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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • #4232
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    ShyMets wrote: »
    No memory is good. I wanted to see if you were banging the voluntary amalgamation drum.

    Splitting Dublin, compulsory county amalgamations, pooled sponsorship and redistribution of funding.

    This would create a far more level playing field.

    But you seem resistant to that. Is it because you don't want your county amalgamated.

    Of perhaps you're agenda is to waken Dublin so you're own county has a better chance of success

    I support all of those things beside compulsory amalgamations. It can left to individual counties to act as they see fit.

    My agenda is to hope that what is best for Gaelic Football at inter-county level is done i.e Dublin are split.

    How does it weaken Dublin? It helps Dublin by saving the inter-county game and giving more Dublin players a chance to challenge for Sam Maguire.


  • #4233
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭dobman88


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    All surmountable issues. Three of the four Dublin subdivisions could share Croke Park for their matches for the foreseeable future. It may not be technically within their subdivisional "county" boundaries, but this isn't unusual in certain circumstances for sports teams e.g when a stadium is undergoing construction or renovation.

    Not ideal, but much better than the status quo, which is killing the inter-county game as we all see.

    Colour issue is also unimportant and could be resolved easily.

    So you dont want Dublin playing in croke park now but it would be acceptable to you for 3 Dublin teams to share croke park. Would you stop. You're just on a wind up now anyway.


  • #4234
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dobman88 wrote: »
    :pac: so much wrong in this post and stuff I never mentioned it doesn't warrant a reply so I'll bow out.

    Just to point out though, Parnell Park is dublins home ground. Croke Park is a neutral venue and I hope big games like semi finals and finals are never moved regardless of whether Dublin are competing or not.

    Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.


  • #4235
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭dobman88


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.

    I'm pretty sure Parnell Park is their home venue. I'm not 100% sure though if someone who is more knowledgeable would.like to confirm or not


  • #4236
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    I already answered this question by you, several times. You don't see to have a great memory.

    Voluntary amalgamations can be offered and counties can take them up if they see fit.

    But Dublin should be split regardless, even if some GAA members in Dublin are opposed to it.

    Likewise you dont seem to have a good memory
    Dublin wont entertain a split unless amalgamations happen , not can be offered .


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  • #4237
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dobman88 wrote: »
    So you dont want Dublin playing in croke park now but it would be acceptable to you for 3 Dublin teams to share croke park. Would you stop. You're just on a wind up now anyway.

    See post 4223. It's the combination of advantages Dublin enjoy that mean they should be split, not just each one individually. There is no point building stadiums in the short term as it would be prohibitively expensive and it's possible the inter-county is so badly damaged already that it'll never fully recover and they will just be empty shells without any games being held there.

    So we split Dublin, use Croke Park in the short term and go from there.


  • #4238
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

    Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.


  • #4239
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dobman88 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Parnell Park is their home venue. I'm not 100% sure though if someone who is more knowledgeable would.like to confirm or not

    I'm more knowledgeable, I can help you. Croke Park is their home ground. Sometimes I say it's their de facto home ground but it's their home ground these days nonetheless.
    dunnerc wrote: »
    Likewise you dont seem to have a good memory
    Dublin wont entertain a split unless amalgamations happen , not can be offered .

    I'm sure Dublin will oppose a split but it should be imposed over their heads if necessary. Amalgamations can be offered and maybe some counties will take them up. But the split should happen, voluntarily or involuntarily.


  • #4240
    dunnerc
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    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.

    Again you dont seem to have a good memory
    Dublin play were they are told to play
    Parnell Park is there official home ground
    Its up to the Leinster council and all the other Leinster counties to decide if they want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park


  • #4241
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    I'm more knowledgeable, I can help you. Croke Park is their home ground. Sometimes I say it's their de facto home ground but it's their home ground these days nonetheless.



    I'm sure Dublin will oppose a split but it should be imposed over their heads if necessary. Amalgamations can be offered and maybe some counties will take them up. But the split should happen, voluntarily or involuntarily.

    Again the split wont happen unless by agreement from Dublin


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  • #4242
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,185 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    have the provincials as they are but knock out, then go pro and have regional teams such as the kingdom of Brefni - sligo, leitrim cavan and westmeath etc play in a super pro all-ireland series


  • #4243
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Again you dont seem to have a good memory
    Dublin play were they are told to play
    Parnell Park is there official home ground
    Its up to the Leinster council and all the other Leinster counties to decide if they want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park

    Dublin play at their home ground for every game or since 2018, nearly every game.

    Croke Park is their home ground or de facto home ground, if you want to get into semantics. They even play home league games there for the last decade.

    Should the final and semi-finals be played at a team's home ground? The answer to that is no, it should not be. Even more so if that team benefits from huge population and funding advantages as Dublin do.


  • #4244
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Again the split wont happen unless by agreement from Dublin

    Perhaps not, we'll see, but it should happen. The All-Ireland dies if it doesn't. You can watch the All-Ireland final in 2030 as Dublin go for 15 in a row with 200 other supporters and tell yourself it's just the 7th consecutive golden generation.


  • #4245
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Dublin play at their home ground for every game or since 2018, nearly every game.

    Croke Park is their home ground or de facto home ground, if you want to get into semantics. They even play home league games there for the last decade.

    Should the final and semi-finals be played at a team's home ground? The answer to that is no, it should not be. Even more so if that team benefits from huge population and funding advantages as Dublin do.

    Dublin play were they are told to play , If the other Leinster Counties wish for Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park they can vote for this

    Same for the final and semi final , this can be voted on too


  • #4246
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Perhaps not, we'll see, but it should happen. The All-Ireland dies if it doesn't. You can watch the All-Ireland final in 2030 as Dublin go for 15 in a row with 200 other supporters and tell yourself it's just the 7th consecutive golden generation.

    No it shouldnt happen , a split should only happen if amalgamations happen
    Can you tell me the Lotto numbers please for tonights draw
    Seeing as you can tell the future


  • #4247
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dunnerc wrote: »
    Dublin play were they are told to play , If the other Leinster Counties wish for Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park they can vote for this

    Same for the final and semi final , this can be voted on too

    Dublin play at their home stadium. It's not a fair situation. I'm not sure what is confusing to you about this point.


  • #4248
    doc_17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭doc_17


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

    Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.

    All levels of competition except league and championship for the men’s team. Which is what this is about. To suggest that Parnell Park is the home ground for the Dublin men’s team is gaslighting.


  • #4249
    gaffer91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭gaffer91


    dunnerc wrote: »
    No it shouldnt happen , a split should only happen if amalgamations happen
    Can you tell me the Lotto numbers please for tonights draw
    Seeing as you can tell the future

    It should happen- Dublin have been unfairly advantaged for decades by their population, funding and home pitch advantage. The inter-county game is dying because of this. It should happen with or without amalgamations.

    I have been quite accurate in predicting this just so you know. Here are a few posts from 2014 and 2015, long before there was ever any five in a row.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92337905&postcount=1
    gaffer91 wrote: »

    The only major change I'd like to see is Dublin being split into 2 teams. They have a massively unfair advantage in population and funding so despite losing this year I think it is important to pre-empt Dublin dominating the All Ireland series and destroying a lot of people's interest in the sport. It would also serve to make Leinster more competitive.

    Anyway, any thoughts on changes you think should be implemented in Gaelic Football?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92800249&postcount=100
    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Do Dublin get too much money? You bet your bottom dollar they do. They already have the massive inbuilt population advantage and the absurd level of funding they get simply rubs salt into the wounds. I'm personally in favour of splitting Dublin in two to help level the playing field.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96112833&postcount=47
    gaffer91 wrote: »
    The provincial structure is worth keeping, not for the bigger teams but the smaller ones. Teams like Roscommon, Sligo, Louth etc have no hope at winning the All-Ireland and don't care about winning a lower division in the league but a provincial title means the world to the players and the fans.

    With regards to Dublin they should absolutely be split in two, if not more. The population advantage they have is absurd. Their dominance since 2005 has already destroyed football in Leinster- who is going to be inspired to play football in any of the other counties when you see all those months of training culminating in a drubbing by Dublin? It's becoming more uncompetitive year on year. With Dublin poised to dominate the All-Ireland series for the forseeable future as well, let's save gaelic football and pre-empt that by splitting Dublin into 2, 3 or even 4 teams to ensure a more level playing field.


  • #4250
    overshoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭overshoot


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

    Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.

    So if you're going to wiki... How many intercounty championship appearances has this entire dublin squad made at parnell park? Cluxton played there once versus the might of london... That's it.

    Honestly can't believe people are still clinging to Parnell park is home. Surely Donegal bringing you can't play 'home and neutral' super 8 games in the same venue to Congress puts another end to it.


  • #4251
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    overshoot wrote: »
    So if you're going to wiki... How many intercounty championship appearances has this entire dublin squad made at parnell park? Cluxton played there once versus the might of london... That's it.

    Honestly can't believe people are still clinging to Parnell park is home. Surely Donegal bringing you can't play 'home and neutral' super 8 games in the same venue to Congress puts another end to it.


    You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

    It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.


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  • #4252
    The Lost Sheep
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    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Look I've no interest in going around again. Most of the points you raised I and others have already dealt with.

    The inter-county game is dying as we see from declining interest, attendances and endless debates, now moving more and more into mainstream media, about splitting Dublin.

    Not pooling sponsorship kills the game so will help result in an even larger reduction in funds in a few short years.

    Not splitting Dublin will be what will drive illness as it kills the inter-county game because of their population, financial doping and other advantages.

    And there will be a lot of interest for Dublin subdivisional sides in a few years if they were split. Look at the interest in provincial rugby created in a short period of time. And there is more geographical and personal identification with say a Northwest Dublin team.

    And once again- splitting Dublin helps all counties. It saves the competition as an entity so everyone can still compete. No splitting Dublin kills it. So the split helps all counties, including Dublin.
    Except interest isnt declining. You have shown nothing to back that up. You keep saying there would be so much interest in these regional sides in Dublin
    Youre completely mad if you think you can compare the provincial rugby teams to these supposed gaa sides.
    There has been provincial rugby teams playing for 130 years. There has been an interprovincial rugby competition ran as a distinct competition since the 1940s. That cant be compared to this.
    Majority of counties will never contest or very rarely will contest provincial finals or get to latter stages of the all ireland.
    Take someone like Leitrim. Dublin being split makes zero positive impact on them and actually would make it harder for them. They have played maybe once or twice in the history of the championship. They wont be playing each other in the league any time soon. They wont be able to compete against a split side either. They wont suddenly get more sponsorship money or anything else.
    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Not if Dublin are playing- it's their home ground. A neutral venue would be better for all finals. If some of those close finals against Mayo had been played in Castlebar or a neutral venue rather than Dublin being at home, it's conceivable they would have swung the other way.
    You are mad if you think all irelands should be played outside of croke Park. Its the home of the sport. Its the national stadium. Move occasional replays outside if its 2 non leinster counties like galway/mayo v kerry in Limerick but nothing else.
    ShyMets wrote: »
    No memory is good. I wanted to see if you were banging the voluntary amalgamation drum.

    Splitting Dublin, compulsory county amalgamations, pooled sponsorship and redistribution of funding.

    This would create a far more level playing field.

    But you seem resistant to that. Is it because you don't want your county amalgamated.

    Of perhaps you're agenda is to waken Dublin so you're own county has a better chance of success
    Every county doesnt have the same chance of success entering the all ireland each year. No sport is like that. Splitting Dublin does nothing for most counties as they still will lose to these Dublin sides and there chances of reaching latter stages is harder with a second dublin side involved. If we are to talk about level playing field then you would need to split multiple other counties as well
    gaffer91 wrote: »
    It should happen- Dublin have been unfairly advantaged for decades by their population, funding and home pitch advantage. The inter-county game is dying because of this. It should happen with or without amalgamations.

    I have been quite accurate in predicting this just so you know. Here are a few posts from 2014 and 2015, long before there was ever any five in a row.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92337905&postcount=1

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92800249&postcount=100

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96112833&postcount=47
    Since the foundation of the GAA when has Dublin not been the biggest county in the country? There will always be counties with much bigger populations. Its a ridiculous point to try and change.


  • #4253
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Not if Dublin are playing- it's their home ground. A neutral venue would be better for all finals. If some of those close finals against Mayo had been played in Castlebar or a neutral venue rather than Dublin being at home, it's conceivable they would have swung the other way.

    Dublin haven't been beaten in Castlebar since 2007.


  • #4254
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    There are two possible outcomes from the AI final and neither of them will be good for the long term health of the sport.

    1. Dublin soundly beat Mayo winning it at a cantor. This will lead to even more people abandoning this farce.

    2. Mayo give Dublin a good game and come within 3 points. Dubs and GAA will argue the championship is still competitive and no action is needed. The drubbings they handed out in every game up to the final and the Leinster championship farce will be ignored. A close game will buy Dublin 3 or 4 more years of the status quo but set back the sport at least 10 years in terms of competitiveness.


  • #4255
    overshoot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭overshoot


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

    It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.
    Not in the final text ;) anyway hardly affects the point that croker was described as Dublin's 'home'


  • #4256
    dobman88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭dobman88


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

    It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

    Careful now Ariel. This sounds like you're saying croke park is dublins home venue :eek:


  • #4257
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

    It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

    So what was Dublin's home game?


  • #4258
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    So what was Dublin's home game?

    The ground they nominate.


  • #4259
    ArielAtom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Careful now Ariel. This sounds like you're saying croke park is dublins home venue :eek:

    Dob, You can nominate any ground you want as your home game. However you home is the one that is registered with the association. I think you may have pointed that out to other posters;)


  • #4260
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    Dublin play at their home stadium. It's not a fair situation. I'm not sure what is confusing to you about this point.

    What is confusing you about this ? If the rest of the Leinster counties want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell park they can vote for this and make it happen. :rolleyes:


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  • #4261
    dunnerc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    gaffer91 wrote: »
    It should happen- Dublin have been unfairly advantaged for decades by their population, funding and home pitch advantage. The inter-county game is dying because of this. It should happen with or without amalgamations.

    I have been quite accurate in predicting this just so you know. Here are a few posts from 2014 and 2015, long before there was ever any five in a row.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92337905&postcount=1



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92800249&postcount=100



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96112833&postcount=47

    Yes you have had your agenda for years , that is undisputed


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