The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

kilns · 10-12-2020 04:30PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublins funding started in the early 2000's. There were years when Dublin were getting 1.6 million while some counties were getting 7,500 for games development. Do you want to work out the percentages on that? Picking one year out of 20 is a nice try though. Dublin have received about many multiples in games development funding compared with anyone else and way out of line with population.

I dont think anyone disputes Dublin received excess funding at the beginning but that has not been the case since 2017 and that graphic high lights the stupidy of people calling to defund Dublin now considering they are middle of the pack in terms of funding

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 04:35PM

kilns wrote: »

Wow first I have heard that Dublin clubs were rejecting GDOs

You must have an inside line to every club nobody else has

I've given you and other Dubs plenty of education on this thread. Not expecting any thanks for it though.

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 04:36PM

kilns wrote: »

hahaha

You failed to answer a simple yes or no question, jeez give it up will you

I didnt mean to upset you. Start a new thread on what should happen after Dublin gets split and I promise I'll post in it.

kilns · 10-12-2020 04:37PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I've given you and other Dubs plenty of education on this thread. Not expecting any thanks for it though.

You have certainly provided some great comedic moments anyway

kilns · 10-12-2020 04:39PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I didnt mean to upset you. Start a new thread on what should happen after Dublin gets split and I promise I'll post in it.

no you hang up..

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 04:42PM

kilns wrote: »

I dont think anyone disputes Dublin received excess funding at the beginning but that has not been the case since 2017 and that graphic high lights the stupidy of people calling to defund Dublin now considering they are middle of the pack in terms of funding

Yes, they do dispute that Dublin got excess funding. A huge number of Dubs can't even admit that. The funding for Dublin started 2 decades ago. It basically maps out the disparity in professional coaches. Dublin had near 100 while every other county had below 6, some only had 1.

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 04:43PM

kilns wrote: »

no you hang up..

Start a new thread. Or maybe you're only interested in protecting Dublin's unfair advantages?

The Lost Sheep · 10-12-2020 04:45PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

Wait, so people getting hammered by 15+ points is a problem when it isn't Dublin doing it? At least be consistent. What's meaningful for Longford now to go and lose by that margin to Dublin, when we all know about Dublin's population, funding and other advantages?

Splitting Dublin doesn't close the gap between Leitrim and stronger teams but it preserves the competition so it helps them that way. Dublin's unfair advantages mean they will never stop winning.

Dublin are the only county that have the unique combination of massive unfair advantages so if we split them it does solve a lot of problems.

Unfair advantages isnt true. They get more development funding as the biggest number of school age kids etc are in the county. They get more sponsorship because of combination of a successful team and they are in the biggest market in country. Neither of those are unfair.

Dyr · 10-12-2020 04:48PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Nice to see that a Dub is joining the chorus requesting the Dublin county board to release their accounts. For now, the 2016 version will have to do you. Take your time having a read of it.

Oh right, I thought you had the figures given your statements about the amount of professional officers in Dublin GAA but it seems you were just spoofing,

Of course you can still point us to the same figures for other county boards like I mentioned? They're readily available to you, yeah?

kilns · 10-12-2020 05:01PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Yes, they do dispute that Dublin got excess funding. A huge number of Dubs can't even admit that. The funding for Dublin started 2 decades ago. It basically maps out the disparity in professional coaches. Dublin had near 100 while every other county had below 6, some only had 1.

You have your figures ready to back this all up..........

Strumms · 10-12-2020 05:11PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dont have problem with Dublin playing in Croker etc.

But Hill 16 should be made 50/50 for All Ireland day.. Hill 16 was big advantage to Dubs in that regard

Split the hill ? Why though ? how is it an advantage ? All Ireland day ? If you split the hill for the final the moral thing is to split it for every game... Hurling, camogie, football regardless....the Hill has zero advantage for Dublin...the supporters there though certainly do though, or are we of the mind just to nobble the Dublin atmosphere ... canal end is 100% available to facilitate opposition fans more or less. Sounds like you are advocating just throwing opposition fans in as if you can’t split Dublin why not try and split the hill... dim the atmosphere.

No different if it’s Kilkenny vs Cork in the hurling too.. one county in the hill, other the canal... No issues with a few opposition fans making their way to the hill by way of coming by tickets but on the wrong day, it would only take a ‘handful’ of messers... with the wrong attitude and a bit of drink and aggression and the ‘storm the hill mentality and there could be issues around safety...the Gardai wouldn’t have it and The GAA won’t be considering it thankfully..health and safety is paramount, a split hill would have lots of issues.

Feisar · 10-12-2020 05:17PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

What sport anywhere has teams where all sides have populations around the same.
Sure get rid of parishes as well considering clubs based on parishes can vary so much in population.

What do you replace the counties with then?

I'm not suggesting everywhere is the exact same and there is more to it than pure numbers however Dublin being a primate city does exasperate the problem, compounded further by the amateur nature of the sport.

I haven't a clue what to replace them with.

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:20PM

Bambi wrote: »

Oh right, I thought you had the figures given your statements about the amount of professional officers in Dublin GAA but it seems you were just spoofing,

Of course you can still point us to the same figures for other county boards like I mentioned? They're readily available to you, yeah?

Did you manage to find the 2016 financial accounts yet? Care to reveal the total for salaries? Or would you rather keep that quiet? Again, if you want a breakdown of the huge amount spent on wages, you'll need to get in contact with the Dublin county board and also request for them to release their latest accounts.

Fann Linn · 10-12-2020 05:20PM

kilns wrote: »

You have your figures ready to back this all up..........

No. It's just a repetitive mantra now.
Split Dublin in 2 or 4 and now it's split the Hill in 2 also.
They'll be counting the eyelets on Rock's boots to see if he's got an advantage the way things are currently going.

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:23PM

kilns wrote: »

You have your figures ready to back this all up..........

I have the figures from 2005 of what Dublin received, the amount the county who received the 2nd highest level got and the lowest counties amount. The GAA release their annual accounts.

ShyMets · 10-12-2020 05:23PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

No. It's just a repetitive mantra now.
Split Dublin in 2 or 4 and now it's split the Hill in 2 also.
They'll be counting the eyelets on Rock's boots to see if he's got an advantage the way things are currently going.

There was I was thinking this thread couldn't anymore bizarre

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:26PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

No. It's just a repetitive mantra now.
Split Dublin in 2 or 4 and now it's split the Hill in 2 also.
They'll be counting the eyelets on Rock's boots to see if he's got an advantage the way things are currently going.

Dublin 25 million or thereabouts in games development money alone since 2000. Next highest county is Cork; under 2 million in the same period for games development. Can you tell me the difference in population between Dublin and Cork? Is it 12.5 times bigger?

Dyr · 10-12-2020 05:29PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Did you manage to find the 2016 financial accounts yet? Care to reveal the total for salaries? Or would you rather keep that quiet? Again, if you want a breakdown of the huge amount spent on wages, you'll need to get in contact with the Dublin county board and also request for them to release their latest accounts.

I'm not the one making claims I can't back up. Theres a Conspiracy Theories forum on here for that lark.

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:35PM

Bambi wrote: »

I'm not the one making claims I can't back up chief. Theres a Conspiracy Theories forum on here for that lark.

I'll post up the 2016 accounts for you later then. You dont seem to want to post up the salaries amount. You dont believe quotes from Dublin GAA officials and employees either and now are you claiming their official accounts aren't real?

Dyr · 10-12-2020 05:42PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I'll post up the 2016 accounts for you later then. You dont seem to want to post up the salaries amount. You dont believe quotes from Dublin GAA officials and employees either and now are you claiming their official accounts aren't real?

I havent claimed anything , you're the one making claims and now trying to shift the burden of proof and the goalposts

not very convincing behaviour tbh

quick recap:

Bambi wrote: »

Quotes from Dublin officials confirming that coaching has moved on from the 90s and 00s arent good enough. If theres actually any county out there coaching kids like they did 20-30 years then they're cracked.

Lets start with your quote:

Do you have proof that every position in Dublin GAA is a paid position? Of course, you don't but you tried wesel the sentence by using the word "overseeing", every county is overseen by professionals at some level, even though some might not look like it.

So lets cut you some slack. Present some evidence: the total figure of all people involved in Dublin GAA and the percentage of those people who are paid professionals. Then present the same for all other Division 1 counties in football as comparison.

No rush.

dunnerc · 10-12-2020 05:43PM

Enquiring wrote: »

I've given you and other Dubs plenty of education on this thread. Not expecting any thanks for it though.

What you have given is pure nonsense

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:47PM

Bambi wrote: »

I havent claimed anything chief, you're the one making claims and now trying to shift the burden of proof and the goalposts

not very convincing behaviour tbh

quick recap:

You claimed that only quotes from Ewen McKenna would be forthcoming. I provided you with a top ranking Dublin county board member and some long serving employees. You were then casting aspersions on their honesty for some reason.

I then informed you to view the 2016 leaked accounts for some info on salaries, you then claimed this was some form of conspiracy. I will be in a position to post some figures from the 2016 accounts later. Hopefully you won't disappear when they are posted.

dunnerc · 10-12-2020 05:47PM

gaffer91 wrote: »

Wait, so people getting hammered by 15+ points is a problem when it isn't Dublin doing it? At least be consistent. What's meaningful for Longford now to go and lose by that margin to Dublin, when we all know about Dublin's population, funding and other advantages?

Splitting Dublin doesn't close the gap between Leitrim and stronger teams but it preserves the competition so it helps them that way. Dublin's unfair advantages mean they will never stop winning.

Dublin are the only county that have the unique combination of massive unfair advantages so if we split them it does solve a lot of problems.

Again all it solves is helping 3/4 counties

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:50PM

dunnerc wrote: »

What you have given is pure nonsense

Care to point out what I've said that is pure nonsense? You are free to show my claims to be untrue if you wish. Are you going to reply disputing my posts I wonder?

dunnerc · 10-12-2020 05:54PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Care to point out what I've said that is pure nonsense? You are free to show my claims to be untrue if you wish. Are you going to reply disputing my posts I wonder.

Your the one making all the claims , show us all your claims a true

Enquiring · 10-12-2020 05:58PM

dunnerc wrote: »

Your the one making all the claims , show us all your claims a true

As I thought. You can't dispute a single thing I've said. What claims in particular are you finding difficulty with?

10-12-2020 06:04PM

Enquiring wrote: »

They tried to make Dublin hurlers in Croke park a thing but they weren't getting many Dublin supporters to attend the games.

Thank God for that.

The last thing we want is both championships gone down the drain.

I'll celebrate Dublins victories in the football as it's the quickest way to resolve this, but on the hurling side I'll hope they don't progress and build up a head of steam there.

ooter · 10-12-2020 06:47PM

Enquiring wrote: »

Yes, they do dispute that Dublin got excess funding. A huge number of Dubs can't even admit that. The funding for Dublin started 2 decades ago. It basically maps out the disparity in professional coaches. Dublin had near 100 while every other county had below 6, some only had 1.

Mcentee said on TSG the other night that Meath have 40 GDO's.

dunnerc · 10-12-2020 06:54PM

Enquiring wrote: »

As I thought. You can't dispute a single thing I've said. What claims in particular are you finding difficulty with?

All of them

Rolo2010 · 10-12-2020 07:27PM

ooter wrote: »

Mcentee said on TSG the other night that Meath have 40 GDO's.

Meath were in receipt of 6% of the games development fund since at least 2017. I can't imagine it has changed much since then.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0614/1055359-dublin-funding/

It was 2018.

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