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The Vaccine

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    #512
    Steve012
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    i dont share your optimism

    Why Lex, 2 or 3 vaccines here by next spring at latest, Herd immunity if 60% take it.

    There is the apprehension of the wait, after xmas cases start rising and social distancing continuing , possible further lockdown/restrictions, while vaccine is rolled out.

    Tuff months ahead for sure, more will get it more will pass away. but IMO it's looking like the beginning of the end.


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    #513
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭storker


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Anyway less people are getting the flu this year due to measures used to reduce Covid. Masks, social distancing, hand-washing, lockdown, etc obviously have an impact on any infectious illness that spreads with close contact. A newer more virulent/infectious disease is more likely to spread than an existing illness (which has vaccines, etc), but both will have their spread hampered to relative degrees by those measures.

    It's almost unbelievable that some people really need this explained to them.
    My friend's wife is an ICU nurse. Some individuals are literally dying angry and confused because they don't believe the virus is real, or because they think it's all a conspiracy.

    <shrug> Darwinism in action. I've lost all patience with such cranks and charlatans.


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    #514
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭Panrich


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    I've been following this thread from the start and I'm lost now. What's the conspiracy exactly?
    The vaccine is going to kill people? Or it isn't needed? Or both?

    I think it has something to do with big farmers.


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    #515
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭storker


    Panrich wrote: »
    I think it has something to do with big farmers.

    One big farmer in particular called Bill. Apparently he's up to something with one of his gates.


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    #516
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    storker wrote: »
    One big farmer in particular called Bill. Apparently he's up to something with one of his gates.

    dont forget Santa Klaus (Schwab)


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    #517
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    dont forget Santa Klaus (Schwab)

    Have you read his book yet?


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    #518
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    King Mob wrote: »
    Have you read his book yet?

    no intention


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    #519
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    no intention
    Why not?
    According to you this is his master plan, no?
    Why not learn all you can about it?


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    #520
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,317 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why not?
    According to you this is his master plan, no?
    Why not learn all you can about it?

    is it not available as a 2 hour YT video narrated by someone with a very monotonous voice that repeats themselves constantly? that seems to be the media of choice these days. Books are too much effort.


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    #521
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    the ingredients for this Pfizer vaccine has some interesting items

    Lipid nanoparticles that are used to carry & protect the mRNA from degredation - I've worked on systems that produce electronic devices at nano technology levels, just throwing it out there

    Sodium phosphate, dibasic unspecified form - to balance the pH...................ok thats another thing I dont like the sound of

    glad to be taking a rain check on this one and see how ye all get on in 15-20yrs time


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    #522
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why not?
    According to you this is his master plan, no?
    Why not learn all you can about it?

    I got enough from his interviews, dont want to line his pocket


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    #523
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I got enough from his interviews, dont want to line his pocket

    I'm sure there's ways for you to get it for free. Perhaps even a library.

    I honestly don't understand why you'd be so opposed to reading the source for what you believe is the plot to take over the world.

    Kinda just seems lazy...


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    #524
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    the ingredients for this Pfizer vaccine has some interesting items

    Lipid nanoparticles that are used to carry & protect the mRNA from degredation - I've worked on systems that produce electronic devices at nano technology levels, just throwing it out there
    Could you explain what you mean by this specifically?
    What makes them "interesting".

    Since you're an expert, please explain what the issue from these materials is.

    And again, as you've agreed there's no evidence for any danger from the vaccine that outweighs the danger from covid.
    So why do these materials make you worry?

    It kind of like like you're just throwing out technical terms because they sound scary and you don't actually have any point deeper than that.


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    #525
    chewed
    Registered Users Posts: 3,408 ✭✭✭chewed


    Lex Luthor wrote: »

    Sodium phosphate, dibasic unspecified form - to balance the pH...................ok thats another thing I dont like the sound of

    Aren't both of these found in a lot of foods (e.g. processed meats, baked beans, tinned Tuna, etc.)? So I assume you avoid all foods containing this additive?


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    #526
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,317 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    chewed wrote: »
    Aren't both of these found in a lot of foods (e.g. processed meats, baked beans, tinned Tuna, etc.)? So I assume you avoid all foods containing this additive?

    It is used in a massive range of foods. if you wanted to avoid ingesting it you would have to live off lettuce from your own garden.


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    #527
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭storker


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    the ingredients for this Pfizer vaccine has some interesting items

    Lipid nanoparticles that are used to carry & protect the mRNA from degredation - I've worked on systems that produce electronic devices at nano technology levels, just throwing it out there

    Sodium phosphate, dibasic unspecified form - to balance the pH...................ok thats another thing I dont like the sound of

    glad to be taking a rain check on this one and see how ye all get on in 15-20yrs time

    I've heard it even contains Dihydrogen Monoxide, which is used in nuclear power plants and has even been found in tumours. Apparently the oceans already contain tons of it.

    Sounds dodgy to me.


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    #528
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    any of you young bucks want to skip the queue, let me know and I'll gladly give you my slot


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    #529
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    any of you young bucks want to skip the queue, let me know and I'll gladly give you my slot
    Maybe you could stop saying variations of this in different witty ways and actually address the points put to you.

    Cause every time you do this now, it sounds a lot more like "I can't answer those questions and I'm running away again."


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    #530
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    King Mob wrote: »
    I honestly don't understand why you'd be so opposed to reading the source for what you believe is the plot to take over the world.

    Kinda just seems lazy...

    he consulted me first on how to take over the world as I had miserably failed back in 1980, I would have succeeded too only for those 3 aliens


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    #531
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    he consulted me first on how to take over the world as I had miserably failed back in 1980, I would have succeeded too only for those 3 aliens
    And now you're just deflecting the point because you can't address it.

    You haven't read it because it's too much effort on your part and you don't actually believe in your claims as much as you say.

    You are only willing to invest enough time to watch conspiracy youtube videos or read conspiracy websites.

    This is simply lazy and a bad method for learning what's true.


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    #532
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    King Mob wrote: »
    And now you're just deflecting the point because you can't address it.

    You haven't read it because it's too much effort on your part and you don't actually believe in your claims as much as you say.

    You are only willing to invest enough time to watch conspiracy youtube videos or read conspiracy websites.

    This is simply lazy and a bad method for learning what's true.

    I'm currently reading Surrounded by Idiots so too busy to take on another book


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    #533
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I'm currently reading Surrounded by Idiots so too busy to take on another book
    Again, supposedly you believe that this is the book that outlines the plot to take over the world.
    Why wouldn't that be your first priority?
    Why would you be "too busy" to find out more information about this plot.

    Again it's either laziness or you don't actually believe what you are claiming.

    You've also changed your story a few times now, first claiming that you didn't need to read it, then that you had no intention of reading it and now you're too busy.
    This again does not seem genuine.

    The real answer is as I said, you're not reading it because it's too much effort and you are only interested in reading easy to swallow conspiracy sources.

    At the same time, you're not deflecting away from your previous claims of expertise in nanotechnology.
    So again:
    What concerns you about the contents of the vaccines?
    Specifically why are you concerned about Lipids and how does your expertise in nanotechnology apply?


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    #534
    Lex Luthor
    Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again, supposedly you believe that this is the book that outlines the plot to take over the world.

    When did I say this?
    King Mob wrote: »
    You've also changed your story a few times now, first claiming that you didn't need to read it, then that you had no intention of reading it and now you're too busy.

    as I said, I have no intention of reading it
    King Mob wrote: »
    At the same time, you're not deflecting away from your previous claims of expertise in nanotechnology.
    So again:
    What concerns you about the contents of the vaccines?
    Specifically why are you concerned about Lipids and how does your expertise in nanotechnology apply?

    I never said I was an expert, I just saidI worked on systems that were capable of producing electronic devices at nano levels
    I'm not as gullible to think that its possible that saying "nanoparticles" may not contain something else


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    #535
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,317 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    When did I say this?



    as I said, I have no intention of reading it



    I never said I was an expert, I just saidI worked on systems that were capable of producing electronic devices at nano levels
    I'm not as gullible to think that its possible that saying "nanoparticles" may not contain something else

    so now they are lying about what is in the vaccine?


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    #536
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    When did I say this?
    You've been claiming that he is involved in the plot you're so concerned about.
    This book is called "The Great Reset".
    This clearly means that you believe that this is him outlining his plans.

    If it's not, feel free to outline you beliefs clearly.
    You've been asked this many many times and you've always deflected and ignored. You're oddly resistant in expressing your beliefs, so you can't really complain if we don't understand what they are.
    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    as I said, I have no intention of reading it
    But you haven't really explained why.
    I have explained what I think is the true reason.
    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I never said I was an expert, I just saidI worked on systems that were capable of producing electronic devices at nano levels
    Yes. How does your expertise apply other than they both have the prefix "nano"?
    Lex Luthor wrote: »
    I'm not as gullible to think that its possible that saying "nanoparticles" may not contain something else
    And this doesn't really answer the question.
    You're deflecting again and I think this is because you don't have an answer. I think you don't have an answer because your belief doesn't really have much more beyond the surface level "scary science word is scary".

    What specifically about the lipids are your concerned about?
    Please be exact and specific. You have had experience with "systems that were capable of producing electronic devices at nano levels" so you should be able to do so.


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    #537
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,815 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    • Conspiracy theory
    • Conspiracy speculation
    • "They" are up to something, too lazy to make something up <--- We are here


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    #538
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,458 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    chewed wrote: »
    Aren't both of these found in a lot of foods (e.g. processed meats, baked beans, tinned Tuna, etc.)? So I assume you avoid all foods containing this additive?

    Sodium phosphate, dibasic

    Isn't that just salt??


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    #539
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,317 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Sodium phosphate, dibasic

    Isn't that just salt??

    it is A salt.


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    #540
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,458 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    it is A salt.

    Yuo, used to flush the bowels during colonic treatment, can be a mild irritant. Still can't see why he is scared of it.


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    #541
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,317 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yuo, used to flush the bowels during colonic treatment, can be a mild irritant. Still can't see why he is scared of it.

    It is used for that but it is also in a wide range of processed food.


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