General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

Fromvert · 13-12-2020 03:14AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

This season, 4 or 5 wins on the bounce regularly is all it will take for a serious challenge.

They’ve been waaaay below their best, awful by their standards, and they’re still only 5 points behind.

They’re still one of the major challengers, so the more points they drop, the happier I’ll be.

This is their level and it has been for 18 months. City are an 80pt team now at best, they're worse than last year in every attacking metric there is. How long will it take for people to realise City are a shell of the 100pt team.

Sterling for example looks shot, no speed, touch is awful (worse than usual). Aguero can't get fit. Laporte riding the pine.

Look at their run of fixtures between West Brom this week and West Brom in the new year. Southampton, Newcastle, Everton, Chelsea, Brighton, Palace.

By the time they get to West Brom again they'll be further behind.

It's going to be an 82-86pt winner. They're five points back already! They're not reeling off wins this year, no one likely is. This will be a win by attrition.

gimli2112 · 13-12-2020 06:09AM

rob316 wrote: »

The pogba situation sums up United right now. He is thrashing them in public through his agent regularly and they still start him while he offers nothing. Mourinho knew he was trouble pitted himself against him and he lost. Ferguson would of stuck him in the reserves and sold him first opportunity. Sakho at Liverpool was there best defender at the time, Klopp didn't like his attitude and got rid of him. Ya need to be ruthless

I didn't agree with that at the time, he was probably our best defender. Not playing Andy Robertson for months but Moreno instead. Applauding the Kop after drawing 1-1 with West Brom. The over exuberance on the touchline. Running on the pitch after Origi scored against the Toffees.
Dreadful manager.

Nalz · 13-12-2020 07:29AM

tanko wrote: »

It's like as if they picked a random person from the crowd and gave them the managers job.

Wow

Tipsy McSwagger · 13-12-2020 07:57AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

I didn't agree with that at the time, he was probably our best defender. Not playing Andy Robertson for months but Moreno instead. Applauding the Kop after drawing 1-1 with West Brom. The over exuberance on the touchline. Running on the pitch after Origi scored against the Toffees.
Dreadful manager.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

13-12-2020 08:06AM

tanko wrote: »

All his interviews are embarrassing. He hasn't a clue what's going on. If Man Utd had no manager telling them what to do they couldn't be any worse.
It's like as if they picked a random person from the crowd and gave them the managers job.

You'd think a random person from the crowd might have improved by now though, it's been 2 years...

marklazarcovic · 13-12-2020 08:27AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

Dreadful manager.

Dreadful fans, dreadful club, dreadful city..I wouldn't change a single thing right now

8-10 · 13-12-2020 08:44AM

Fromvert wrote: »

How long will it take for people to realise City are a shell of the 100pt team.

Max points they can get from here out is 100 with a 27 game winning run.

PsychoPete · 13-12-2020 09:12AM

I'd say poor Sheffield will be in trouble again today, they seem destined to go back to the championship

Grayditch · 13-12-2020 09:38AM

Hearing of Jota's injury doesn't fill me with hope for Liverpool keeping up with Spurs for the next couple of months to be honest. Who knows how it'll go, but I see a lot of point-dropping draws for Liverpool. Jota has been vital at nullifying the effects of Liverpools injury disaster and now he's... injured.

doc_17 · 13-12-2020 09:49AM

Man Utd and City, to a lesser extent, were cowardly last night. You have to try and win these wins for at some part of the match.

8-10 · 13-12-2020 09:54AM

Yeah I think even before Jota injury the squad just looked too bare.

The injury list this season has just been outrageous and the upcoming fixture period is where we'll see points slip away for sure.

DM_7 · 13-12-2020 11:05AM

doc_17 wrote: »

Man Utd and City, to a lesser extent, were cowardly last night. You have to try and win these wins for at some part of the match.

Lots of fearful play.

United were same v Chelsea and Arsenal. Have scored one goal (a peno) at OT in 4 games v Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and now City.

Man City v Arsenal, v Liverpool and v Spurs were not much better than the zero yesterday.

Chelsea v Spurs was another 0-0.

eagle eye · 13-12-2020 01:10PM

All these giving out about OGS. What is an acceptable season for you with the current United squad?

TitianGerm · 13-12-2020 01:36PM

eagle eye wrote: »

All these giving out about OGS. What is an acceptable season for you with the current United squad?

They shouldn't be finishing below 4th with the money they've spent on players and the wages they pay.

is_that_so · 13-12-2020 01:39PM

The bottom 3 looks it already has two of the teams likely to be relegated. Sheffield United have no luck at all.

DVDM93 · 13-12-2020 01:39PM

I'd say he's jealous of teams that can win games too.

Sheffield on their way to another loss here, 3-0 down V Southampton.

If they stay going as they are they'll be on course to break Derby's record of lowest points in a Premier Leagie season (11)

All is not well at Sheffield, what's going on Chris?

https://twitter.com/Blades1889_com/status/1337430243653652482?s=20

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2020 01:41PM

Southampton go 3 up and move into 3rd place.

Sheff Utd are going down and with a record low points total the way they are going.

Father Hernandez · 13-12-2020 01:41PM

eagle eye wrote: »

All these giving out about OGS. What is an acceptable season for you with the current United squad?

This season.

Minimum top 4 comfortably.

Minimum Round of 16 Champions League.

Minimum FA Cup SF.

With a view to actually be title contenders in the next 12/24 months.

Although the owners have no interest in actually being title contenders, for the money that has been spent and the players in the squad, it should be expected.

Unfortunately I just don't see it happening.

JPA · 13-12-2020 01:42PM

Has there ever been as team as doomed as Sheffield United? They are gone.

Shanotheslayer · 13-12-2020 01:43PM

JPA wrote: »

Has there ever been as team as doomed as Sheffield United? They are gone.

Derby

jacool · 13-12-2020 01:44PM

Big games for Spurs and Liverpool today.
After Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs not turning up yesterday, its the ideal chance to open up a 5, 6, 7, 8 point gap to perceived main challengers. No offence meant to Southampton, who play great football, but I can't see them doing a Leicester in 2021.
Scrappy 1-0s the order of the afternoon.

PsychoPete · 13-12-2020 01:44PM

They spent 23 million on Brewster, I guessing they hoped he'd be the one to get goals for them. Can't see them staying up

Father Hernandez · 13-12-2020 01:49PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Derby

Had a look there, even Derby that season had 6 points in their first 12 games.

Sheffield United will be 1 point in 12 after today.

8 of their games they've only lost by 1 goal.

Hard to believe people were actually talking about them qualifying for Europe 6 months ago.

DVDM93 · 13-12-2020 01:52PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Minimum Round of 16 Champions League.

Even after the draw was made?

To be fair, ye were landed with the 'Group of Death'.

I'd consider PSG & RB Leipzig (even after Werner leaving) to be better teams than Manchester United tbh.

It's easy to say where United SHOULD be given the amount of money they have spent & the wages that they pay. However, the simple fact is that they are not.

I'd be happy with 3rd place there tbh & a decent run in the Europa.

Father Hernandez · 13-12-2020 01:58PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

Even after the draw was made?

To be fair, ye were landed with the 'Group of Death'.

I'd consider PSG & RB Leipzig (even after Werner leaving) to be better teams than Manchester United tbh.

It's easy to say where United SHOULD be given the amount of money they have spent & the wages that they pay. However, the simple fact is that they are not.

I'd be happy with 3rd place there tbh & a decent run in the Europa.

Absolutely, otherwise you're settling for mediocrity. Need to have ambition and it's where the ownership has sucked the life out of.

6 points from 2 games v PSG and Leipzig showed the difference between the clubs on its day is not a million miles away from a squad perspective.

Coaching and management were the difference.

is_that_so · 13-12-2020 01:59PM

PsychoPete wrote: »

They spent 23 million on Brewster, I guessing they hoped he'd be the one to get goals for them. Can't see them staying up

3 shots for them today, none of them on target - Southampton had 16 and 6.

Here's a Sky Sports piece on them from a few weeks back. If anything things have got worse.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/12136363/sheffield-uniteds-struggles-analysed-whats-going-wrong-for-blades-in-premier-league

DVDM93 · 13-12-2020 02:03PM

PsychoPete wrote: »

They spent 23 million on Brewster , I guessing they hoped he'd be the one to get goals for them. Can't see them staying up

I hope it works out for him but it's starting to look more & more like another stroke of genius by Michael Edwards.

13-12-2020 02:09PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

I hope it works out for him but it's starting to look more & more like another stroke of genius by Michael Edwards.

Are Liverpool fans rubbing their hands at foisting a player who is struggling for goals on a team doing badly? It seems like a very tiny, and kinda ugly, boast.

First, I'd imagine much depends on the buying club, it's not like they offered 50k and he cleverly talked them up.

Plus, in fairness to Brewster, Messi might walk into the Sheffield United side and struggle.

eagle eye · 13-12-2020 02:14PM

Father Hernandez wrote:

This season.

Father Hernandez wrote:

Minimum top 4 comfortably.

Father Hernandez wrote:

Minimum Round of 16 Champions League.

Minimum FA Cup SF.

With a view to actually be title contenders in the next 12/24 months.

Although the owners have no interest in actually being title contenders, for the money that has been spent and the players in the squad, it should be expected.

Unfortunately I just don't see it happening.

I don't see anything outlandish there although being in a group with last year's finalists and semi-finalists meant getting out of that group was very difficult in the Champion's league and I wouldn't be putting it down as a major black mark not getting out of the group. Fact you got to the last day with an opportunity to qualify was a decent achievement.

I agree that the owners are the big issue. What happened to the protests wearing the old scarves and hats?

I presume making it to the top 4 was a satisfactory achievement last season?

I understand that OGS hasn't the previous success that a United manager normally has coming in. I think he is growing into the job though. I'm still not sure how he'll do but I think he needs more support from above.

A lot of players seemed to have improved under him. Lindelof, Shaw and Fred all seemed to be struggling before he arrived if my memory serves me, Pogba seems to have improved a bit too.

ERG89 · 13-12-2020 02:17PM

DVDM93 wrote: »

I hope it works out for him but it's starting to look more & more like another stroke of genius by Michael Edwards.

I don't think Salah would score much in that team the way they play. They just get it wide and cross it in. Teams figured them out after playing them in the first half of last season and they struggled to adapt to that all year.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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