LGFA Issues

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats fine if you want to defend it in terms of the bureaucracy.

A 10 year old girl who hears about this on the morning news, is hearing that the womens all ireland semi final is moved because the mens hurling team have a training session.

And thats what happened.

Awful message about the hierarchy and power imbalance in sport. Horrendous. And all the lads on here defending it.

Semantics or not, that's the case. The LGFA were not organized enough and seemingly took a rather unneeded risk with venue.

Seemingly Galway were stopped in Kinnegad when news of the venue change came though, so that's where the missing half hour went.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/venue-changes-big-hotel-costs-and-a-seven-minute-warm-up-the-week-ladies-football-took-a-step-backwards-39839490.html


It looks like poor organizing all around. Poor of LGFA to have no backup pitch and poor of Galway to have no contingency plan for a delay. The bus they were on could easily have gotten a puncture or encountered an accident or anything. Arriving an hour before an all Ireland semi final doesn't seem like great planning tbh.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Its absolutely everything to do with bargaining power.

That the LGFA would have to accept a deal to play a match in ground, on the basis that if Limerick had a training session they would have to look elsewhere? They dont do that if Croke Park is available. Which it wasnt, until the very last minute. But it was available for the men, from the get go. And with no strings attached. Remind me how much funding GAA got for Croke Park?

Thats a real politicians get out though, fall back on committees and consultants and processes.

What happened was wrong.

My understanding is that they chose the Limerick venue as it was the best option for both teams. It came with a caveat! There should have been a backup plan in the event of Limerick winning and everyone should have been aware of it. This wasn’t done.

I believe and I’m open to correction that this game was rescheduled to facilitate Corks dual players and that’s what upset all the original plans .

Bottom line though is if Galway went directly to CP as soon as they found out about the change they would have arrived at 12 giving them plenty of time to warm up.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/it-was-just-a-disaster-sports-psychologist-jessie-barr-slams-handling-of-ladies-semi-final-39840724.html

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Yeah because they are in such a great bargaining position.

It's not about bargaining. Again, its terrible organisation. When Limerick said they needed their own facilities to prepare for an all Ireland final should they get there, the LGFA should have immediately said no thanks and sourced another venue. This is basic stuff but you seem to have a real bee in your bonnet trying to make it about gender and a male v female thing when its nothing of the sort.

blue note wrote: »

I'd you can understand why an all Ireland final is such a big deal then you should be able to understand why an all Ireland semi final is as well. Wanting it for training isn't a good enough reason to not give it to the girls. If it had been wanted for one of the men's football semi finals last weekend, tipp vs Mayo for example, there isn't a chance in hell limerick would have stopped it because they wanted to train there that day. And they should have applied the same logic to he ladies football semi final.

Its their ground and the game originally was scheduled for Thurles but changed date because of a dual player issue which caused it to be played in Limerick instead.

Talking about mens semi finals is irrelevant.

JRant wrote: »

Well the LGFA rep did say that both county boards gave their blessing for the move. They could have insisted on postponing the game if they couldn't make the throw in. They have to take some responsibility in this as well as the LGFA.

County board doesn't equate to county teams though. Both managements were told they would have adequate time to warm up. Disgusting how the comment came out about Galway spent too long in the changing room.

carq wrote: »

Be interesting to see how many would actually attend if they had to pay.
Packing croke park full of schoolkids gives a false picture of the sports real popularity.

Every club in the country pays - it is a €150 levy collected from every LGFA club. LGFA need to pay to use Croke Park and when attendances were very low, got this levy through. Clubs can claim 6 adult tickets or 2 adults 20 kids (I think) against it

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It's funny the amount of bad press the GAA are getting even though the issues are nothing of their making

The amount of people who don't realize the associations are separate is frightening

Had absolutely nothing to do with the GAA to be fair

jimd2 wrote: »

The lady from the LGFA has come in for a fair bit of flack about this and anyone looking at it rationally would conclude that they are to blame on this.

It is bad planning - when the fixture was initially changed, they came out and blamed Cork for the fact the fixture has to be changed because of camogie, when they were stupid enough to schedule it for that weekend anyway. Then stupid enough to book a pitch on a if basis as opposed to a firm solution. Then stupid enough to put it in Dublin on a pitch that is known for frost, stupid enough not to look at the weather forecast and have a contingency already in place. Simply not good enough.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Women's AI Semi Final rescheduled because mens team have a training session would be second class citizen enough for me, but maybe you have different definitions of what it means.

I'm involved with ladies football, playing for 17 years and admin for 15 right to provincial level. This is not a case of ladies being second class citizens. The LGFA should never negotiate on a what if basis. Limerick were will within their rights - those lads are preparing for one of the biggest games of their careers and would be practising all the little things from arrival etc right to the start of the game in the last hard daylight training session.

elefant wrote: »

Even arriving for a junior club challenge game at your home pitch you'd do well to get everyone into the dressing room, togged and ready to play in half an hour. What do you think they were doing for 30 minutes?

This wasn't a training session they were showing up for!

The dressing rooms in Parnell park are fairly small compared to Croke Park - and there is a limited time you can be in there with Covid regulations now. They had stopped in Kinnegad and I'd imagine a fair few of the girls would have already been partially togged out at that point.

sasta le wrote: »

Could this have been played in Thurles,UL.Dont Limerick Has have a centre of excellence in Martin's town paid for by JP McManus and a football place in Rathkeale

Tipperary were playing in Croke Park, would never have been agreed to. TG4 have the broadcast rights so would need somewhere where there is floodlights and camera positions which would rule out Nowlan Park and Cusack Park.

My issue is also broadcast - so TG4 couldn't organise it to broadcast the game. Then how when I clicked onto the GAA highlights show from Monday night on TG4 they lead with the Cork v Galway game? I'm livid at that one. Journalists at the game covering the ladies game were made sit outside the press box (apparently covid issues) and were told they shouldn't be live streaming the game.

blue note wrote: »

I'd you can understand why an all Ireland final is such a big deal then you should be able to understand why an all Ireland semi final is as well. Wanting it for training isn't a good enough reason to not give it to the girls. If it had been wanted for one of the men's football semi finals last weekend, tipp vs Mayo for example, there isn't a chance in hell limerick would have stopped it because they wanted to train there that day. And they should have applied the same logic to he ladies football semi final.

The GAA wouldn't have been stupid enough to ask for it.

dobman88 wrote: »

What hierarchy and power imbalance? The LGFA is a ladies association with a female president. They made a very poor decision and paid the price for shambolic organisation.

You're wrong with your opinion on this subject when you're clearly ignoring facts that have been explained multiple times.

Problem is that it is the same people at the top for quite a long time - needs new blood and new dynamic thinking

Bonniedog wrote: »

Yes, well there a lot of people only to quick to attack "the gah" over anything.

Cora Staunton's reference to "second class citizens" is risible given as you say that the LGFA is run by other "second class citizens."!

I'd take what Ms Staunton says with a very large pinch of salt, given her attempted character assassination on the then Mayo ladies manager a few ago! Should not be given a national platform IMHO.

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

The dressing rooms in Parnell park are fairly small compared to Croke Park - and there is a limited time you can be in there with Covid regulations now. They had stopped in Kinnegad and I'd imagine a fair few of the girls would have already been partially togged out at that point.

Yes, and even at that you can't expect an inter-county team in an all-Ireland semi final to just throw their jerseys on and run out for a warm-up in 10 minutes. The tactical discussions even before a club challenge game would take up a good chunk of time. If Galway arrived at 12.30 they did well to even be out to warm up by 1pm; they were definitely rushing.

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats fine, if by GAA you mean 'the administrative structure of the GAA'.

For anyone looking at this from a distance, or for a ten year old listening to news reports about, or for their parents bringing her to games, GAA is a sport that her brother plays down the club and that she plays down the club.

She's hearing about this on the radio and is hearing that a womens semifinal got moved because the mens team had a training session. And thats what happened.

'LGFA' is the same game on the same pitch with the same rules as 'MGFA'. It reflects badly on the whole game and in my view the GAA is the big loser in this as many people will see it as the ultimate authority in this matter.

But it is untrue to suggest that the GAA is the ultimate authority on the matter. Also, there is no MGFA so your point looks a bit silly

I still can’t understand why it took 90mins to do a 50min journey !

They would have been told throw in was at 1pm.

Had they got there 30 mins earlier they would have had plenty of time to warm up.

From the outside looking in it seems that this mess was all of Galways making.

padd b1975 wrote: »

Marie Hickey seems to have been president for a long time, although I think she's due to step down shortly.

Is there a limit on how long someone can stay in the top position?

Term is four years, but you can serve two terms. However a number of the past presidents also make up the the management committee. The current CEO was president from 1994 – 1997 and afaik as been CEO since. Majority of the names on that management committee have been there a long while

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats fine, if by GAA you mean 'the administrative structure of the GAA'.

For anyone looking at this from a distance, or for a ten year old listening to news reports about, or for their parents bringing her to games, GAA is a sport that her brother plays down the club and that she plays down the club.

She's hearing about this on the radio and is hearing that a womens semifinal got moved because the mens team had a training session. And thats what happened.

'LGFA' is the same game on the same pitch with the same rules as 'MGFA'. It reflects badly on the whole game and in my view the GAA is the big loser in this as many people will see it as the ultimate authority in this matter.

To say that is disrespectful to Limerick GAA. LGFA were told that if Limerick got to an All Ireland final, they would not have the Gaelic Grounds and they agreed to it - they should never had agreed to it!

elefant wrote: »

Yes, and even at that you can't expect an inter-county team in an all-Ireland semi final to just throw their jerseys on and run out for a warm-up in 10 minutes. The tactical discussions even before a club challenge game would take up a good chunk of time. If Galway arrived at 12.30 they did well to even be out to warm up by 1pm; they were definitely rushing.

Teams stop on the way normally - the tactical discussions are all done before you get to a stadium. Just before the game would be very quick - final words just before going out. If you read the statements from the Galway manager, they found out about the change in venue while they were having a team meeting in Kinnegad. Out to warm up at 12.55 to do the warm up.

Shelflife wrote: »

I still can’t understand why it took 90mins to do a 50min journey !

They would have been told throw in was at 1pm.

Had they got there 30 mins earlier they would have had plenty of time to warm up.

From the outside looking in it seems that this mess was all of Galways making.

They were stopped in Kinnegad when told. That's where the missing time is I'd say.

Galway haven't said what time they left Kinnegad.

Can't see if there's a thread for the Championship, but can anyone confirm if the 2 points for scoring a 45 directly was in-play for this year's Championship and if it's here to stay?

Also - A 45 MUST be taken from the ground I assume?

Thanks

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Yes, the KK proposal went through at Congress and now applies at all levels since May but specifies from the ground.

Up to and including u14 it is from the hands or ground, under 15 upwards is from the ground

Thank you