The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Who would in modern times devise a league/championship that had one team have a draw from 1.35M and another from 32K? Hasn't modern Ireland scuppered the traditional notion of teams along county boundaries?

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You are over egging the death of inter county level. It wont die off. Splitting Dublin makes it harder for many smaller counties. A split Dublin would still be stronger than some of the division 4 sides so if you have the current competition format these counties will not progress into later rounds in Leinster as theres an extra strong team within it.
If we were talking about death of game. Look at scottish soccer. Rangers/Celtic have so many benefits over rest combined and the game hasnt "died". Look at countless soccer leagues who were dominated for a period and dropped off for a time.

It will die off. I've been very accurate at predicting how Dublin's unfair advantages would result in a competitive crisis in Gaelic Football, I linked some of my posts from 2014 and 2015 which you are welcome to go back and read to help gain some insight.

By the way the argument that Dublin subdivisions would make it even harder for teams is the worst argument. It recognises the unfair advantages they enjoy but then seems to say it's concentrated in one juggernaut rather than more widely dispersed among four.

Soccer is professional and at least there is a duopoly in Scotland rather than one team. Dublin won't drop off because of their unfair advantages, no-one is able to compete if they are correctly taken advantage of.

kilns wrote: »

thats bull, splitting Dublin does not close the gap between Longford and the likes of Kerry, Tyrone etc. It just closes the gap between Dublin and the 3/4 who are realistic contenders. Thats not a solution, thats a short sighted flaw as the likes of Longford and Leitrim will always be weak. Why not overhaul everything?

Oh, other reforms are needed but without a split there is no point. Let's do the most important thing first.

Again, splitting Dublin helps Leitrim and Longford as it ensures they actually have a meaningful competition to play in. Not sure what is so hard for you to grasp about this. The thing is, not every reform needs to benefit every county equally, as long as it is in the aggregate a positive thing. But that's not even the case for splitting Dublin as it helps every county by ensuring the survival of the game we all love. I think many GAA members in Dublin would be quite happy with a split once the benefits to them and all counties. are clearly and honestly laid out. There will of course be some cranks who will say they won't attend again but many would quickly row in behind their new teams.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Dublin didnt win anything unfairly.
Moving finals from Croke Park wont make money in the long term. How exactly do you replace the many millions from moving games out of Croke Park. 30000 tickets of income is hell of lot to replace. There isnt near same amount of corporate anywhere else and corporate tickets for croke park are sold based on all ireland finals being played there so losing them means less income for the GAA nationwide which helps nobody else.
The rugby teams did build support quickly but they are based on real borders, real support. The provinces have always existed and are easily identifiable. There is no other sports with various regional dublin teams.
A split Dublin helps Kerry, Mayo and very few other counties.

Dublin won many things unfairly. Their unfair advantages include population, funding, home pitch, among other things.

Again you're thinking short term- about the split, about Croke Park. If we don't eliminate Dublin's unfair advantages the game dies and we all lose out. Playing finals at Dublin's home stadium is an unfair advantage. If we can level things up the game survives so we make money in the long run.

Dublin subdivisional sides will be based on real clubs and people so people will row in. Again, rugby shows us here how quickly people can support new teams.

Again, a split helps all counties by ensuring the survival of the game, not just Kerry and Mayo.

kilns wrote: »

It was interesting to hear Oisin McConville speaking the other day, coming from the biggest club in Armagh, and he had previously asked at his club lets get a full time GDO and he was shot down - sure why would we need that, we never needed one before

I wonder how much of this attitude prevails around the country.

It would be quite typically Irish to complain about something and then when given the opportunity to have it yourself turn it down

That's why you have paid officials overseeing it and making sure standards are met.

The arrogant attitude of some Dublin supporters is quite bizarre. Yes, many county boards are not run well but it was the same in Dublin until you were handed millions of euros.

kilns wrote: »

still waiting for an answer-..............

The answer is in my post.

ooter wrote: »

The Dublin senior hurlers have all the advantages the Dublin footballers have and they were beaten at "home' in the championship this year.

I agree. It is hugely embarrassing that Dublin can't do better at hurling with the huge investment they have received.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin won many things unfairly. Their unfair advantages include population, funding, home pitch, among other things.

Again you're thinking short term- about the split, about Croke Park. If we don't eliminate Dublin's unfair advantages the game dies and we all lose out. Playing finals at Dublin's home stadium is an unfair advantage. If we can level things up the game survives so we make money in the long run.

Dublin subdivisional sides will be based on real clubs and people so people will row in. Again, rugby shows us here how quickly people can support new teams.

Again, a split helps all counties by ensuring the survival of the game, not just Kerry and Mayo.

Again a split helps 3/4 Counties

kilns wrote: »

Let me take a wild guess you are from a county like Kerry, whom stand to gain the most from Dublin being split. You state that Leitrim and Longford would then have a meaningful competition to play in, tell that to the people from that county if they have to go out and play Kerry, who would hammer them by 15+ points. Is that meaningful for them? Has splitting Dublin closed the gap between them and Kerry?

Why do things half arsed like only splitting Dublin for a short term solution, why not overhaul the whole system to give every county a chance and not change the system to benefit just a small select few

Wait, so people getting hammered by 15+ points is a problem when it isn't Dublin doing it? At least be consistent. What's meaningful for Longford now to go and lose by that margin to Dublin, when we all know about Dublin's population, funding and other advantages?

Splitting Dublin doesn't close the gap between Leitrim and stronger teams but it preserves the competition so it helps them that way. Dublin's unfair advantages mean they will never stop winning.

Dublin are the only county that have the unique combination of massive unfair advantages so if we split them it does solve a lot of problems.

ArielAtom wrote: »

These figures are based on HQ figure combined with census figures. They are factually based and not from some random guy on tinternet who likes to post inaccurate figures. Yes Dublin receive a large percentage of funding. But if you look at the other metrics it is not to bad. Cork are poorly funded and the imbalance needs to be redressed there.

Dublins funding started in the early 2000's. There were years when Dublin were getting 1.6 million while some counties were getting 7,500 for games development. Do you want to work out the percentages on that? Picking one year out of 20 is a nice try though. Dublin have received about many multiples in games development funding compared with anyone else and way out of line with population.

kilns wrote: »

This is at a club, the biggest in Armagh. You dont have paid people at clubs, you need everyone to buy into it

You hit the nail on the head, alot of county boards are very badly run but that is not always the fault of those running it, its a tough job and Dublin was the same they were a shambles too up until 20 years ago, when they did get their act together but again your facts are a bit off, Dublin started putting structures into place before the "funding"

No, it was in line with the funding. Dublin clubs were initially rejecting the GDA's, that's why placing paid officers to oversee the process is very important.

Bambi wrote: »

I don't need to contact the DCB, you're the one who was making big statements so you're the one who's going to back them up.

No hurry on those figures, I'm sure you're can back your claim up.

Nice to see that a Dub is joining the chorus requesting the Dublin county board to release their accounts. For now, the 2016 version will have to do you. Take your time having a read of it.