The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Rolo2010 wrote: »

It doesn't help them. Sligo and Leitrim need funding and structural reform. The GAA should be sticking a GDA in every Sligo town club if they want to help grow the game there.

They need funding, structural reform and for Dublin to split. Without the last point the others will be fruitless.

See my previous posts for how splitting Dublin helps Sligo and Leitrim. The game dies at inter-county level without splitting them so a split therefore benefits every county.

Rolo2010 wrote: »

Splitting Dublin isn't required for the first 2.

It actually is required because other reforms are a waste of time without addressing Dublin's unfair advantages first by splitting them. The game will die otherwise.

Enquiring wrote: »

Name some, I'll be happy to sort it out for you.

You need to sort yourself out first :rolleyes:

gaffer91 wrote: »

Either it happens or the inter-county game dies. The current dominance is now forever. I think there would be a lot of buy-in from Dublin fans eventually, although there may be some opposition before it happens.

You havnt a clue abut Dublin fans ,There will never be a buy in :rolleyes:

gaffer91 wrote: »

Based on my experience from talking to some Dublin fans and also how it is possible to create support for teams (like the provinces in rugby) and how derby matches in any sport are hotly anticipated in most sports.

See my previous posts for how splitting Dublin helps the weaker counties ( and every other county including Dublin).

Again your talking waffle , see my previous posts for how splitting Dublin will destroy the game

Enquiring wrote: »

Just one example that a GDO was not just for primary school kids.

Do the GDO's in, say Meath for example, only coach in the schools?

gaffer91 wrote: »

Yet again, the point about rugby is how support bases can rapidly develop. THe same could happen for Dublin divisional sides. It would still be geogrpahically and club based.

No success in either code has come from a platform of unfair advantages like Dublin's current success- that's the different with history. Winning fairly- fine. Winning unfairly, as Dublin are- big problem.

And before we go any further- could you please acknowledge the point I made in bold in post #4424? I don't want to have to explain that to you again in future or for you to come back with the same incorrect argument again.

Except rugby had a base. The provinces didnt play much before mid 90s and the 00s.
The supporters were all watching club games especially with the creation of the AIL in 1990 which brought up a proper structure to season for senior clubs. Prior to that it was mainly friendlies, some tournaments occasionally and then the provincial senior cups were the main focus of the season.
The funding wasnt excessive because Dublins circumstances were very unique and had none of the issues that would be in play in all the other counties.
Dublin won everything fairly to say they havent is bull**** and damn unfair to all the work any of those involved with Dublin during this success.

You cant have a geographically based, club based split with Dublin.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Right now there is opposition, sure, but it has to be done or the game dies.

Again, see my previous posts for how splitting Dublin helps Sligo and Leitrim.

Dublin being split doesnt help Sligo or Leitrim. Leitrim have won 2 Connacht titles in their history. Theyve played Dublin once in the championship and never in the league. They have no impact on each other. A split in Dublin will not help Leitrim win any more Connacht titles, wont see them getting further in the qualifiers or championship no matter what format it is.

awaywithyou wrote: »

Splitting Dublin talk is ridiculous... this team wont be around forever... When Cluxton moves on there will be a dip in performances... his kickouts are good.. but its his presence thats hugely influential for Dublin... then u have Fenton, KIlkenny and McCarthy... i dont care how big the pick is in Dublin... i seriously doubt if there kind will ever be seen again... so splittin Dublin is nonsense... not their fault the other teams are ****e.... only for tyrone in the noughties kerry would have 6-in-a-row... dublin dont have a team like tyrone to come agianst... Mayo dont count... coming up just short is a habit of a lifetime for them...

The Gaa should distribute the funding to each county evenly... as in 100euro or whatever per registered player.. that can b done straight away and they should do no more...

Funding isnt ever even and cant because there is so many variables in each and every place/town/area/county.

Akesh wrote: »

I think the best way forward would be to run a championship excluding Dublin and allow Dublin GAA and their fans to take time off to give themselves a big pat on the back for all the hard work.

I see Ciaran Whelan talking more nonsense today in the Indo, a hack of a 'player' and a hack of a 'analyst'.

A nonsense post :rolleyes:

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin have received about 25 million euro in games development funding, the next highest is Cork with less than 2 million. I've asked before but I'll ask again, is Dublin more than 12.5 times the population of Cork?

Never heard a reasonable excuse for this level of imbalance.

I think the use of the word 'unfair' is in fact very..... unfair.

Dublin is winning in essence because GAA has become the dominant sport in the city. Thats it in a nutshell - you can talk all you want about other factors, but thats the primary reason.

The All Ireland championship that we are discussing here is an intercounty competition. That is the primary rule of the competition, that its open to county teams competing in GAA sports.

It was always known, since 1888, that Dublin was the capital city. It was always known that County Dublin had a population greater than any other county.

This is a bit like - if Soccer became the number one sport in the US, and then the US team won four world cups in a row. Thats essentially what its like.

Yes Dublin has other advantages. Jack McCaffrey was talking on the podcast the other day about the huge advantage of living in the county you play for. Cork has that advantage too. But thats still the advantage of large cities.

There is nothing unfair about this, just as there is nothing unfair about the fact that sponsors want to be seen with successful teams, just as there is nothing unfair about underage set ups receiving a lot of investment.

Again - if the narrative is about bashing Dublin, this discussion goes nowhere.

briany wrote: »

As I noted in my last point, differences in the quality of the setup could be addressed by the GAA reconsidering how it apportions the money to each county's GAA, although this would only be effective if each county's GAA could be trusted not to fecklessly squander what they're given.

And the funny thing is that splitting Dublin up might just end up with people complaining about the professional setup of Dublin City / Dublin Metro, i.e. where most of the players are coming from rather than the county as a whole, and as a bonus, the creation of a couple of extra also-ran teams.

Do you think it's fair that Dublin have been given the finance to correct their set up for 2 decades while everyone else hasn't?

kilns wrote: »

Yes they received excess funding for a couple of years but they also before receiving that funding got organised and had the structures in place. Like or not, the GAA needs Dublin to survive financially.

Do you accept that since 2017 it has been addressed and that Dublin are now middle of the pack and therefore the call for defunding of Dublin is a silly argument

A couple of years? Nearly 2 decades you mean? Let's deal with the justification for Dublin receiving about 25 million while everyone else were given far less. For some years Dublin were in receipt of 1.6 million while some other counties were in receipt of 7,500. That's not a typo, 7,500 is what some counties received.