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'Quarters' a failure or the future?

  • 04-12-2020 10:37am
    #1
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭


    I'm a fan of the waterbreak and I think that four quarters should be kept post Covid. Its good for the players to have a break and it allows the better coaches to make changes and reset the team even though its technically not supposed to be a coaching moment. It seems to suit Limerick anyway. Its good for the fans as it allows them to nip out to the ablutions or get a drink, have a quick chat ect.Its in so many sports in the States like Lacrosse, Basketball ect. What do you guys think?


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  • #2
    dobman88
    Registered Users Posts: 6,460 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Not a fan. As a player, I hate it. As a fan, I hate it. You're just getting into the game and then theres a break. Very frustrating. I'd scrap it asap but understand the need for it atm.


  • #3
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    Any possibility of increased time?

    Four quarters of 20 mins. Proper break between each quarter. Say maybe 3 minutes. No confusion with clocks running during each break etc.

    Fitness levels are gone so high don’t think that would be an issue.

    Maybe too long and dragged out? Especially a one sided game

    Not saying I’m for it but just throwing it out there. Personally I’d probably just go back to normal set up of 35 mins per half. I would definitely look into making the timing more transparent to spectators. Taking time away from ref is really needed


  • #4
    Rolo2010
    Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Rolo2010


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    I'm a fan of the waterbreak and I think that four quarters should be kept post Covid. Its good for the players to have a break and it allows the better coaches to make changes and reset the team even though its technically not supposed to be a coaching moment. It seems to suit Limerick anyway. Its good for the fans as it allows them to nip out to the ablutions or get a drink, have a quick chat ect.Its in so many sports in the States like Lacrosse, Basketball ect. What do you guys think?

    Don't agree with any of this. This isn't American football. It's 35 minutes. Any player who is fit can handle that. Not a chance water breaks will be kept post-Covid.


  • #5
    bocaman
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭bocaman


    No need for a water break in the middle of December. Also the continuity of the game is broken.


  • #6
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭threeball


    The coaches have enough time to make an impact in the run up to the game and half time. The Players should be left to implement that plan or change it on the hoof if its not working. I don't want to see us in a situation where coaching is changing the direction of games at breaks and momentum that a team works hard to build is taken away at a refs whim.

    We've seen huge swings this year where a team has worked their way into a game, run up 3 or 4pts on the trot only for the ref to blow just as they're building up a head of steam. The opoosition coach has identified where his team are been got at and shuts it down and the other team has to figure out another way whilst their hand has already been shown. For me its completely wrong and takes more away from the fluidity of the game than a video review or other such rule changes ever would.


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  • #7
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    bocaman wrote: »
    No need for a water break in the middle of December. Also the continuity of the game is broken.

    You actually need hydration no matter what month of the year it is. I think breaking up the continuity of the game isn't a bad thing. It means teams have to reset and go again. If they are good enough they can quickly find their groove.
    There is a welfare issue. The players are amateurs and they arent as fit as pros. Never will be. The quarters could mean the game goes 4 periods of 20mins with 3 min breaks. Theres a valid argument to be made for it.
    Most of the players ...8 out of the 10 I spoke to said they'd like to keep the water breaks. I think most coaches would aswell. What is there to be afraid of with quarters? It actually allows an ad break for TV.. allows fans a break and players a break.


  • #8
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Our u15/16 team loved them this year. As a manager I think they are a great thing as well.


  • #9
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭arctictree


    What I found very strange this year was that the quarters seemed to be not evenly spread out. Sometimes the first one was after 15 minutes, other times after 25. Sometimes the ref even forgot about them altogether.


  • #10
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    arctictree wrote: »
    What I found very strange this year was that the quarters seemed to be not evenly spread out. Sometimes the first one was after 15 minutes, other times after 25. Sometimes the ref even forgot about them altogether.

    We had one that happened in the 22nd minute of an u16 final. Both sides screaming at the ref about the time.


  • #11
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    It is a silly rule, and whatever tenuous reason there might be for having one during the Covid panic, there is no reason why 30 fit people need a break every 15 minutes.

    It obviously does break momentum which is not fair to the team on top at the time.


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  • #12
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,883 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    What to managers and players think? Haven't heard much from them on the subject, doesnt bother me either way tbh


  • #13
    PTH2009
    Registered Users Posts: 37,711 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Limerick and there bloody white board


  • #14
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Limerick and there bloody white board

    Wasn't seen against Galway. Wonder were they reminded that it isn't meant to be a coaching break.


  • #15
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    I think if a player wants a drink there's enough stoppages in the game or they can swap positions for the 10-20 seconds it takes to get a drink. When a free is given, there is at least a minute there to get a drink of water.
    I'd scrap it altogether.


  • #16
    Deiselurker
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Deiselurker


    No need for these water/coaching breaks at all. It breaks up the game too much. Hope they are ended after this year.


  • #17
    RamonD3
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭RamonD3


    Have I the wrong end of the stick about this, I thought the break wasn't about player fitness, but about players having designated water bottles because of covid?


  • #18
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    RamonD3 wrote: »
    Have I the wrong end of the stick about this, I thought the break wasn't about player fitness, but about players having designated water bottles because of covid?

    That's exactly it. Some seem to have deliberately gotten the wrong end of the stick.

    You actually perspire more during cold weather but just don't realise it.


  • #19
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Wasn't seen against Galway. Wonder were they reminded that it isn't meant to be a coaching break.

    Can’t understand the use of a ‘white board’...?

    Dots and lines and scribbles of text....is it deemed a better way to communicate stats to the players...whatever about half using it at half time in a dressing room but producing it at a 1 to 2 min water brake is laughable....

    In any case getting back to the topic......the ‘sos uisce’ should be de-commissioned once cv-19 crisis is over....!


  • #20
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    RamonD3 wrote: »
    Have I the wrong end of the stick about this, I thought the break wasn't about player fitness, but about players having designated water bottles because of covid?

    So getting them into a huddle when they are all breathing like steam engines is safer then ;)

    Not slagging you, just one of the many absurdities this year has thrown up, but nearly certain it has been talked about as something that will continue.

    Would surely be no more complex to have individualised water bottles than hurls, helmets, gloves etc?


  • #21
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Can’t understand the use of a ‘white board’...?

    Dots and lines and scribbles of text....is it deemed a better way to communicate stats to the players...whatever about half using it at half time in a dressing room but producing it at a 1 to 2 min water brake is laughable....

    In any case getting back to the topic......the ‘sos uisce’ should be de-commissioned once cv-19 crisis is over....!

    I'm only guessing but I'd imagine with the 60/90 second break it's easier to have the few key messages written down.


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  • #22
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Can’t understand the use of a ‘white board’...?

    Dots and lines and scribbles of text....is it deemed a better way to communicate stats to the players...whatever about half using it at half time in a dressing room but producing it at a 1 to 2 min water brake is laughable....

    In any case getting back to the topic......the ‘sos uisce’ should be de-commissioned once cv-19 crisis is over....!

    Well the team that seems to use the water breaks the best is Limerick . The white board is a visual aid and its easy to cast an eye on it. Some teams don't have a clue how to use the water break. The management stroll down and the players flop around. Its a great opportunity to get important messages on, assess niggles and just reset. Look how Dublin use it or again basketball teams. There's alot of slow learners out there..good article in one of the papers today highlighting how amateur some team managements are during the water break in comparison to Dublin.


  • #23
    carq
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭carq


    If sure this is being blown out of all proportion!

    There were always huge swings in games and momentum shifts, teams going 10 mins without a score. Now there is a waterbreak it is just easier to divide the time and identify it.



    Its lazy commentary.


  • #24
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    carq wrote: »
    If sure this is being blown out of all proportion!

    There were always huge swings in games and momentum shifts, teams going 10 mins without a score. Now there is a waterbreak it is just easier to divide the time and identify it.



    Its lazy commentary.

    Back when I was playing at home if we were under the kosher and momentum had totally swung a messsabeused to be sent in for someone 'to go down'. There would be a backs meeting and a forwards meeting on the pitch where a few key messages and words of encouragement would be issued.


  • #25
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Well the team that seems to use the water breaks the best is Limerick . The white board is a visual aid and its easy to cast an eye on it. Some teams don't have a clue how to use the water break. The management stroll down and the players flop around. Its a great opportunity to get important messages on, assess niggles and just reset. Look how Dublin use it or again basketball teams. There's alot of slow learners out there..good article in one of the papers today highlighting how amateur some team managements are during the water break in comparison to Dublin.

    Innovative and using what is available to them. Any team not doing so is behind the curve and handing a marginal gain to their opposition.


  • #26
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Innovative and using what is available to them. Any team not doing so is behind the curve and handing a marginal gain to their opposition.

    So white board sales and non-permanent marker sales will soar this Christmas...!


  • #27
    KevRossi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,375 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    I’m opposed to it. If a manager can’t make a tactical switch during the match by giving instructions from the sideline then it’s a poor reflection on them.

    As a supporter it will only give the usual suspects an excuse to head for the shop or bar and clamber over you twice per half.

    As a TV viewer it’s more ads and pundits saying stuff for the sake of it. I’ve enough of that at half time.

    Never as a (poor) player or a supporter have i ever heard anyone requesting 4 quarters before this year. As regards fitness, most players fade over 70 mins, water break or no water break.


  • #28
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    So white board sales and non-permanent marker sales will soar this Christmas...!

    Not talking about the above but anyone not taking advantage of the water break is behind the curve and is missing a trick.


  • #29
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    KevRossi wrote: »

    As a TV viewer it’s more ads and pundits saying stuff for the sake of it. I’ve enough of that at half time.

    When and where has there been additional ads this year during the water break?

    There hasn't been any. Stop making up stuff.


  • #30
    KevRossi
    Registered Users Posts: 4,375 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    When and where has there been additional ads this year during the water break?

    There hasn't been any. Stop making up stuff.

    If they are introducing it full time and go for a scheduled 3 Minute break I would expect the TV channels will take advantage and use it to show ads.


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  • #31
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    KevRossi wrote: »
    If they are introducing it full time and go for a scheduled 3 Minute break I would expect the TV channels will take advantage and use it to show ads.

    Where has it been mentioned that there are plans to increase to three minutes?


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