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  • #1742
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Opinion is one thing, insult and attacking other posters another.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1743
    Rothko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Wait, seriously? I thought that was part of the joke? You’d call yourself “fat” and say “women are all bitches” as a sort of ‘it’s ok, I’m a womxn’ parody. Missed that one completely.

    What an utterly odd comment.


  • #1744
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,003 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    CA has the same problems it always has, two of them.

    Firstly, reregs last way too long before they get banned.

    Secondly, there is way too much leniency given to posters who just post bad faith nonsense.

    It's crazy to see somebody in the prison forum and the mod there listing out how they've had X number of threadbans, x number of forum bans, and x number of site bans in the last 6 months or whatever. It shouldn't need to take that long before a sh!tposter gets booted off the site.


  • #1745
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Would be nice to hear some mods views and opinions of the thread.
    You guys are the ones sifting through reports and witnessing directions threads on CA tend to go.


  • #1746
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Rothko wrote: »
    What an utterly odd comment.

    How so, R? You don’t believe there are men on this site who are using a female “persona”?

    It’s quite common on the internet. Some engage in something called “catfishing”, there’s even a tv show about that, some do it to get points across unchallenged. Sure some, even, create a gay persona so they can get away with “disparaging” remarks about the LGBTQIA+ community.

    I, wrongly, assumed that the user in question was, jokingly, “pretending” to be a female user. I mean, it’s not illegal. Just thought they were having a laugh with it.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #1747
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Kivaro wrote: »
    It is a possibility that it was a deliberate misdirection by Necro. I was surprised by Necro's multiple bannings, as it looked like he woke up with a sick head and went berserk with the ban hammer. I immediately went to the Help Desk and Feedback forum to see if there was anything on these bannings, as a number of them were dubious to say the least.

    Unfortunately, I've seen all of this before with the old Politics Cafe forum and the self-destruction that occurred on there by just 2 mods. It was hard work by everyone to finally get the new Current Affairs set up, and it generally seems to be working out well.

    But there is a process now, so if any of you want to appeal the bans, the Help Desk is the place to go, and to be fair, that process seems to be impartial and well managed. And yes, follow Wibbs' advice above.

    I was the one that proposed it & I wouldn't never of done so had I envisaged what a Cesspit it would become.

    I am no fan of Mods in general or over moderation but CA needs closing not moderating. The only positives seem to be that it concentrates all the undesirables in one place.


  • #1748
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,571 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Discodog wrote: »
    I was the one that proposed it & I wouldn't never of done so had I envisaged what a Cesspit it would become.

    I am no fan of Mods in general or over moderation but CA needs closing not moderating. The only positives seem to be that it concentrates all the undesirables in one place.

    What way did yo envisage it would be vs the way it is now?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • #1749
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    TheValeyard wrote: »
    What way did yo envisage it would be vs the way it is now?

    I hoped for a light hearted, good natured discussion of current affairs. After Hours for news.


  • #1750
    Rothko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    How so, R? You don’t believe there are men on this site who are using a female “persona”?

    It’s quite common on the internet. Some engage in something called “catfishing”, there’s even a tv show about that, some do it to get points across unchallenged. Sure some, even, create a gay persona so they can get away with “disparaging” remarks about the LGBTQIA+ community.

    I, wrongly, assumed that the user in question was, jokingly, “pretending” to be a female user. I mean, it’s not illegal. Just thought they were having a laugh with it.

    You knew full well that that poster was a woman. Don't pretend otherwise. That's all I'm going to say on it.


  • #1751
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Rothko wrote: »
    You knew full well that that poster was a woman. Don't pretend otherwise. That's all I'm going to say on it.

    No, I was under the impression they were “pretending”. I thought I made that clear in my, above, post.

    Glad that’s all you have to say, it’s taking the thread “off topic” and feedback on the ‘Current Affairs’ forum is more important, and more interesting, that whether a user is a man or, indeed, a womxn.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • #1752
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,513 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    osarusan wrote: »

    Firstly, reregs last way too long before they get banned.

    On this specific point, there is no rule against re-registering. We see a lot of long-term posters close their accounts and start again. A low post count does not equate to troll, and we will not ban simply because someone thinks a poster is a re-reg

    We will of course ban if it's a re-reg of a banned poster. We need evidence of a link though. Often that evidence is already in our hands with some of the tools we have. If we cannot make a link though we need to either wait until one emerges, or treat a poster based on their record under the current account

    If someone reports a poster as a re-reg, it would of course be helpful if they give a reason as to why, and indeed who they think it is a re-reg of. That allows us to narrow our investigation as we will not ban on suspicion alone


  • #1753
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Discodog wrote: »
    I was the one that proposed it & I wouldn't never of done so had I envisaged what a Cesspit it would become.

    I am no fan of Mods in general or over moderation but CA needs closing not moderating. The only positives seem to be that it concentrates all the undesirables in one place.
    Well just looking at the Currently Active on CA and it has 500 odd, whereas AH has 150. That's quite a bit of popularity and traffic to a forum apparently full of "undesirables".

    Does it have issues? Of course, any such forum will have. That doesn't mean it can't be improved.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1754
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Beasty wrote: »
    If someone reports a poster as a re-reg, it would of course be helpful if they give a reason as to why, and indeed who they think it is a re-reg of. That allows us to narrow our investigation as we will not ban on suspicion alone
    +1 Over time I'd get reports of reregs by PM or reported post and a lot of the time someone just says "rereg" and unless it's one of the obvious "Here's a video from 'Merica about how to pickup women/chore sex" type you'd have little to go on.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1755
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Does it have issues? Of course, any such forum will have. That doesn't mean it can't be improved.
    On this front and rather than just fire out problems, one solution I'd propose is a hardline attitude to sniping at other posters. Nip that in the bud and threads would go a lot more smoothly. Make people agree to disagree. I've caught myself doing it and mea culpa, but there's no excuse for it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #1756
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Well just looking at the Currently Active on CA and it has 500 odd, whereas AH has 150. That's quite a bit of popularity and traffic to a forum apparently full of "undesirables".

    Does it have issues? Of course, any such forum will have. That doesn't mean it can't be improved.

    I didn't say "full of". It has dozens of pages of issues & it's to Board's credit that it's not closed.

    One thing to it's credit is the way it can expose posters. I am discovering that posters, I would of respected from other fora, have some rather nasty opinions.


  • #1757
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Discodog wrote: »
    I was the one that proposed it & I wouldn't never of done so had I envisaged what a Cesspit it would become.

    I am no fan of Mods in general or over moderation but CA needs closing not moderating. The only positives seem to be that it concentrates all the undesirables in one place.

    Sounds like when Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet.
    It's just that I don't recall you when a number of us worked on getting a viable solution in place for PCv2. The fact that you want it shut down is very odd. I mean, the whole forum is now a Cesspit that "concentrates all the undesirables in one place"? That generalisation is very strange; almost like segregation.

    Anyway, there are a cohort of posters who regularly demand threads deleted or shut down because it does not suit their narrative. It should be noted that Boards whole raison d'être is to facilitate discussion, so I cannot imagine that Current Affairs will be shut down anytime soon.


  • #1758
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Sounds like when Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet.
    It's just that I don't recall you when a number of us worked on getting a viable solution in place for PCv2. The fact that you want it shut down is very odd. I mean, the whole forum is now a Cesspit that "concentrates all the undesirables in one place"? That generalisation is very strange; almost like segregation.

    Anyway, there are a cohort of posters who regularly demand threads deleted or shut down because it does not suit their narrative. It should be noted that Boards whole raison d'être is to facilitate discussion, so I cannot imagine that Current Affairs will be shut down anytime soon.

    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057860148

    Facilitating discussion has to be within the basic Boards rules of decency & mutual respect. By undesirables I clearly mean those who are incapable of this.

    There could easily be a point where it becomes too much effort & consumes too much time to justify it's existence.


  • #1759
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm a long time browser and just an occasional poster, but I'm amazed at the latitude that seems to be given to obvious WUM's in CA forums. Given that no-one on here has to pay to post, I'd be using the ban hammer after a couple of warnings about "Don't be a dick." The lengths the mods and admins seem to go through to decide if someone should be banned seems crazy.

    Though, it does lend itself to the occasional funny prison story.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058083598


  • #1760
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,003 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    but I'm amazed at the latitude that seems to be given to obvious WUM's in CA forums. Given that no-one on here has to pay to post, I'd be using the ban hammer after a couple of warnings about "Don't be a dick." The lengths the mods and admins seem to go through to decide if someone should be banned seems crazy.
    Agree completely. It's obvious after as few as 50 posts or so that somebody has no interest in disucssion and will not respond to posts, and instead is just going post bad faith crap and/or bang a particular drum relentlessly.


  • #1761
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,117 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    osarusan wrote: »
    Agree completely. It's obvious after as few as 50 posts or so that somebody has no interest in disucssion and will not respond to posts, and instead is just going post bad faith crap and/or bang a particular drum relentlessly.

    Totally agree. It amazes me how posters will have a long list of similar transgressions but still be allowed to continue.


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  • #1762
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Discodog wrote: »
    Totally agree. It amazes me how posters will have a long list of similar transgressions but still be allowed to continue.

    Then when they, finally, get “caught out” they start bawling away about being “targeted”.

    Even going so far as to starting threads in the ‘Dispute Resolution’ forum mewling about “persecution”.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #1763
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Discodog wrote: »
    Totally agree. It amazes me how posters will have a long list of similar transgressions but still be allowed to continue.

    Put them ignore if that's the case ,cant see boards going for mass bans just because people don't want to play nice ,
    Seen it on the gender identity thread ,bans going one way yet others who have a certain pro stance , refusing to answer even basic questions instead they play a game of chasing their own Tails ,then resorting to name calling
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  • #1764
    Invidious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Invidious


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Anyway, there are a cohort of posters who regularly demand threads deleted or shut down because it does not suit their narrative. It should be noted that Boards whole raison d'être is to facilitate discussion, so I cannot imagine that Current Affairs will be shut down anytime soon.

    There's a cohort of posters who claim not to be able to stand the CA/IMHO forum, refer to it as a "cesspit," and yet are drawn to it like moths to a flame.

    If you can't stand it, don't read it. Don't campaign for it to be closed down, as some here are doing.


  • #1765
    .anon.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭.anon.


    Beasty wrote: »
    If someone reports a poster as a re-reg, it would of course be helpful if they give a reason as to why, and indeed who they think it is a re-reg of. That allows us to narrow our investigation as we will not ban on suspicion alone

    I'm good at spotting a re-reg (from their writing style, the opinions they express, the topics they post about, the forums they frequent, etc), but I don't like reporting them. Nine times out of ten, the exact behaviour that got them banned in the first place will get them banned again anyway. And if it doesn't, well then fair play to them for being smart enough to either change their behaviour or fly under the radar.


  • #1766
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    How so, R? You don’t believe there are men on this site who are using a female “persona”? It’s quite common on the internet. Some engage in something called “catfishing”, there’s even a tv show about that, some do it to get points across unchallenged. Sure some, even, create a gay persona so they can get away with “disparaging” remarks about the LGBTQIA+ community. I, wrongly, assumed that the user in question was, jokingly, “pretending” to be a female user. I mean, it’s not illegal. Just thought they were having a laugh with it.

    There are a lot of men on this Site posing as women.


  • #1767
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    There are a lot of men on this Site posing as women.

    Did you just assume their gender


  • #1768
    a_squirrelman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm a long time browser and just an occasional poster, but I'm amazed at the latitude that seems to be given to obvious WUM's in CA forums. Given that no-one on here has to pay to post, I'd be using the ban hammer after a couple of warnings about "Don't be a dick." The lengths the mods and admins seem to go through to decide if someone should be banned seems crazy.

    Though, it does lend itself to the occasional funny prison story.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058083598

    Thank you so much for this, that was a hilarious read. :D


  • #1769
    Dial Hard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Overheal wrote: »
    Did you just assume their gender

    In fairness, that kind of thing is very easy to spot at times.


  • #1770
    McHardcore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    There are a lot of men on this Site posing as women.


    You sound disappointed. :)


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  • #1771
    McHardcore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭McHardcore


    Invidious wrote: »
    There's a cohort of posters who claim not to be able to stand the CA/IMHO forum, refer to it as a "cesspit," and yet are drawn to it like moths to a flame.

    Ive come to the conclusion that Current Affairs/IMHO is needed as it pulls away a large proportion of the toxic topics from spoiling and spreading through the rest of the forum. Every now and again some fuel is needed to be tossed in there in the form of a controversial viewpoint to keep the posters occupied.


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