Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 04:51PM

km991148 wrote: »

It doesn't tolerate - It actively encourages via suggestion engines and recommendations. The crazy woke heads aren't the only ones given this sort of platform, the extreme right views are the same. Its all primed to keep people within their bubbles. That wasn't the intention of course, the mere side effect of these aggressive advertising platforms.

I was attempting to allude this, but yes, in essence it is just a free for all of idealistic shight.

For example there is nothing stopping me starting a twitter feed about Big Red Fire Engines and its' overuse as a safe word in kinky sex games. This can then be picked up by a journalist in the Daily Mail who continues to release on article on how not enough people are involving themselves in kinky sex games because the safe word " Big Red Fire Engine" is deemed to be an inappropriate generic term to use... as there is currently a deficit of Black male fire officers who are moonlighting as strippers on a Saturday night. Or some other vague connection that I am too lazy to garner.

You get the picture, basically online communication can annihilate the degrees of separation from 6 to zero in a couple of clicks.

Before you know it children are banned from bringing Red Fire Engine toys to school or to their friend's house and the term itself becomes taboo and incites hatred amongst the asexual community as it is an aggressive symbol of sexual activity. That's before any mention of horns or sirens.

Before you know they will be painting Fire Engines yellow, just in case.

storker · 15-12-2020 05:25PM

biko wrote: »

If something like this gains traction things could go pear-shaped big time.

Great news in one sense - the more of this nonsense that gets put out there, the sooner the public in general will start to ignore it, and similar foolishness. It's one thing to feel pressure to be more tolerant, it's quite another to damage your own kids just to satisfy someone else's lunatic-fringe agenda.

Unfortunately, because such people seem to have zero sense of where to stop, they're likely to encourage a backlash that could undo some of the good work that has been achieved in trans rights.

Mickey_James · 15-12-2020 05:28PM

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-12-2020 05:34PM

storker wrote: »

Great news in one sense - the more of this nonsense that gets put out there, the sooner the public in general will start to ignore it, and similar foolishness. It's one thing to feel pressure to be more tolerant, it's quite another to damage your own kids just to satisfy someone else's lunatic-fringe agenda.

Unfortunately, because such people seem to have zero sense of where to stop, they're likely to encourage a backlash that could undo some of the good work that has been achieved in trans rights.

A rational person could probably argue that the article in question was likely written in order to try and encourage a backlash against trans rights.....

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-12-2020 05:34PM

Geuze wrote: »

Has this been posted here already?

Gardening/horticulture is racist.

https://twitter.com/Botanygeek/status/1337692740268777473

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://twitter.com/erinnthered/status/1337808959151906816

I need to lie down in a darkened room after reading these tweets. I cannot fathom having such an easy life that THIS is what they are fretting about. It’s like they’re speaking another language to me. Mr. Wong seems blissfully unaware of how much his tweet underlines how deeply privileged he is. He doesn’t know he’s born.

sbsquarepants · 15-12-2020 05:39PM

biko wrote: »

If something like this gains traction things could go pear-shaped big time.

Has to be a wind up?

Danzy · 15-12-2020 05:45PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I need to lie down in a darkened room after reading these tweets. I cannot fathom having such an easy life that THIS is what they are fretting about. It’s like they’re speaking another language to me. Mr. Wong seems blissfully unaware of how much his tweet underlines how deeply privileged he is. He doesn’t know he’s born.

Saw a person talking about leaving the modern left, progressive movements.

She called them Joy Eaters.

That's what they are, they are only satisfied when they are complaining and condemning.

NIMAN · 15-12-2020 06:01PM

Mickey_James wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

Sweet Jesus, did he really say that?

EmmetSpiceland · 15-12-2020 06:12PM

Mickey_James wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

Nothing wrong with that, is there? Maybe he could have “name-checked” the Enbies but, I guess, he wanted a broader form of inclusion.

silverharp · 15-12-2020 06:22PM

according to BLM enthusiasts in the US, having a family and doing rational science is white supremacy

https://twitter.com/markhumphrys/status/1338894321815318534

15-12-2020 06:45PM

Mickey_James wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

Watching Sky One last night and the voiceover said, ''right lads and lassies and non-binary pals, next up is The Simpsons''.

It's next level stuff.

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 06:49PM

silverharp wrote: »

according to BLM enthusiasts in the US, having a family and doing rational science is white supremacy

https://twitter.com/markhumphrys/status/1338894321815318534

Epitomises inverse racism.

It is essentially taking a hammer and sickle to modern lifestyle choices in the States and disguising the " nit picking ":p as isolating racism.

This concept of inherent racism is phucking garbage, but they are hoping to use it as a catalyst for socio and economic change - even in the UK - at they are hoping it is at the expense of the middle class which they are insinuating is predominantly white.

It makes me seethe to be honest, as it is blatant mud slinging at normal people who are just getting on with their lives. Shaming people with having " protestant work ethic " because they have a successful career is rotten behaviour and is an endemic failure in any culture which is choosing to prolapse another via casting aspersions on their lifestyle. It is actually quite inciteful and I would love to know where it is being spewed from?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-12-2020 07:03PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

So the silent majority need to speak out about an article written about one person's crap thoughts - which was written specifically to get people like Biko to get outraged about it - and generate clicks etc. Nah, its just triggerbait for the angry bais.

We had outrage from many high profile commentators at the decision of the UK high court that under 16s can’t consent to puberty blockers and that even older teenagers need special permission. So whilst the view in that particular newspaper article might be on the extreme end, let’s not pretend that it’s a very esoteric viewpoint. There are high profile British journalists and academics supporting and organising an appeal against the Keira Bell verdict as we speak.

15-12-2020 07:17PM

storker wrote: »

Great news in one sense - the more of this nonsense that gets put out there, the sooner the public in general will start to ignore it, and similar foolishness. It's one thing to feel pressure to be more tolerant, it's quite another to damage your own kids just to satisfy someone else's lunatic-fringe agenda.

Unfortunately, because such people seem to have zero sense of where to stop, they're likely to encourage a backlash that could undo some of the good work that has been achieved in trans rights.

Not really. This is just one or a few people saying such a thing, and it's easily dismissed as such. It's testing the water to see how many would support such an initiative, gauging support.

It's like when feminists promoted the slogans of "all men are rapists" or "kill all men"... it's passed off as being the extremists of the movement, and not representative of the mainstream.. until it gains enough support, and then it becomes accepted. Gradually, over time, we've seen society become more tolerant of these kind of slogans, with there being less obvious opposition, building support, and spreading into mainstream media/society... (passed off as a joke, until it can be said, in all seriousness, without any retaliation)

The only way there will be any real blowback against the Trans movement, is when (not if) they apply these ideas to kids, and a generation later, we can point to the destroyed lives as proof that it's a terrible idea. Unfortunately, it'll require the destruction of innocent people for that to happen.

Until then, it and other insane ideas, will continue to float around on the borders, gaining acceptance, until it gets enough support to be implemented. It's the way US and internet society has gone, which ultimately affects the rest of the western societies.

AllForIt · 15-12-2020 07:40PM

Mickey_James wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

Really gets on my nerves when anyone talks like that, but I'm talking about the assumption that every child in the country is into team sports, county or otherwise as much as the gender stuff. I've never watched a whole GAA match in my life or any team sport. It's funny how he's so conscious of gender varieties but thinks there are no people who aren't into GAA. I am into other sports lest anyone thinks I'm anti-sport.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-12-2020 07:42PM

Mickey_James wrote: »

Donal Og Cusack on Sunday pre All Ireland final: "Every boy and girl and every gender in between will be looking forward to the match"

I’m fine with that , no harm, I’d be concerned “ the in between” are exposed to bullying while the wokies are ****e talkin in the media

Snickers Man · 15-12-2020 07:42PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Heard a new one on the radio today, recently coined by The Guardian.

"Gayface" is when a straight actor plays a flamboyant gay character and is the LGBT equivalent to an act of Blackface.

I don't think the Guardian has "coined" that particular term, to be honest. From a search of their website, they acknowledge that it exists but from the way they use it they do not seem to have endorsed it as a term to be used without further qualification.

I much prefer Eric Stonestreet's (he's the straight actor who plays one half of the gay couple Cameron and Mitchell on Modern Family) description of his role as being "only gay for pay".

Incidentally, for people of my generation Cameron Mitchell was an actor who played the very macho Buck Cannon in the western series The High Chaparral. Was this a deliberate reference by the writers of Modern Family, I wonder?

Ash.J.Williams · 15-12-2020 07:44PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

I don't think the Guardian has "coined" that particular term, to be honest. From a search of their website, they acknowledge that it exists but from the way they use it they do not seem to have endorsed it as a term to be used without further qualification.

I much prefer Eric Stonestreet's (he's the straight actor who plays one half of the gay couple Cameron and Mitchell on Modern Family) description of his role as being "only gay for pay".

Incidentally, for people of my generation Cameron Mitchell was an actor who played the very macho Buck Cannon in the western series The High Chaparral. Was this a deliberate reference by the writers of Modern Family, I wonder?

Gay for pay is ancient porn term

IAMAMORON · 15-12-2020 07:45PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Gay for pay is ancient porn term

Get paid ....get laid.

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-12-2020 07:51PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

We had outrage from many high profile commentators at the decision of the UK high court that under 16s can’t consent to puberty blockers and that even older teenagers need special permission. So whilst the view in that particular newspaper article might be on the extreme end, let’s not pretend that it’s a very esoteric viewpoint. There are high profile British journalists and academics supporting and organising an appeal against the Keira Bell verdict as we speak.

Whoa now, so you reckon that a campaign to allow trans teens to consent to taking these blockers is in line with some crackpot saying that ALL teens should be given them regardless of whether they want them or not?

I would say that you are being dramatic. Very dramatic.

AllForIt · 15-12-2020 08:11PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Heard a new one on the radio today, recently coined by The Guardian.

"Gayface" is when a straight actor plays a flamboyant gay character and is the LGBT equivalent to an act of Blackface.

I think this is in reference to an article recently written by a gay Guardian opinionist about a current movie staring James Corden who is receiving criticism for his depiction of a gay man because he comes across stereotypical camp.

What is so ridiculous about this is if you watch the trailer the movie is as camp as Christmas in the first place. It's reminds me of the TV series Glee where a group of people would just spontaneously burst into song and dance. Not my thing at all.

Camp gays and even camp straights do exist, and exactly the area you will find them is anything to do with the theatre, the arts, dance, television etc. So rather than Corden acting inappropriately he couldn't have done it more appropriately. If he did it badly that's a different question altogether. He was obviously cast not just for his acting ability but because he's huge in the states. It would be ridiculous to have a gay version of Jason Statham doing it, that's what would be unrealistic given the type of movie it is.

As I said in the lgbt forum this complaint is like something you'd hear in the 1990's. There are loads of gay characters in soaps these days and the wider populace don't need to be given lessons by Hollywood about what gay men are like in real life as if everyone still things every gay man is as camp as tits. God I despise The Guardian and their constant bs.

Ash.J.Williams · 15-12-2020 08:25PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I think this is in reference to an article recently written by a gay Guardian opinionist about a current movie staring James Corden who is receiving criticism for his depiction of a gay man because he comes across stereotypical camp.

What is so ridiculous about this is if you watch the trailer the movie is as camp as Christmas in the first place. It's reminds me of the TV series Glee where a group of people would just spontaneously burst into song and dance. Not my thing at all.

Camp gays and even camp straights do exist, and exactly the area you will find them is anything to do with the theatre, the arts, dance, television etc. So rather than Corden acting inappropriately he couldn't have done it more appropriately. If he did it badly that's a different question altogether. He was obviously cast not just for his acting ability but because he's huge in the states. It would be ridiculous to have a gay version of Jason Statham doing it, that's what would be unrealistic given the type of movie it is.

As I said in the lgbt forum this complaint is like something you'd hear in the 1990's. There are loads of gay characters in soaps these days and the wider populace don't need to be given lessons by Hollywood about what gay men are like in real life as if everyone still things every gay man is as camp as tits. God I despise The Guardian and their constant bs.

As the old saying goes “it’s called acting dear boy”

Edit
Although exception made for cordon:)

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 15-12-2020 08:31PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Whoa now, so you reckon that a campaign to allow trans teens to consent to taking these blockers is in line with some crackpot saying that ALL teens should be given them regardless of whether they want them or not?

I would say that you are being dramatic. Very dramatic.

I don’t think I’m being dramatic at all. The prescription of puberty blockers is deeply unethical - it’s an off-label use which by its very definition means that the requisite testing hasn’t been done for that use, and if you can outline a way to run an ethical medical trial for this use, I’m all ears - and strongly disagreeing with curtailment of their use (as some high profile commentators have been) is very suspect. Teenagers can’t give proper consent for a drug that has unstudied effects. It’s different from taking a drug where the alternative is certain death such as a cancer drug. The cost-benefit analysis doesn’t support the use of PBs especially as the Tavistock clinic itself admitted that suicide risk in GD teens is low.

Paint me as hysterical or overdramatic all you want. It’s such a transparent tactic. I’m not cowed by it.

15-12-2020 08:32PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Whoa now, so you reckon that a campaign to allow trans teens to consent to taking these blockers is in line with some crackpot saying that ALL teens should be given them regardless of whether they want them or not?

I would say that you are being dramatic. Very dramatic.

I disagree. It's a stepping point. The next step is for an external body or some authority to assign blockers.

We need to be clear from the outset that this is a terrible idea. Which it is. But sadly, we won't.

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-12-2020 08:50PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I don’t think I’m being dramatic at all. The prescription of puberty blockers is deeply unethical - it’s an off-label use which by its very definition means that the requisite testing hasn’t been done for that use, and if you can outline a way to run an ethical medical trial for this use, I’m all ears - and strongly disagreeing with curtailment of their use (as some high profile commentators have been) is very suspect. Teenagers can’t give proper consent for a drug that has unstudied effects. It’s different from taking a drug where the alternative is certain death such as a cancer drug. The cost-benefit analysis doesn’t support the use of PBs especially as the Tavistock clinic itself admitted that suicide risk in GD teens is low.

Paint me as hysterical or overdramatic all you want. It’s such a transparent tactic. I’m not cowed by it.

I will paint you as both hysterical and overdramatic, and justifiably in my view, this is why - because I disagreed with your reply to my post, you automatically presume that I agree that puberty blockers should be given to kids, and also that I agree that they should be able to provide their consent for same. But you presume wrong.

I totally agree that this stuff, when given to people below the age of consent is wreckless, I don't completely understand the technical ends of it so I won't pretend that I do.

I don't think they should be available to teens or anyone below the age of consent, and I don't think that kids have the capacity to genuinely consent to these things, that's my view. (and yours also, it's also quite likely the prevailing view across the board, but don't let this thread fool you)

Your more extreme view that, because there is a campaign to overturn the court ruling - that means that ALL teens, regardless of their orientation will be forced to take puberty blockers until they make up their minds - is, quite frankly, hysterical and overdramatic. Call it a tactic, a smear, a ruse, a trick, a flimflam, whatever, that's just admitting to losing an argument before you've even had it

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-12-2020 08:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I disagree. It's a stepping point. The next step is for an external body or some authority to assign blockers.

We need to be clear from the outset that this is a terrible idea. Which it is. But sadly, we won't.

Stepping point my hole, that's horseshīt, frankly.

That's the aul gay marriage argument "sure what's next, lads marrying horses wha?"

Sir Oxman · 15-12-2020 09:10PM

V8 Interceptor · 15-12-2020 09:18PM

First it was Chuculainn, then Beethoven, now its Anne Boylen. Who'll be next? My money's on Michael Collins.

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Mickey_James · 15-12-2020 09:22PM

(Vicar of Dibley video)

What an insufferable tool.

The horror show of George Floyds murder? The man was a crook and was resisting arrest. If he did what he was told he'd be alive today.

15-12-2020 09:22PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Stepping point my hole, that's horseshīt, frankly.

That's the aul gay marriage argument "sure what's next, lads marrying horses wha?"

Actually, drawing parallels between gay marriage, and this is horse****.

TBH, I find it's moderate supporters of trans issues, like yourself, that are likely to cause the most damage, because you don't see any problem with the "smaller" issues, and so will support the stepping points towards greater acceptance.

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