COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 01:59PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Im under 65 on immune suppressant medication but I fall into categoty 7.

Number 6will be highly abused

I'd be doubtful you'll fall into category 7 to be honest unless you've one of the pre defined underlying conditions which are in the document, then you would.

No it won't because it'll be clearly defined and many would fall into other categories.

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 02:01PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Sorry if it's been asked before but will it be possible to pay for it if you need it sooner than when your category comes up?

Nope it won't.

Theres no deals with private companies from the manufacturers. Everything is currently being done through governments for health services.

ixoy · 08-12-2020 02:02PM

seamus wrote: »

The "All adults who don't fit in any other category" is the largest single category.

Interesting that there's a caveat in there that if the vaccine is show to reduce/prevent transmission then the 18-35 will get priority within the 18-55 category.
I wonder how this will fare as it won't take into account a lot of parents with kids and the social angle there.

SusanC10 · 08-12-2020 02:02PM

I would expect that All Categories will be clearly defined. In particular #6

08-12-2020 02:04PM

Seems a little muddled. UK list had a more logical flow.

If they want "key workers" ahead of medical conditions it should be key workers over a certain age.

Also seems they might prioritise 18-34 over 35-54... because they're more social. Hospitalisation rates spike after the 45+ point so that wouldn't make huge sense to me, along with the fact the 35 - 54 group are more likely to have kids of school age.

You'd hope by the point you get to those groups supply won't be an issue and you won't have to do that.

Pasteur. · 08-12-2020 02:04PM

Hopefully CIE and Bus Eireann will be on board soon to help distribute the vaccine

funnydoggy · 08-12-2020 02:06PM

Pasteur. wrote: »

Hopefully CIE and Bus Eireann will be on board soon to help distribute the vaccine

They'd be a few weeks late :pac:

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 02:11PM

Pasteur. wrote: »

Hopefully CIE and Bus Eireann will be on board soon to help distribute the vaccine

Wait for 1 vaccine and then 3 come along at once

schmoo2k · 08-12-2020 02:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're losing more people every week longer, to be fair. Can't really use the 'it wont save lives' line when it will.

There is a reason for the red tape and it is to not endanger lives...

marno21 · 08-12-2020 02:12PM

IMO for key workers it’d be even more beneficial for them if the vaccine was shown to prevent transmission. If it’s preventing severe disease only it would make more sense for those who have medical conditions which are proven to be affected by the virus to be vaccinated first.

igCorcaigh · 08-12-2020 02:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

pre defined underlying conditions which are in the document

Has this document been published yet?

08-12-2020 02:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'd be doubtful you'll fall into category 7 to be honest unless you've one of the pre defined underlying conditions which are in the document, then you would.

Not sure what they're at really with putting "key workers" ahead of that group. I'd have thought cancer patients and people on heavy duty immunosuppression would have been higher.

Suppose I'll just have to trust they know better than a random lad on the internet!

schmoo2k · 08-12-2020 02:18PM

brisan wrote: »

funnydoggy wrote: »

Dream scenario for Bill and Melinda:D

I don't understand this comment?

08-12-2020 02:20PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336287311311540225?s=19

Ireland's purchase orders for vaccines.

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 02:23PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Has this document been published yet?

Yup link below
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 02:27PM

So vaccine news just keeps coming today.

FDA have just released a briefing document ahead of its meeting on Thursday in relation to Pfizer & BioNTech

In it they state theres no specific concerns that would preclude EUA approval, they're happy with the safety data.

On efficency, after the first dose there is an immune response with around 52% seen after 10 days.

After second dose in those aged 16 to 55 efficency is seen as 95.6% and over 55 94%.

Stheno · 08-12-2020 02:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So vaccine news just keeps coming today.

FDA have just released a briefing document ahead of its meeting on Thursday in relation to Pfizer & BioNTech

In it they state theres no specific concerns that would preclude EUA approval, they're happy with the safety data.

On efficency, after the first dose there is an immune response with around 52% seen after 10 days.

After second dose in those aged 16 to 55 efficency is seen as 95.6% and over 55 94%.

Sounds like they are close to approval no?

BrianD3 · 08-12-2020 02:32PM

marno21 wrote: »

Here we go:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336283483799490561

Looking forward to this getting underway. I am in the 2nd from last group so it will be sometime before I see one, but the comfort and security for those in the initial groups once they receive this and the population as a whole starts getting it will be wonderful.

Am I missing something or is there not one mention of family carers in there. In particular sole carers such as myself.

Absolute rubbish in that case and shows what the state thinks of us. Family carers are the very people who through unpaid work, kept many elderly and vulnerable people out of nursing homes and hospitals, preventing deaths and reducing pressure on service. Also the people who must have close contact with a vulnerable person yet who can't afford to bring Covid into the residence. Also the people who, if, they themselves are hospitalised with Covid, have little or no backup from anyone to help with caring for their care recipient.

Sconsey · 08-12-2020 02:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup link below
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

Something does not seem right about this list me....someone with cystic fibrosis (for example) that is under 65 will be in the 7th group, even though they are stuck cucooning for months and at a much greater than risk than a healthy 65 year old.

ShineOn7 · 08-12-2020 02:33PM

Eye catching comment on Reddit Ireland, telling it like it is

Hmmmm and Hmmzzzz: would love your thoughts

The EMA is reviewing all the data, now, and approving it for general use in humans. Once it is fully approved, that's it.

The MHRA has chosen to give an Emergency Use Authorisation, which means they have not yet reviewed all the data, nor satisfied themselves as to either the safety or efficacy of the vaccine. It will still have to get authorisation for general use.

I would far rather be in the European Union than the United Kingdom just now.

The EMA is prioritising safety. The MHRA prioritised speed.
Let's be clear about two things:
In the next few weeks, the vaccine will be assessed as entirely safe for use in the European Union and vaccinations will begin. It uses fundamentally pre-existing knowledge and technology and has passed increasingly rigorous pre-clinical, phase I, phase II, and phase III trials. It has undergone internal analysis and review, and for the regulator to catch something at this stage that Pfizer did not would be virtually unprecedented.

The British did not and do not care if it is safe or not. They wanted their retard Minister to be able to go on television and dribble about how the vaccine developed by joint American/Turko-German efforts somehow proved that the UK was "better than all the other countries". For them, being first mattered more than being safe.

We prioritise safety. They prioritised PR.

ShineOn7 · 08-12-2020 02:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup link below
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

At first glance, that doesn't seem to include all the groups listed on HSE's high risk group

08-12-2020 02:35PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Something does not seem right about this list me....someone with cystic fibrosis (for example) that is under 65 will be in the 7th group, even though they are stuck cucooning for months and at a much greater than risk than a healthy 65 year old.

Yeah it's the least logical aspect of this, "key workers" could be huge numbers too.

stephenjmcd · 08-12-2020 02:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

Sounds like they are close to approval no?

Independent review this Thursday, thats live steamed, data literally will be gone through to a very low level.

After that then FDA expected to give EUA

ShineOn7 · 08-12-2020 02:38PM

Hardyn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1336287311311540225?s=19

Ireland's purchase orders for vaccines.

Amazing

Have they all gone through as vigorous trials as Pfizer?

For example; I haven't a notion who CureVac are not sure I'd be in the queue for that one

SusanC10 · 08-12-2020 02:40PM

I remember when the Swine Flu Vaccine was rolled out, that my Husband and I plus our eldest child were vaccinated in one of the first categories because of our infant daughter (less than 6 mths old) was too young to get the vaccine.

I wonder will they do something similar for children with underlying health issues? Vaccinate the household ?

expectationlost · 08-12-2020 02:43PM

If the gov can't manage to get enough Flu vaccine then how do we expect them to get enough covid vaccine?

08-12-2020 02:47PM

expectationlost wrote: »

If the gov can't manage to get enough Flu vaccine then how do we expect them to get enough covid vaccine?

Cause it's out of their hands! EU does the deal, we sign off on the money and we get a per capita allocation.

That said I think we should aim for bilateral deals once the priority groups are done.

titan18 · 08-12-2020 02:49PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

Am I missing something or is there not one mention of family carers in there. In particular sole carers such as myself.

Absolute rubbish in that case and shows what the state thinks of us. Family carers are the very people who through unpaid work, kept many elderly and vulnerable people out of nursing homes and hospitals, preventing deaths and reducing pressure on service. Also the people who must have close contact with a vulnerable person yet who can't afford to bring Covid into the residence. Also the people who, if, they themselves are hospitalised with Covid, have little or no backup from anyone to help with caring for their care recipient.

I'd sort of assume you might be in the group of other HCWs in contact with patients. I'm assuming that group is the most logical fit and would also include likes of porters, maintenance staff in hospitals etc

08-12-2020 02:53PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Amazing

Have they all gone through as vigorous trials as Pfizer?

For example; I haven't a notion who CureVac are not sure I'd be in the queue for that one

Well Johnson and Johnson have over 60,000 participants in their trial which makes it the largest one so far. It also includes the 12-18 age group.

CureVac are still only in Phase II so they're a ways behind the rest. Be next spring/summer at the earliest before we see anything from them. That said they've had some very impressive results so far so worth keeping an eye on.

titan18 · 08-12-2020 02:54PM

Also, how are teachers not in the key workers section, or even in the Key workers in essential jobs who cannot avoid a high risk of exposure to COVID-19. That seems stupid

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