Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

Gervais08 · 06-12-2020 02:56PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Here's your post in it's entirity.

Other than the third line, how have you "literally described [raising awareness of and eradicating racism] in my post" as you claimed to have done?

I hate the lame tactic of being deliberate obtuse. It’s like talking to a ****ing toddler.

The campaigns being successfully run such as Kick It Out should be left to get on with their goals. They are helping.

This ****e is not. Nor are you. I’m done trying to talk to a wall.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-12-2020 03:13PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I hate the lame tactic of being deliberate obtuse. It’s like talking to a ****ing toddler.

The campaigns being successfully run such as Kick It Out should be left to get on with their goals. They are helping.

This ****e is not. Nor are you. I’m done trying to talk to a wall.

So.. in other words awareness campains are better than awareness campaigns.

And you think YOU'RE the one talking to a brick wall?

06-12-2020 03:45PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not entirely - it was started by Colin Kapernick as a personal protest. The BLM association came later.

It doesn't matter where it started.. it matters where it currently is. ie. a direct association with BLM.

No idea what you're trying to say here, but pretty sure it's not based on something I posted.

Anyway - how do you expect social change to come about if no one makes an effort to change it?

I quoted your piece. It was in response to your point about the authorities not seeing the problem.

Social change regarding racism, and what is acceptable behavior, has been happening for decades already.

Blameing the victim

Nope. Recognising that people will use the advantages available to them. Sorry.. I don't believe everyone is honest, and I do believe that many people who play the race card, or discrimination card, are doing so for the benefits it gains them.

So again - sit back, do nothing, and complain about those who to bring about the social change being communist/maexist/whatever ignorant lable is flavour of the month; whaile waiting for social change to happen...?

I've no problem with change. I have a problem with short sighted attempts at change that generate more support for the problem involved, especially when it involves generating hostility against those who don't immediately fall into line.

And I place my trust in the authorities to enforce the laws that exist. A person who is discriminated against can engage the law for protection. Official complaints and processes, increase statistics and puts things on formal record, which encourages the authorities to deal with any problems involved.

You did.

Huh? You sure you haven't misread my point again?

ii.e. - sit about and wait. Because ultimately, it's not a problem you face.

(Which is fine in itself - but how do you tell people for whom it IS a problem to "let the authorties do a job" (when the authorites are the ones breaking the law) and wait util "socitety changes around them and they gradually lose the belief")

"So you suffered a racial crime at the hands of the police - don't worrry, it'll be gone in a decade or so when the police get round to tackling the problem"?

Ahh well.. it's not a problem I face? I tend to live in Asia where racism towards white people is common, so... yeah.. I've also experienced racism in Africa too.

Are you sure you're arguing with what I've written or what's in your own head? Because I'm seeing a lot of interjecting of ideas coming entirely from you, and which you're disagreeing with.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-12-2020 03:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't matter where it started.. it matters where it currently is. ie. a direct association with BLM.

So, because it got taken over by BLM, it's no longer about rasiing awareness of racism..?

I quoted your piece. It was in response to your point about the authorities not seeing the problem.

The one that had nothing to do with China or Russia?

Social change regarding racism, and what is acceptable behavior, has been happening for decades already.

And you point is...?

Nope. Recognising that people will use the advantages available to them. Sorry.. I don't believe everyone is honest, and I do believe that many people who play the race card, or discrimination card, are doing so for the benefits it gains them.

Nor do I. But assuming it's automatically a case of using advantages such as the discrimination card is definitely blaming the victim.

I've no problem with change. I have a problem with short sighted attempts at change that generate more support for the problem involved, especially when it involves generating hostility against those who don't immediately fall into line.

Never said you did. Your attidutde is that, while it's not a problem that effects you, you don't care about whether it changes or not or how long it takes.

And I place my trust in the authorities to enforce the laws that exist. A person who is discriminated against can engage the law for protection. Official complaints and processes, increase statistics and puts things on formal record, which encourages the authorities to deal with any problems involved.

We're going around in circles. You're assuming that the autorites are not racist. If that was the case, there'd be no such things as BLM or taking the knee. They were born - effectively or otherwise - by police forces using excess violence and killing black people. Why would a black person go to an authority who had just beaten up a black suspect? Why would they trust someone else in authority to behave any differently?

Huh? You sure you haven't misread my point again?

Passively waiting.

Ahh well.. it's not a problem I face? I tend to live in Asia where racism towards white people is common, so... yeah.. I've also experienced racism in Africa too.

Are you sure you're arguing with what I've written or what's in your own head? Because I'm seeing a lot of interjecting of ideas coming entirely from you, and which you're disagreeing with.

Have you actually been the victim of a racial crime?

Sardonicat · 06-12-2020 04:04PM

normanoffside wrote: »

BBC football commentator suspended for describing a scuffle between players as 'Handbags'

https://punditarena.com/football/oisinmcqueirns2758/bbc-suspend-pundit-comment/

Viewers raised concerns over that? What's wrong with it? Does anyone know?

growleaves · 06-12-2020 04:12PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Viewers raised concerns over that? What's wrong with it? Does anyone know?

No idea.

The turnover of careers due to fake controversies has added to empoyment insecurity imo. Although most people don't lose their job over fake controversies but they're aware that they could.

Dyr · 06-12-2020 04:15PM

Gervais08 wrote: »

I hate the lame tactic of being deliberate obtuse. It’s like talking to a ****ing toddler.

The campaigns being successfully run such as Kick It Out should be left to get on with their goals. They are helping.

This ****e is not. Nor are you. I’m done trying to talk to a wall.

Common enough tactic, deliberate obtuseness and attempt to redfine commonly accepted terms.

Of course the initiatives within soccer were just that, inititiaves within soccer to tackle racism within soccer, not a political movement like Black Lives Matter shoe horning themselves into an issue, in classic Marxist entryist fashion

If players were bending knees for a "We love Britain" campaign spearheaded by Tommy Robinson who was declaring that anyone that didnt bend a knee must not love Britain then you'd have a perfect counter example as to what BLM is.

Sardonicat · 06-12-2020 04:25PM

growleaves wrote: »

No idea.

The turnover of careers due to fake controversies has added to empoyment insecurity imo. Although most people don't lose their job over fake controversies but they're aware that they could.

Hey, if someone makes a racist, homophobic or misogynistic comment I've no problem with them being pulled up for it. Even, if not especially, when it was once the kind of comment considered harmless back in their day and not intended to offend by the commentator. We all need to be reminded to watch our language from time to time and those of from the 1970s and earlier have a wealth of expressions on the tips of our tongues that aren't intended to offend but do so by reinforcing negative stereotypes. We do need telling sometimes why it's 'not ok to say that', learn our lesson and apologise. But 'handbags'? Who does that offend? Aggressive old ladies?

06-12-2020 04:36PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

So, because it got taken over by BLM, it's no longer about rasiing awareness of racism..?

Sure, it is... but that's not the point. It generates the perception of support for BLM... and seeks to punish those who don't bend the knee. Many people will be happy to promote awareness about racism, but not support BLM, which has too many political connections... associations that those people don't want to support.

The one that had nothing to do with China or Russia?

Being that social change directly affects the laws of the land... Whereas in China/Russia, the opposite is true.

And you put two different points within a single sentence. Which I responded to.

And you point is...?

That it doesn't need this sudden outburst such as you're doing right now, suggesting that people need to take action about it, otherwise they're part of the problem.

Racism in Ireland is already completely unacceptable. The same can be said for most European countries, or there is definite movement towards that acceptance.

Nor do I. But assuming it's automatically a case of using advantages such as the discrimination card is definitely blaming the victim.

You're seeking a black/white declaration. Which is why you can't accept nuance.

Never said you did. Your attidutde is that, while it's not a problem that effects you, you don't care about whether it changes or not or how long it takes.

I really don't need you to tell me what my attitude is... it's right up there where I wrote it. I also don't need you to reinterpret what I've said...

Because that's precisely what you've just done.

We're going around in circles. You're assuming that the autorites are not racist. If that was the case, there'd be no such things as BLM or taking the knee. They were born - effectively or otherwise - by police forces using excess violence and killing black people. Why would a black person go to an authority who had just beaten up a black suspect? Why would they trust someone else in authority to behave any differently?

We're going around in circles because you keep making assumptions based on nothing I've said. I didn't say that authorities were not racist, nor did I say that they were racist. You introduced that all by yourself... after the fact.

I wonder do you really understand what we're talking about here, because you're constantly shifting goalposts and the parameters of the conversation.

Passively waiting.

Actively reinterpreting everything to suit your worldview.. :rolleyes:

Have you actually been the victim of a racial crime?

Yes. I have in a variety of countries, from assault to discrimination. Have you?

Zebra3 · 06-12-2020 04:46PM

Players “taking the knee” only a few weeks after paying tribute to those who took part in Britain’s murderous race wars.

And the problem are the fans who booed this nonsense?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 06-12-2020 04:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sure, it is... but that's not the point. It generates the perception of support for BLM... and seeks to punish those who don't bend the knee. Many people will be happy to promote awareness about racism, but not support BLM, which has too many political connections... associations that those people don't want to support.

Being that social change directly affects the laws of the land... Whereas in China/Russia, the opposite is true.

And you put two different points within a single sentence. Which I responded to.

That it doesn't need this sudden outburst such as you're doing right now, suggesting that people need to take action about it, otherwise they're part of the problem.

Racism in Ireland is already completely unacceptable. The same can be said for most European countries, or there is definite movement towards that acceptance.

You're seeking a black/white declaration. Which is why you can't accept nuance.

I really don't need you to tell me what my attitude is... it's right up there where I wrote it. I also don't need you to reinterpret what I've said...

Because that's precisely what you've just done.

We're going around in circles because you keep making assumptions based on nothing I've said. I didn't say that authorities were not racist, nor did I say that they were racist. You introduced that all by yourself... after the fact.

I wonder do you really understand what we're talking about here, because you're constantly shifting goalposts and the parameters of the conversation.

Actively reinterpreting everything to suit your worldview.. :rolleyes:

Yes. I have in a variety of countries, from assault to discrimination. Have you?

At this point, I'm bowing out.

You're using a lot of arguements that you wnt to be true that aren't, and some I didn;t even say! All hightlighted in bold.

I can only argue my point - I can't argue your misinterpretation of it.

06-12-2020 04:54PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

At this point, I'm bowing out.

You're using a lot of arguements that you wnt to be true that aren't, and some I didn;t even say! All hightlighted in bold.

I can only argue my point - I can't argue your misinterpretation of it.

Hilarious. Misinterpretation? Nah. But sure, let's finish up.. I don't see the point of arguing with someone who feels the need to reinterpret others posts to suit their own narrative to disagree with.

1800_Ladladlad · 06-12-2020 06:26PM

I am horrified and I'm absolutely outraged. A homophobic footballer in the premier league smashed an LGBT corner flag during an act of hate today. The FA must release a statement on this immediately and I demand the player be suspended for the foreseeable future and lose all their social credits. This was clearly a homophobic gesture made by cis white male and anybody who disagrees is homophobic.

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vrf

I have reported it to the twitter PD.

Morathi · 06-12-2020 06:41PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Im am horrified and I'm absolutely outraged. A homophobic footballer in the premier league smashed an LGBT corner flag during an act of hate today. The FA must release a statement on this immediately and I demand the player be suspended for the foreseeable future and lose all their social credits. This was clearly a homophobic gesture made by cis white male and anybody who disagrees is homophobic.

vrf

I have reported it to the twitter PD.

XD XD

I am suitably offended, and it feels good, thank you.

IAMAMORON · 06-12-2020 09:22PM

Ice Cream manufacturers should be cancelled imo.

In fairness they changed this one up in the 90's. Shrewd enough down the marketing department in HB.

Rebranded

Barna77 · 07-12-2020 12:02AM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ice Cream manufacturers should be cancelled imo.

In fairness they changed this one up in the 90's. Shrewd enough down the marketing department in HB.

That reminds me of a brand of drinking chocolate that we have in Spain, sold since the 1940s.

In the 50s they ran an ad which had a song, telling the story of a happy black man who happily collected cocoa to make the chocolate. That song became quite iconic, as it's so catchy. Everyone in Spain can recognise it.

In the 1990s they made a new ad, same song, but with three well payed black football players singing it. Very tongue in cheek and I don't remember if there was any fuss or hassle. In college I had an Irish teacher who was horrified after watching the ad and said that you'd never have anything like that here in Ireland (a couple of years later I moved to Ireland; I was very amused when I saw lots of ads or campaigns with girls, pretty much half naked promoting the lottery, mortgages and such (the famous ad for a housing estate with a couple over a kitchen island :rolleyes:) )

This year they released a new ad campaign, changing the lyrics perceived as racist. Though there's a line that sounds like "take a gram of happiness" hahaha

Quantum Erasure · 07-12-2020 12:32PM

https://www.buzz.ie/movies-tv/monster-hunter-pulled-from-chinese-cinemas-amid-racism-row-404744?

The film ‘Monster Hunter’ has been pulled from Chinese cinemas after a controversy stormed online relating to a joke in the film considered to be racially offensive.

The controversy revolves around a 10-second exchange in which Asian-American actor rapper/actor Jin Au-Yeung (aka MC Jin) riffs to his partner “Look at my knees. What kind of knees are these? Chinese.”

This is felt to be a reference to the racist playground rhyme “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these”, which is considered offensive.

storker · 07-12-2020 04:50PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

But 'handbags'? Who does that offend? Aggressive old ladies?

Possibly the Batley Townswomen's Guild...

Sardonicat · 07-12-2020 04:57PM

storker wrote: »

Possibly the Batley Townswomen's Guild...

Thank you. I meant to post that myself!

O'Neill · 07-12-2020 06:49PM

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

AllForIt · 07-12-2020 07:04PM

O'Neill wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

Only if they wish to identify as woke themselves.

07-12-2020 08:05PM

O'Neill wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted before but would it be fair to put the anti-vaxxers into the ‘woke’ group?

I don't think so, since I know a number of anti-vaxxers and their desires/interests only extend to themselves. They don't seem to be interested in forcing everyone else to not only accept their choices (they seem not to care too much), but also aren't demanding that everyone else play by their rules.

IMHO The woke crowd generally demand that everyone else lives by their rules, and by their standards (whether those standards apply to themselves is an entirely different question).

Biker79 · 07-12-2020 08:26PM

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Wouldnt have thought of them as Woke though. Seems more of a pagan/ hippy thing.

EmmetSpiceland · 07-12-2020 08:49PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

This is felt to be a reference to the racist playground rhyme “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, look at these”, which is considered offensive.

Only if you do the “eye thing” while saying it, Q. Talking about Chinese knees is just, personal, anatomy.

IAMAMORON · 07-12-2020 08:49PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Wouldnt have thought of them as Woke though. Seems more of a pagan/ hippy thing.

Sure Jehovah's Witness refuse blood transfusions. Madness. I think it is disrespectful to previous medical innovation that people underutilise its' progress, to what end, prove some ideal that they don't even have the mental capacity to comprehend?

Billions of hours of human brainpower, has spent thousands of epochs, developing medical science to where it is today? Yet there exists people who are not even qualified to know better, thinking that they are an authority on it?

Thinking that your immune system is capable of single handedly repelling every illness or ailment the earth can throw at you.. is akin to ending an argument with your fingers in your ears shouting , "I don't care, I am not listening to you anymore, nah nah nah nah nah nah nah, em ememememe" ad lib to fade.

Ask the almost 32 million people who have died of AIDS what they think about their immune system and how bullet proof the Antivaxxers told them it should be?

But no, there is actually very little correlation between Anti Vaxxers and Wokism, apart from the irony that whilst they both think they are both on the ball and have a clue, they are actually massively detached from reality they are so phucking stupid.

07-12-2020 08:50PM

We used to say “money please” instead of “look at these”.

EmmetSpiceland · 07-12-2020 08:54PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

We used to say “money please” instead of “look at these”.

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

Sardonicat · 07-12-2020 08:56PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

'Look at these' here, as an early developer I'd give a little jiggle just to drive home the point. Could we have a non-racist version that I can adapt to make upright people uncomfortable again?

07-12-2020 09:00PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Same here. Think I’d have preferred the other one, though.

The outsides of the eyes were pulled upwards for Chinese and downwards for Japanese. God knows why, I don’t think I’d seen either by that stage of my life.

07-12-2020 09:00PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Anti-vaxxers seem to have a strong faith in their own immune systems.

There was a time when the immune system was left to fend for itself, so I suppose it makes sense, in a certain context.

Is it Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all that? Natures natural way of culling the sick, the weak, the unfortunate and, well, the stupid.

Nature is brutal.

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Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users