Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

Macy0161 · 04-12-2020 10:10AM

Ryan coming up on Newstalk about cycling to school. Turned off, as I'm not sure I can handle Jonathon Healy + Newstalk texters without a few more doses of caffeine.

Macy0161 · 04-12-2020 10:15AM

sbs2010 wrote: »

That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?

It was different for each sport. It wasn't an Olympic thing, it was a split in Irish Cycling. It's covered in "The Ascent" but more thoroughly in "The Rás" by Tom Daly.

There was the NCA - 32 County; CRE/ ICF 26 County; NICF 6 County

btw Northern Athletes do effectively have the choice of Ireland or GB still. You may recall Rory McIlroy getting a load of hassle for being on the fence.

magicbastarder · 04-12-2020 10:42AM

sbs2010 wrote: »

That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?

if you think that's nuts, i assume you haven't heard about the munich olympics?
you're in for a treat:

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2020/0716/1153660-green-and-gold/

zell12 · 04-12-2020 12:00PM

Pretty positive stuff there.
Teacher who cycles to school really enthusiastic, and highlighted the horrible congested traffic crap at school gates.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/principals-warn-safe-cycle-paths-needed-to-avoid-tragedy-on-roads-1116982

cletus · 11-12-2020 06:48PM

https://news.sky.com/story/five-cyclists-on-retirement-ride-die-after-truck-hit-car-following-them-in-nevada-12157584

RIP

magicbastarder · 14-12-2020 10:35AM

Car restrictions proposed for Sandymount to accommodate new cycle way
Car restrictions, including traffic barriers, reduced parking, and one-way systems, are proposed for Dublin’s Sandymount village as mitigation measures for the new Strand Road cycle path which is due to come into operation in February.

Dublin City Council has devised plans for the Dublin 4 village to guard against its streets becoming rat runs for motorists once the two-way Strand Road cycle route, which limits traffic on the coastal road to one lane, opens.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/car-restrictions-proposed-for-sandymount-to-accommodate-new-cycle-way-1.4435727?mode=amp

Macy0161 · 14-12-2020 10:43AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

Car restrictions proposed for Sandymount to accommodate new cycle way
Car restrictions, including traffic barriers, reduced parking, and one-way systems, are proposed for Dublin’s Sandymount village as mitigation measures for the new Strand Road cycle path which is due to come into operation in February.

Just about to ring the bell and throw my ninja star - coming up now on Pat Kenny.

Hurrache · 14-12-2020 10:44AM

I literally walked into the office and Kenny was on "Car restrictions for ....to allow access for bikes", or something like that was how he framed it. Straight over to 4FM to a Robbie Williams song, still more palatable.

magicbastarder · 14-12-2020 10:49AM

a comment from a friend who lives in sandymount:
"Interesting. The road they propose blocking off is a very quiet residential one, rarely used by traffic going through Sandymount (the map makes it look more central than it is). But it is a traffic nightmare every morning and afternoon during the school year, when loads of locals drive their daughters to the national school at one end of it &#55357;&#56832;. So perhaps the residents were playing a longer game..."

check_six · 14-12-2020 11:03AM

Hurrache wrote: »

I literally walked into the office and Kenny was on "Car restrictions for ....to allow access for bikes", or something like that was how he framed it. Straight over to 4FM to a Robbie Williams song, still more palatable.

He had Mannix Flynn on giving out that 3000 responses to a public consultation was not in any way representative of, well, just him essentially. Legal action was his solution. Mad stuff!

Type 17 · 14-12-2020 11:08AM

If Strand Road is outbound only for motor traffic, and there is no turn right for inbound Merrion Rd traffic at Merrion Gates, Sidney Parade, or Sandymount Avenue, expect Serpentine Ave/Tritonville Road to be overrun with traffic - and good luck to anyone queueing to turn right at Church Avenue, to get to the East Link/Tom Clarke bridge.

Macy0161 · 14-12-2020 11:11AM

Really liked how comparing parallel cycle lanes in a cycle network to parallel roads in the road network was Cuffe expecting people to go over fields to get to their house by Kenny!

Thelonious Monk · 14-12-2020 11:19AM

I can't listen to PK any more for fear one of my eyes will burst out of its socket but I just don't get how a man his age who is so wealthy would be against more cycling in the city? What is he worried about? I thought it was supposed to appeal to middle class southsiders, something that always seems to be peddled in the media? My parents would be a similar age to Pat and are all for more cycling and still use their bikes.

buffalo · 14-12-2020 11:21AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't listen to PK any more for fear one of my eyes will burst out of its socket but I just don't get how a man his age who is so wealthy would be against more cycling in the city? What is he worried about? I thought it was supposed to appeal to middle class southsiders, something that always seems to be peddled in the media? My parents would be a similar age to Pat and are all for more cycling and still use their bikes.

But are your parents radio presenters on a right-leaning station that needs to generate content to draw in and engage/outrage listeners?

Duckjob · 14-12-2020 11:46AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't listen to PK any more for fear one of my eyes will burst out of its socket but I just don't get how a man his age who is so wealthy would be against more cycling in the city? What is he worried about? I thought it was supposed to appeal to middle class southsiders, something that always seems to be peddled in the media? My parents would be a similar age to Pat and are all for more cycling and still use their bikes.

Part of the answer to that comes if you listen to the very first thing you hear nearly every single time you open up Newstalk stream online -

"Peugeot.......BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH..... Volvo..... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...... Audi BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ..... Toyota.... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"

etc etc. PK understands very well how his bread is buttered.

plodder · 14-12-2020 11:57AM

check_six wrote: »

He had Mannix Flynn on giving out that 3000 responses to a public consultation was not in any way representative of, well, just him essentially. Legal action was his solution. Mad stuff!

It's tiresome all right and sounding so like Trump. 'The public consultation couldn't be right because the conclusion isn't what I want'.

Macy0161 · 14-12-2020 12:10PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I can't listen to PK any more for fear one of my eyes will burst out of its socket but I just don't get how a man his age who is so wealthy would be against more cycling in the city? What is he worried about? I thought it was supposed to appeal to middle class southsiders, something that always seems to be peddled in the media? My parents would be a similar age to Pat and are all for more cycling and still use their bikes.

He's a cyclist, and motorcyclist himself, as he reminded us today :rolleyes:

All these shows, like breakfast, the last word, pat kenny are reliant on people being stuck in their cars for listenership. That's why they are bias against remote working and active travel. As others have pointed out with the advertising.

They're actually a great advert for the licence fee/ public service broadcasting, as it shows the influence the need for advertising has on current affairs content.

Thelonious Monk · 14-12-2020 12:13PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

He's a cyclist, and motorcyclist himself, as he reminded us today :rolleyes:

All these shows, like breakfast, the last word, pat kenny are reliant on people being stuck in their cars for listenership. That's why they are bias against remote working and active travel. As others have pointed out with the advertising.

They're actually a great advert for the licence fee/ public service broadcasting, as it shows the influence the need for advertising has on current affairs content.

But aren't RTE programs like Morning Ireland sponsored by Toyota etc too?

CramCycle · 14-12-2020 12:14PM

check_six wrote: »

He had Mannix Flynn on giving out that 3000 responses to a public consultation was not in any way representative of, well, just him essentially. Legal action was his solution. Mad stuff!

Doing a stats course at the minute, now off the top of my head, 3000 would not only do for a small area like there, but if it were random, it would be a large enough population size for a nationwide survey to be statistically overpowered. There are obviously biases here as this relies on people to write in, so either, motorists, cyclists and pedestrians are equally engaged in writing in and the study is representative, or only cyclists are engaged and it is heavily biased, in which case, as with all political decisions (which this should not be), you get what you voted for.

Oymyakon · 14-12-2020 02:36PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

But aren't RTE programs like Morning Ireland sponsored by Toyota etc too?

Yes, they are. Renault have sponsored RTE Late Late show for as long as I can remember

Macy0161 · 14-12-2020 04:34PM

They may be sponsored by the car companies, but I've found them far less bias when it comes to some of the changes Covid has brought about. I gave up listening to Matt Cooper as he is so anti-remote working/ pro getting everyone back in the office. I haven't heard the same agenda on Drivetime or Morning Ireland. RTE have been more likely to focus on the benefits, such as the potential for living and working in rural communities.

breezy1985 · 14-12-2020 04:49PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

They may be sponsored by the car companies, but I've found them far less bias when it comes to some of the changes Covid has brought about. I gave up listening to Matt Cooper as he is so anti-remote working/ pro getting everyone back in the office. I haven't heard the same agenda on Drivetime or Morning Ireland. RTE have been more likely to focus on the benefits, such as the potential for living and working in rural communities.

RTE I dont think have any agenda against bikes. Some of the coverage can be a bit amateur and misguided and they give the vested talking heads too much time but its not down to any hatred of cycling like Pat

tomasrojo · 14-12-2020 06:36PM

I'm not sure how bad RTÉ is overall. I remember some pretty misframed Prime Time bits, and I don't feel as if most of their programming in general is meant for me, but Pat Kenny is outright hostile, and buffoonishly so.

magicbastarder · 14-12-2020 06:49PM

Was just mentioned on drivetime on R1 that they'll be talking about why women don't cycle on the show this evening. Seems to be a focus on the abuse female cyclists get.

Seaswimmer · 14-12-2020 07:57PM

magicbastarder wrote: »

Was just mentioned on drivetime on R1 that they'll be talking about why women don't cycle on the show this evening. Seems to be a focus on the abuse female cyclists get.

Girl or woman called Ellen Cullen I think. Vice chairperson of Dublin Cycling campaign. I thought she was excellent. Measured, humorous and no axe to grind. started about 18:48 I would say. And no one to interrupt her so she was given a good run to make her pitch. Still unsure why so few women cycle but infrastructure and perception of safety seem to be top of the list
Brilliant that it came close to the end of the programme as no time for comments on RLJs, road tax, helmets, hi-vis, ect ect ect

Seth Brundle · 14-12-2020 09:09PM

https://twitter.com/byjoeb/status/1338575142734196743
https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1338557369484185601
https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1338558667474481152

eeeee · 15-12-2020 12:06AM

I get shouted at all the time on the bike during the summer. It was worse when I was younger and cycled in normal clothes more, it was daily. Now in Lycra it's weekly in 'season'.

Example. During the 5k lockdown, I was doing my 5k route, came up to the Goat pub. I pedalled out in front of traffic as usual. Lights go green, traffic behind me doesn't pass me. I don't use the cycle lane after it, I thought maybe they were hanging back, even though there's lots of room to drive beside me (as usually happens). Bit weird but I don't pass any heed.
Then a small pick up lorry rolls up beside me, 2 men in it. Lanscaping sign on it. They're filming me, guy out the passenger window, talking about my ass, what he wanted to do me, how he wanted to do it to me. He driving right beside me, then slightly in front, filming all the while, talking the same shyte at me.
I was gonna whip out my phone and start recording them, but then I was afraid if they decided to come after me they'd definitely get me and if I turn off the main road there will be less people around to help me.
Traffic is beeping behind them. There are another set of lights up ahead, the traffic behind them forces them to drive on. They do, still filming me, I hang back. Lights go red up ahead, I hang back and hide behind a car, swearing like a sailor. Lights go green, I cycle on, and it starts again, talking about my ass, the same craic, filming me, driving slowly beside/in front of me, telling me they're gonna put it up on the internet. I start telling them to fcuk off and more, hang back. Another set of lights ahead (there are 2 close to each other after the Goat). Red. Fcuk. They speed up and break the lights.

That's just one example. Cars and vans routinely shout about parts of my body, what they want to do to me, and how 'in season', more often when I'm in normal clothes. (I was in cycling gear and and a buff in the above example).
It's really, really fcuking shytty. And very threatening. I'm a very confident person, and an experienced cyclist, used to it. If you were just starting out it can be super threatening and off putting. I feel really sorry for schoolkids out and about, given what I got as a younger woman they must get awful shyte from the creepy bastards.
But according to some we don't need feminism anymore :rolleyes:

ETA: Don't get me started on the shoaling!

15-12-2020 12:12AM

For ****s sake, my partner would have a story or 10 but nothing as bad that :mad:

hesker · 15-12-2020 09:55AM

Wow. That is just absolutely incredible. I really feel for you and anyone who has to experience that.

Have you reported any of this abuse and if so what kind of response did you get.

Oymyakon · 15-12-2020 10:18AM

Front page of last week's Fingal Independent: "Cycle lane row in River Valley", article goes on to highlight resident's disgust at the lack of public consultation about the construction of a segregated cycle track in the estate. Many people giving out that they can't make a turn without briefly crossing to the other side of the road, what does that say about their driving ability?

Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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