after it.

I suspect DGW26 will be as big as DGW19, and it's anyone's guess what happens if any of MU/MC/AV/Burnley make it to the FA Cup Final - they'd likely be on some European midweek.

TL:DR - there's an equally big BGW likely in GW28, and equally big DGW in one of 26/37

Morzadec · 16-12-2020 12:28pm

Klonker wrote: »

I think I'll do like this, Free Hit for the BGW and load up in advance for the DGW and use Bench Boost.

Yeah looking a this too. Doesn't necessarily need to be 15 DGWers either as the likes of City and Spurs have nice single fixtures in the DGW.

I have 6 SGWers currently and I've identified 4 that I'd like to probably phase out in advance of the blank/double, for a combination of having a bad single and a bad lead in to the doubles.

This is where you need to balance the reward of the double GW with the risk of tearing up your team or focussing all your transfers on preparing for the blank/double. Ignoring the blank/double will kill you, but getting too obsessed with it and throwing everything into it rarely pays off either.

For example the likes of KDB (Palace at home), and Kane (Sheffield away) both have great lead-ins to the blanks/doubles and a fixture in the double where they could potentially outscore many doublers, so they might be players we want to buy/keep

Shedite27 · 16-12-2020 11:12pm

Injurys pending, think I'll be looking at Grealish, Son, DCL and 13 DGW'ers for the Bench Boost

Ace2007 · 16-12-2020 11:14pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Injurys pending, think I'll be looking at Grealish, Son, DCL and 13 DGW'ers for the Bench Boost

Where you get the 16 man chip? :P

extra gravy · 16-12-2020 11:30pm

Don't think I'll be free hitting for the blank, have two Villa, two City and Wilson and will probably add Son. The fixtures aren't appealing and it just feels like a waste if you have have the template players already. I'll use transfers between then and now to focus on dwgk teams.

Shedite27 · 16-12-2020 11:40pm

Just looking through the fixtures, Newcastle V Villa got cancelled a few weeks back. Both play GW18 midweek and have nothing the following midweek. Surely the obvious thing would be to put that game in there. That would give both of those teams a game in 18 AND a double in 19.

Villa also have another backlog game to get played so seems a no brainier to catch one of them up

F1ngers · 16-12-2020 11:47pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

Just looking through the fixtures, Newcastle V Villa got cancelled a few weeks back. Both play GW18 midweek and have nothing the following midweek. Surely the obvious thing would be to put that game in there. That would give both of those teams a game in 18 AND a double in 19.

Villa also have another backlog game to get played so seems a no brainier to catch one of them up

Winter break, defeats the purpose by scheduling a game.

Shedite27 · 16-12-2020 11:56pm

F1ngers wrote: »

Winter break, defeats the purpose by scheduling a game.

There’s no winter break this year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53767120

Looking at it again, all the teams that had a GW1 blank, have a blank GW18. Makes more sense to play those games off then, as the Manchester clubs will be in Europe later in the season

Ace2007 · 16-12-2020 11:58pm

F1ngers wrote: »

Winter break, defeats the purpose by scheduling a game.

I may be wrong but I it's not necessarily a winter break. It's more TV companies moving the games, as the PL clearly came out and said they were scrapping the winter break. So if there is room for those games to be played i'd say there is a chance they will be.

F1ngers · 17-12-2020 12:21am

Shedite27 wrote: »

There’s no winter break this year
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53767120

Can't seem to get the winter break idea out of my head.

dsmythy · 17-12-2020 1:11am

extra gravy wrote: »

Don't think I'll be free hitting for the blank, have two Villa, two City and Wilson and will probably add Son. The fixtures aren't appealing and it just feels like a waste if you have have the template players already. I'll use transfers between then and now to focus on dwgk teams.

There will be the usual blank double combo deeper into the season too. Depends on how someone's team looks now compared to the coming known blanks and doubles.

Also have to consider who has doubles and who they are playing. Are they better than your average double or worse? Will the next double have better teams.playing worse teams?

God I have to look at my team now after saying all this.

skippy15 · 17-12-2020 1:20am

Think will just free hit the first week and build up to second dgw then use wildcard bench boost combo later in the season,

ThunbergsAreGo · 17-12-2020 9:09am

skippy15 wrote: »

Think will just free hit the first week and build up to second dgw then use wildcard bench boost combo later in the season,

Its a bit of an intersting wrinkle though that the players that had blank GW1 are mostly the first week so could we end up with (City as an example)

GW18 Skinny 1 City
GW19 DGW 1 City
GW20 Standard 1 City
GW21 GW1 Games added 2 City

So building towards GW19 could end up with a very early wildcard to catch the GW1 doubles. Like you want to sell Villa for DGW but then want them back in for a hypothetical GW21

eh i dunno · 17-12-2020 10:26am

Think I'll build towards having 10 players for gw18 and then wildcard for gw19. Is that the best solution with my freehit used?

Ginger n Lemon · 17-12-2020 10:41am

eh i dunno wrote: »

Think I'll build towards having 10 players for gw18 and then wildcard for gw19. Is that the best solution with my freehit used?

I am thinking about same strategy but do have a question - can you use triple captain chip same week you are wildcarding?

mamax · 17-12-2020 10:58am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am thinking about same strategy but do have a question - can you use triple captain chip same week you are wildcarding?

Just curious are you planning on wildcarding before xmas?

F1ngers · 17-12-2020 11:22am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am thinking about same strategy but do have a question - can you use triple captain chip same week you are wildcarding?

https://fantasy.premierleague.com/help/rules

Ginger n Lemon · 17-12-2020 11:49am

mamax wrote: »

Just curious are you planning on wildcarding before xmas?

Ive wildcarded after GW3.

Thinking of 2nd wildcard but now that I think about it, it is pretty dramatic to wildcard for fixtures... will see closer to the time.

Jim Gazebo · 17-12-2020 11:55am

Might sit down and have a look at this properly later. At a glance I didn't see many standout double games to target. Maybe city?

CSF · 17-12-2020 12:26pm

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Might sit down and have a look at this properly later. At a glance I didn't see many standout double games to target. Maybe city?

I think my plan is to bank my transfer this weekend which will give me an extra week to put a plan together with the exact same amount of transfers to do so.

In the past, I’ve pulled my team apart too much chasing Blank and Double Gameweeks, and this year I’m determined to only make changes that I’m confident will be an overall benefit.

One strategy I’ve looked at is transferring out my 2nd Villa goalkeeper for a playing goalkeeper with a double. Ideally for someone who has good fixtures post Stephen’s Day when Martinez’s fixtures become bad also. 2 birds 1 stone kind of thing.

Rikand · 17-12-2020 12:30pm

Have 9 players with a dgw in week 19 but only 5 players with a sgw in week 18. I think I'll free hit in 18 and every week from now until 19 bring in a player a week that has a dgw. Aim to have 12-13 dgws and bench boost in 19

siblers · 17-12-2020 12:57pm

Was going to free hit for gw18 but the fixtures aren't great. Apart from City V Brighton, lot of the games could be quite tight

Shanotheslayer · 17-12-2020 12:58pm

siblers wrote: »

Apart from City V Brighton, lot of the games could be quite tight

Including City V Brighton

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