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ShineOn7 · 12-12-2020 02:44PM

.anon. wrote: »

Not necessarily - they could just carry on being absolutely pathetic and useless, doing fuck-all about the racism problem. Why bother dealing with it when it's easier to dish out infractions to anyone who calls a racist a racist.

Have never seen a racist post or poster last longer than an hour max on Boards

It's, rightly, stamped out immediately

12-12-2020 02:50PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Have never seen a racist post or poster last longer than an hour max on Boards

It's, rightly, stamped out immediately

I've seen plenty of dog whistle threads go on for a fair bit and the posters haven't been banned. Can also think of a poster who is still happily posting horrible views after saying refugees on boats should be killed.

excludedbin · 12-12-2020 03:21PM

Invidious wrote: »

The perennial problem is that many posters are eager to define any opinion with which they disagree as "hatred and bigotry," when often the views being expressed don't rise to that level at all.

The perennial problem is that many posters are eager to excuse any and all bigotry as "just a different opinion" or set a standard so comically high that it's functionally impossible to meet.

.anon. wrote: »

Why bother dealing with it when it's easier to dish out infractions to anyone who calls a racist a racist.

That remains the most mystifying aspect of rule enforcement on the site, symptomatic of the wider problem of punishing the people who respond to trolls rather than the trolls themselves.

Past a point, all the bluster about racism not being allowed appears to be nothing more than arse-covering. How many times now has it been brought to their attention and yet nothing beyond meaningless platitudes are offered? **** or get off the pot; don't say it's not tolerated and then brazenly tolerate it. Don't put rules in charters about it and then do nothing with them.

If you're scared about driving away potential traffic then consider the kind of people you're driving away instead and what kind of userbase you're eventually going to be left with. CA may not yet be as bad as, say, Voat, but that's the direction it's headed in.

Acosta · 12-12-2020 03:35PM

The CA forum is an absolute sewer at the moment. I've never seen it this bad in my time here. If it gets much worse they'll have the rename it the national party forum.

ExMachina1000 · 12-12-2020 03:38PM

Acosta wrote: »

The CA forum is an absolute sewer at the moment. I've never seen it this bad in my time here. If it gets much worse they'll have the rename it the national party forum.

Could you post some examples for all to see.

Gatling · 12-12-2020 03:54PM

Acosta wrote: »

The CA forum is an absolute sewer at the moment. I've never seen it this bad in my time here. If it gets much worse they'll have the rename it the national party forum.

No it's not ,

It's always find it funny how people who don't post in certain forums are happy to sit there making various claims about what's in threads and never backing it up ,
I've seen claims of threats of violence and other fantastical claims being made in various threads but yet nobody else sees it including mods ,cmods and admins.

Acosta · 12-12-2020 04:17PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Could you post some examples for all to see.

The child grooming thread over the past 24 hours is full of racist and islamophobic posts.

Gatling wrote: »

No it's not ,

It's always find it funny how people who don't post in certain forums are happy to sit there making various claims about what's in threads and never backing it up ,
I've seen claims of threats of violence and other fantastical claims being made in various threads but yet nobody else sees it including mods ,cmods and admins.

I regularly post on plenty of threads on the CA forum. These days I tend to stay well clear of the threads that attract far right undesirables. I do this because I have no interest in engaging with these people and I have previously reported racist posts which were not removed.
Not that anyone needs to post on these threads to report them if they feel the need. I'm sure many just read more than they post on boards. I do try to stay away from even reading these threads, but I ended up reading some of them yesterday and some of it was utterly disgusting.

By the way I am not saying that everyone I disagree with on these types of topics are racist or hateful.

TomTomTim · 12-12-2020 05:01PM

Acosta wrote: »

The child grooming thread over the past 24 hours is full of racist and islamophobic posts.

You still haven't shown us any racist posts. You say "full" yet haven't managed one example.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 05:16PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

You still haven't shown us any racist posts. You say "full" yet haven't managed one example.

What they are full of are posters bafflingly deflecting and defending child rapists by the usual tactics of “racism” and “far right” accusations.

And one really pathetic example of conflating organized gangs of rapists from a particular cultural background with a report on a ”gang rape” which whilst sickening is nowhere near on the same level as 30-40 men targeting hundreds of vulnerable young children.

ExMachina1000 · 12-12-2020 05:28PM

Acosta wrote: »

The child grooming thread over the past 24 hours is full of racist and islamophobic posts.
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Be realistic. If the media has reported on a case of child grooming, named the suspects and those suspects are members of a Muslim community and this kind of thing has happened numerous times what do you expect people to post?

These are the facts of what happened and same has happened before. There was controversy with police not investigating previous now known incidents on a large scale and throughout the UK.

Virtue signalling is just ignoring what happened and being more focused on the language of posters.
People come to discuss what happened and society in general. Society is real life.

What you are on is some sort of side mission.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 05:36PM

There are now four posters banned from the thread about the child sexual exploitation arrests thread for “taking it off topic” and yet they are trying to get it back ON topic following “but the priests did worse”.

The goal - stated outright - of some posters is to have the discussion ended. The moderation is helping them on that thread.

Acosta · 12-12-2020 05:43PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

You still haven't shown us any racist posts. You say "full" yet haven't managed one example.

I'm not sure it's appropriate for me to be posting what I believe to be racism on this thread. I'm pretty sure the procedure is to report these posts and let the mods deal with it. And I have already done this. I have told you where to find it.

Gervais08 wrote: »

What they are full of are posters bafflingly deflecting and defending child rapists by the usual tactics of “racism” and “far right” accusations.

And one really pathetic example of conflating organized gangs of rapists from a particular cultural background with a report on a ”gang rape” which whilst sickening is nowhere near on the same level as 30-40 men targeting hundreds of vulnerable young children.

If certain posters could discuss these issues without demonising an entire religion and rattling off the usual islamphobic and racist rubbish people wouldn't complain. It's clear a few people have an agenda given the amount of threads like this popping up almost daily.
Given the state of your posts over most of these threads I wouldn't expect you to agree.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 05:47PM

Acosta wrote: »

I'm not sure it's appropriate for me to be posting what I believe to be racism on this thread. I'm pretty sure the procedure is to report these posts and let the mods deal with it. And I have already done this. I have told you where to find it.

If certain posters could discuss these issues without demonising an entire religion and rattling off the usual islamphobic and racist rubbish people wouldn't complain. It's clear a few people have an agenda given the amount of threads like this popping up almost daily.
Given the state of your posts over most of these threads I wouldn't expect you to agree.

I wouldn’t agree because you’re posting nonsense here.

How pray tell is it possible to discuss rape grooming gangs comprised of 84% Pakistani and Bangladeshi men without discussing why the percentage is so high??

Acosta · 12-12-2020 06:50PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Be realistic. If the media has reported on a case of child grooming, named the suspects and those suspects are members of a Muslim community and this kind of thing has happened numerous times what do you expect people to post?

These are the facts of what happened and same has happened before. There was controversy with police not investigating previous now known incidents on a large scale and throughout the UK.

Virtue signalling is just ignoring what happened and being more focused on the language of posters.
People come to discuss what happened and society in general. Society is real life.

What you are on is some sort of side mission.

Virtue signalling? What I can't be disgusted at posts featuring such things as asking why Muslims are even here? Talk of dodgy looking lads outside kebab shops. Or posts from people hoping the accused are refugees. And the usual islamphobic line about them not being fit for our society.

I'm not ignoring what these people have been accused of. If they're found guilty I hope they throw away the key, but these threads are full of hate which nearly always spills over to attempting to demonise entire relgions or cultures based on what? 30 or 40 scumbags.

Gervais08 wrote: »

I wouldn’t agree because you’re posting nonsense here.

How pray tell is it possible to discuss rape grooming gangs comprised of 84% Pakistani and Bangladeshi men without discussing why the percentage is so high??

Percentage of what? There's over a million Pakistani people in the UK and about half a million Bangladeshi.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 06:51PM

Acosta wrote: »

Virtue signalling? What I can't be disgusted at posts featuring such things as asking why Muslims are even here? Talk of dodgy looking lads outside kebab shops. Or posts from people hoping the accused are refugees. And the usual islamphobic line about them not being fit for our society.

I'm not ignoring what these people have been accused of. If they're found guilty I hope they throw away the key, but these threads are full of hate which nearly always spills over to attempting to demonise entire relgions or cultures based on what? 30 or 40 scumbags.

Percentage of what? There's over a million Pakistani people in the UK and about half a million Bangladeshi.

Way to misrepresent the point there.

And yeah child rapists aren’t fit for society - you seem to think they are. Disturbing.

EmmetSpiceland · 12-12-2020 07:49PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So are personal attacks allowed on individual posters now? What's the old saying attack the post not the poster?

I brought this up in the ‘Wokeism of the Day’ thread and was, rounded, mocked.

Acosta wrote: »

or when he said I'm Ok with child rapists?

I believe she identifies, or presents, as a womxn online.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 07:51PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I brought this up in the ‘Wokeism of the Day’ thread and was, rounded, mocked.

I believe she identifies, or presents, as a womxn online.

I’m a woman. Womxn is not a real word and I don’t “identify” or “present” as anything, online or otherwise.

Gervais08 · 12-12-2020 07:53PM

Acosta wrote: »

Are you referring to my post? or when he said I'm Ok with child rapists?

I implied that because you took offence that a poster said these people aren’t fit for society. They’re organized racist child rapists - they’re not fit for a decent society.

How else can that be inferred ?

Whereas you made a personal attack on me.

Acosta · 12-12-2020 08:12PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I implied that because you took offence that a poster said these people aren’t fit for society. They’re organized racist child rapists - they’re not fit for a decent society.

How else can that be inferred ?

Whereas you made a personal attack on me.

All of that post was referring to others on the thread generalising an entire religion based on what this rape gang did. As I'm sure you know. Nice try though.

Beasty · 12-12-2020 08:37PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

Way to misrepresent the point there.

And yeah child rapists aren’t fit for society - you seem to think they are. Disturbing.

you should not be posting in this thread as your 3 months are not up until tomorrow

I'm extending that though and you are now banned from posting in this thread again

EmmetSpiceland · 12-12-2020 08:40PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I’m a woman. Womxn is not a real word and I don’t “identify” or “present” as anything, online or otherwise.

Wait, seriously? I thought that was part of the joke? You’d call yourself “fat” and say “women are all bitches” as a sort of ‘it’s ok, I’m a womxn’ parody. Missed that one completely.

V8 Interceptor · 12-12-2020 09:56PM

A poster last night said she wanted the grooming thread closed because she disagreed with me and another poster. She then went to the Mods and today both of us have been banned from the thread.

I'm quite stunned at the censorship the authoritarian left can command. This poster clicked her fingers and and her desired action was taken.

These tactics in society at large always backfire yet they don't seem to learn. Brexit, Trump and other Euro Countries. There's no far right or any such thing in Ireland but these people are building up such animosity toward their wokery and "right think" that something like that is bound to foment.

Beasty · 12-12-2020 10:03PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

A poster last night said she wanted the grooming thread closed because she disagreed with me and another poster. She then went to the Mods and today both of us have been banned from the thread.

I'm quite stunned at the censorship the authoritarian left can command. This poster clicked her fingers and and her desired action was taken.

These tactics in society at large always backfire yet they don't seem to learn. Brexit, Trump and other Euro Countries. There's no far right or any such thing in Ireland but these people are building up such animosity toward their wokery and "right think" that something like that is bound to foment.

If you have a problem with mod actions please use the correct process. Complaining or claiming innocence in Feedback is not the right way to go about it

To everyone, there have been prior warnings this thread could be closed. It's for general Feedback on the forum. Specific complaints are dealt with in Help Desk

V8 Interceptor · 12-12-2020 10:07PM

Okay Beasty.

Snake Plisken · 13-12-2020 12:07AM

Beasty wrote: »

If you have a problem with mod actions please use the correct process. Complaining or claiming innocence in Feedback is not the right way to go about it

To everyone, there have been prior warnings this thread could be closed. It's for general Feedback on the forum. Specific complaints are dealt with in Help Desk

Well Beasty We are just following Necro's instructions on his post mass banning some of us on the grooming gangs thread he said "if we have a problem with that take it to the feedback thread",.
Also how come bans and cards are handed out to folks on one side of the arguement but when posters on the other side start calling others bigots they get carded but they don't get thread banned? How is that balanced?
Yeah I know I'll be told to go the appeal route but this seems to be a growing issue on CA and it seems the more the left whine about "them right wing posters" the more the CA mods get fed up with the constant whining and thread ban posters.

Beasty · 13-12-2020 01:21PM

Specific Forum issues like that are dealt with in Help Desk, not Feedback. I am advising you of that as a Site Administrator, not a Forum Moderator

V8 Interceptor · 13-12-2020 02:31PM

Personally I think its childish in the extreme for grown adults to be running to teacher to get other people done for "wrong think".

I've never reported a poster/post. The thought wouldn't even cross my mind.

Wibbs · 13-12-2020 07:38PM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

A poster last night said she wanted the grooming thread closed because she disagreed with me and another poster. She then went to the Mods and today both of us have been banned from the thread.

I'm quite stunned at the censorship the authoritarian left can command. This poster clicked her fingers and and her desired action was taken.

On the other hand in the Multiculturalism thread the list of threadbanned and outright banned posters was overwhelmingly those on the "left" side of things. No doubt they'd claim censorship too. Actually a couple did and how Boards was a disgrace etc. And I'd be fairly confident in saying most of the mods in there would be more on the "left" side of things and they certainly didn't do those posters any favours.

In my experience anyway in the vast majority of cases if posters stay civil and don't get into a sniping back and forth or run to direct insult(or go full on daily mail comments section) then they don't get banned. "Left" or "Right"

My 2 cents anyway and FWIW.

Kivaro · 14-12-2020 10:43AM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Well Beasty We are just following Necro's instructions on his post mass banning some of us on the grooming gangs thread he said "if we have a problem with that take it to the feedback thread",.
Also how come bans and cards are handed out to folks on one side of the arguement but when posters on the other side start calling others bigots they get carded but they don't get thread banned? How is that balanced?
Yeah I know I'll be told to go the appeal route but this seems to be a growing issue on CA and it seems the more the left whine about "them right wing posters" the more the CA mods get fed up with the constant whining and thread ban posters.

It is a possibility that it was a deliberate misdirection by Necro. I was surprised by Necro's multiple bannings, as it looked like he woke up with a sick head and went berserk with the ban hammer. I immediately went to the Help Desk and Feedback forum to see if there was anything on these bannings, as a number of them were dubious to say the least.

Unfortunately, I've seen all of this before with the old Politics Cafe forum and the self-destruction that occurred on there by just 2 mods. It was hard work by everyone to finally get the new Current Affairs set up, and it generally seems to be working out well.

But there is a process now, so if any of you want to appeal the bans, the Help Desk is the place to go, and to be fair, that process seems to be impartial and well managed. And yes, follow Wibbs' advice above.

V8 Interceptor · 14-12-2020 01:35PM

Wibbs wrote: »

On the other hand in the Multiculturalism thread the list of threadbanned and outright banned posters was overwhelmingly those on the "left" side of things. No doubt they'd claim censorship too.

And they'd be right. I don't understand the need to keep banning people, left or right. Its an extremely censorious Site imo.

(Although I do believe the Mods are acting with the best intentions)

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