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ShyMets wrote: »

No memory is good. I wanted to see if you were banging the voluntary amalgamation drum.

Splitting Dublin, compulsory county amalgamations, pooled sponsorship and redistribution of funding.

This would create a far more level playing field.

But you seem resistant to that. Is it because you don't want your county amalgamated.

Of perhaps you're agenda is to waken Dublin so you're own county has a better chance of success

I support all of those things beside compulsory amalgamations. It can left to individual counties to act as they see fit.

My agenda is to hope that what is best for Gaelic Football at inter-county level is done i.e Dublin are split.

How does it weaken Dublin? It helps Dublin by saving the inter-county game and giving more Dublin players a chance to challenge for Sam Maguire.

gaffer91 wrote: »

All surmountable issues. Three of the four Dublin subdivisions could share Croke Park for their matches for the foreseeable future. It may not be technically within their subdivisional "county" boundaries, but this isn't unusual in certain circumstances for sports teams e.g when a stadium is undergoing construction or renovation.

Not ideal, but much better than the status quo, which is killing the inter-county game as we all see.

Colour issue is also unimportant and could be resolved easily.

So you dont want Dublin playing in croke park now but it would be acceptable to you for 3 Dublin teams to share croke park. Would you stop. You're just on a wind up now anyway.

dobman88 wrote: »

:pac: so much wrong in this post and stuff I never mentioned it doesn't warrant a reply so I'll bow out.

Just to point out though, Parnell Park is dublins home ground. Croke Park is a neutral venue and I hope big games like semi finals and finals are never moved regardless of whether Dublin are competing or not.

Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.

I'm pretty sure Parnell Park is their home venue. I'm not 100% sure though if someone who is more knowledgeable would.like to confirm or not

gaffer91 wrote: »

I already answered this question by you, several times. You don't see to have a great memory.

Voluntary amalgamations can be offered and counties can take them up if they see fit.

But Dublin should be split regardless, even if some GAA members in Dublin are opposed to it.

Likewise you dont seem to have a good memory
Dublin wont entertain a split unless amalgamations happen , not can be offered .

dobman88 wrote: »

So you dont want Dublin playing in croke park now but it would be acceptable to you for 3 Dublin teams to share croke park. Would you stop. You're just on a wind up now anyway.

See post 4223. It's the combination of advantages Dublin enjoy that mean they should be split, not just each one individually. There is no point building stadiums in the short term as it would be prohibitively expensive and it's possible the inter-county is so badly damaged already that it'll never fully recover and they will just be empty shells without any games being held there.

So we split Dublin, use Croke Park in the short term and go from there.

Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.

dobman88 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Parnell Park is their home venue. I'm not 100% sure though if someone who is more knowledgeable would.like to confirm or not

I'm more knowledgeable, I can help you. Croke Park is their home ground. Sometimes I say it's their de facto home ground but it's their home ground these days nonetheless.

dunnerc wrote: »

Likewise you dont seem to have a good memory
Dublin wont entertain a split unless amalgamations happen , not can be offered .

I'm sure Dublin will oppose a split but it should be imposed over their heads if necessary. Amalgamations can be offered and maybe some counties will take them up. But the split should happen, voluntarily or involuntarily.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Nah, Croke Park is Dublin's home ground these days. All home games including in the league played there since 2010 I believe. Including home All-Ireland quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals.

Again you dont seem to have a good memory
Dublin play were they are told to play
Parnell Park is there official home ground
Its up to the Leinster council and all the other Leinster counties to decide if they want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park

gaffer91 wrote: »

I'm more knowledgeable, I can help you. Croke Park is their home ground. Sometimes I say it's their de facto home ground but it's their home ground these days nonetheless.

I'm sure Dublin will oppose a split but it should be imposed over their heads if necessary. Amalgamations can be offered and maybe some counties will take them up. But the split should happen, voluntarily or involuntarily.

Again the split wont happen unless by agreement from Dublin

Ash.J.Williams

have the provincials as they are but knock out, then go pro and have regional teams such as the kingdom of Brefni - sligo, leitrim cavan and westmeath etc play in a super pro all-ireland series

dunnerc wrote: »

Again you dont seem to have a good memory
Dublin play were they are told to play
Parnell Park is there official home ground
Its up to the Leinster council and all the other Leinster counties to decide if they want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park

Dublin play at their home ground for every game or since 2018, nearly every game.

Croke Park is their home ground or de facto home ground, if you want to get into semantics. They even play home league games there for the last decade.

Should the final and semi-finals be played at a team's home ground? The answer to that is no, it should not be. Even more so if that team benefits from huge population and funding advantages as Dublin do.

dunnerc wrote: »

Again the split wont happen unless by agreement from Dublin

Perhaps not, we'll see, but it should happen. The All-Ireland dies if it doesn't. You can watch the All-Ireland final in 2030 as Dublin go for 15 in a row with 200 other supporters and tell yourself it's just the 7th consecutive golden generation.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin play at their home ground for every game or since 2018, nearly every game.

Croke Park is their home ground or de facto home ground, if you want to get into semantics. They even play home league games there for the last decade.

Should the final and semi-finals be played at a team's home ground? The answer to that is no, it should not be. Even more so if that team benefits from huge population and funding advantages as Dublin do.

Dublin play were they are told to play , If the other Leinster Counties wish for Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park they can vote for this

Same for the final and semi final , this can be voted on too

gaffer91 wrote: »

Perhaps not, we'll see, but it should happen. The All-Ireland dies if it doesn't. You can watch the All-Ireland final in 2030 as Dublin go for 15 in a row with 200 other supporters and tell yourself it's just the 7th consecutive golden generation.

No it shouldnt happen , a split should only happen if amalgamations happen
Can you tell me the Lotto numbers please for tonights draw
Seeing as you can tell the future

dunnerc wrote: »

Dublin play were they are told to play , If the other Leinster Counties wish for Dublin to play there home games in Parnell Park they can vote for this

Same for the final and semi final , this can be voted on too

Dublin play at their home stadium. It's not a fair situation. I'm not sure what is confusing to you about this point.

doc_17

dobman88 wrote: »

Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.

All levels of competition except league and championship for the men’s team. Which is what this is about. To suggest that Parnell Park is the home ground for the Dublin men’s team is gaslighting.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92800249&postcount=100

dunnerc wrote: »

No it shouldnt happen , a split should only happen if amalgamations happen
Can you tell me the Lotto numbers please for tonights draw
Seeing as you can tell the future

It should happen- Dublin have been unfairly advantaged for decades by their population, funding and home pitch advantage. The inter-county game is dying because of this. It should happen with or without amalgamations.

I have been quite accurate in predicting this just so you know. Here are a few posts from 2014 and 2015, long before there was ever any five in a row.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92337905&postcount=1

gaffer91 wrote: »

The only major change I'd like to see is Dublin being split into 2 teams. They have a massively unfair advantage in population and funding so despite losing this year I think it is important to pre-empt Dublin dominating the All Ireland series and destroying a lot of people's interest in the sport. It would also serve to make Leinster more competitive.

Anyway, any thoughts on changes you think should be implemented in Gaelic Football?

gaffer91 wrote: »

Do Dublin get too much money? You bet your bottom dollar they do. They already have the massive inbuilt population advantage and the absurd level of funding they get simply rubs salt into the wounds. I'm personally in favour of splitting Dublin in two to help level the playing field.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96112833&postcount=47

gaffer91 wrote: »

The provincial structure is worth keeping, not for the bigger teams but the smaller ones. Teams like Roscommon, Sligo, Louth etc have no hope at winning the All-Ireland and don't care about winning a lower division in the league but a provincial title means the world to the players and the fans.

With regards to Dublin they should absolutely be split in two, if not more. The population advantage they have is absurd. Their dominance since 2005 has already destroyed football in Leinster- who is going to be inspired to play football in any of the other counties when you see all those months of training culminating in a drubbing by Dublin? It's becoming more uncompetitive year on year. With Dublin poised to dominate the All-Ireland series for the forseeable future as well, let's save gaelic football and pre-empt that by splitting Dublin into 2, 3 or even 4 teams to ensure a more level playing field.

overshoot

dobman88 wrote: »

Actually it's ok. It is Parnell Park.

Parnell Park is a GAA stadium in Donnycarney, Dublin, Ireland with a capacity of 13,499. It is the home of the Dublin GAA hurling, football, camogie and ladies' football teams at all levels of competition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parnell_Park#:~:text=Parnell%20Park%20is%20a%20GAA,at%20all%20levels%20of%20competition.

So if you're going to wiki... How many intercounty championship appearances has this entire dublin squad made at parnell park? Cluxton played there once versus the might of london... That's it.

Honestly can't believe people are still clinging to Parnell park is home. Surely Donegal bringing you can't play 'home and neutral' super 8 games in the same venue to Congress puts another end to it.

ArielAtom

overshoot wrote: »

So if you're going to wiki... How many intercounty championship appearances has this entire dublin squad made at parnell park? Cluxton played there once versus the might of london... That's it.

Honestly can't believe people are still clinging to Parnell park is home. Surely Donegal bringing you can't play 'home and neutral' super 8 games in the same venue to Congress puts another end to it.

You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

The Lost Sheep

gaffer91 wrote: »

Look I've no interest in going around again. Most of the points you raised I and others have already dealt with.

The inter-county game is dying as we see from declining interest, attendances and endless debates, now moving more and more into mainstream media, about splitting Dublin.

Not pooling sponsorship kills the game so will help result in an even larger reduction in funds in a few short years.

Not splitting Dublin will be what will drive illness as it kills the inter-county game because of their population, financial doping and other advantages.

And there will be a lot of interest for Dublin subdivisional sides in a few years if they were split. Look at the interest in provincial rugby created in a short period of time. And there is more geographical and personal identification with say a Northwest Dublin team.

And once again- splitting Dublin helps all counties. It saves the competition as an entity so everyone can still compete. No splitting Dublin kills it. So the split helps all counties, including Dublin.

Except interest isnt declining. You have shown nothing to back that up. You keep saying there would be so much interest in these regional sides in Dublin
Youre completely mad if you think you can compare the provincial rugby teams to these supposed gaa sides.
There has been provincial rugby teams playing for 130 years. There has been an interprovincial rugby competition ran as a distinct competition since the 1940s. That cant be compared to this.
Majority of counties will never contest or very rarely will contest provincial finals or get to latter stages of the all ireland.
Take someone like Leitrim. Dublin being split makes zero positive impact on them and actually would make it harder for them. They have played maybe once or twice in the history of the championship. They wont be playing each other in the league any time soon. They wont be able to compete against a split side either. They wont suddenly get more sponsorship money or anything else.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Not if Dublin are playing- it's their home ground. A neutral venue would be better for all finals. If some of those close finals against Mayo had been played in Castlebar or a neutral venue rather than Dublin being at home, it's conceivable they would have swung the other way.

You are mad if you think all irelands should be played outside of croke Park. Its the home of the sport. Its the national stadium. Move occasional replays outside if its 2 non leinster counties like galway/mayo v kerry in Limerick but nothing else.

ShyMets wrote: »

No memory is good. I wanted to see if you were banging the voluntary amalgamation drum.

Splitting Dublin, compulsory county amalgamations, pooled sponsorship and redistribution of funding.

This would create a far more level playing field.

But you seem resistant to that. Is it because you don't want your county amalgamated.

Of perhaps you're agenda is to waken Dublin so you're own county has a better chance of success

Every county doesnt have the same chance of success entering the all ireland each year. No sport is like that. Splitting Dublin does nothing for most counties as they still will lose to these Dublin sides and there chances of reaching latter stages is harder with a second dublin side involved. If we are to talk about level playing field then you would need to split multiple other counties as well

gaffer91 wrote: »

It should happen- Dublin have been unfairly advantaged for decades by their population, funding and home pitch advantage. The inter-county game is dying because of this. It should happen with or without amalgamations.

I have been quite accurate in predicting this just so you know. Here are a few posts from 2014 and 2015, long before there was ever any five in a row.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92337905&postcount=1

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92800249&postcount=100

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96112833&postcount=47

Since the foundation of the GAA when has Dublin not been the biggest county in the country? There will always be counties with much bigger populations. Its a ridiculous point to try and change.

Fann Linn

gaffer91 wrote: »

Not if Dublin are playing- it's their home ground. A neutral venue would be better for all finals. If some of those close finals against Mayo had been played in Castlebar or a neutral venue rather than Dublin being at home, it's conceivable they would have swung the other way.

Dublin haven't been beaten in Castlebar since 2007.

tobefrank321

There are two possible outcomes from the AI final and neither of them will be good for the long term health of the sport.

1. Dublin soundly beat Mayo winning it at a cantor. This will lead to even more people abandoning this farce.

2. Mayo give Dublin a good game and come within 3 points. Dubs and GAA will argue the championship is still competitive and no action is needed. The drubbings they handed out in every game up to the final and the Leinster championship farce will be ignored. A close game will buy Dublin 3 or 4 more years of the status quo but set back the sport at least 10 years in terms of competitiveness.

overshoot

ArielAtom wrote: »

You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

Not in the final text

anyway hardly affects the point that croker was described as Dublin's 'home'

ArielAtom wrote: »

You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

Careful now Ariel. This sounds like you're saying croke park is dublins home venue :eek:

JeffKenna

ArielAtom wrote: »

You do realise that there was never a mention of a neutral venue in the Super 8's.

It was, Home, Away and a Croke Park game. But donn't let facts get in the way.

So what was Dublin's home game?

ArielAtom

JeffKenna wrote: »

So what was Dublin's home game?

The ground they nominate.

ArielAtom

dobman88 wrote: »

Careful now Ariel. This sounds like you're saying croke park is dublins home venue :eek:

Dob, You can nominate any ground you want as your home game. However you home is the one that is registered with the association. I think you may have pointed that out to other posters;)

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin play at their home stadium. It's not a fair situation. I'm not sure what is confusing to you about this point.

What is confusing you about this ? If the rest of the Leinster counties want Dublin to play there home games in Parnell park they can vote for this and make it happen. :rolleyes: