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My marriage is over but I can't walk away

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    On reading your post, I knew it wouldn’t take long for you to be blamed for what you feel. You’ve unfortunately stumbled into a forum where everyone is perfect, takes 100% responsibility for everything they did, and had 20:20 foresight into all decisions that they made about their life.

    I’d recommend reading the below article. Good to see someone understand that men actually have feelings and emotions and can be hurt when they don’t receive any affection. It’s manifests through sex for men but it’s affection that’s sought - a normal need for every human being.

    I also would say that ‘fixing’ is an outcome that I don’t think can be achieved by either party. In fact, I’m not sure there’s anything can be fixed. More counselling is always worth it - it just depends on what the end point is. What do you both want. Or perhaps, what do you both not want.

    I also wouldn’t leave my daughter - at all, no matter what. Ever. I wouldn’t leave my home either. You’ve done nothing wrong. Either of you.

    If it were me, I would hope that me and spouse would come to an agreement that we would both stay in the house, share costs and responsibilities and both parent that child. It’s both your home and both your child. There’s nothing to say that you can’t have a healthy friendship and a positive loving environment for your child.

    The kicker is that you aren’t husband and wife. But you’re already not so perhaps better to call it out now and live with it as best as you both can.

    As for sex - you either agree to be able to see people outside the home, discreetly or give up on it until your child is raised and you can both move on.

    No easy answers for you. Best of luck.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/my-husband-is-upset-because-i-didn-t-initiate-our-sex-schedule-1.4368360?mode=amp


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    Sorry about what youre going through.
    Im going to be honest and this might come across a bit harsh but its not meant that way.

    You refer to her as the 'perfect wife' because she does all the cleaning, washing, ironing & pays for everything. It sounds like she is only perfect because she does everything for you. It also sounds like you only value her based on what she can do for you. What is she getting out of this marriage? What do you offer to her? Would you love her and want to satisfy her sexually while you work hard, clean the house, cook all her meals, wash and iron her clothes & pay for everything for her? She sounds like a servant, not a wife. When she married you she no doubt assumed she was taking on an equal partner, not a man child that needs to have everything done for him and then complains that he wants more from her. Respect is give and take, it goes both ways. You cant treat someone like a doormat or like a mother and then expect them to desire you. That would cause resentment in any relationship.

    Secondly do you have idea of what a womans body goes through during and after a pregnancy and giving birth? You dont just spring back after 6 weeks & you said she does all the childcare with night feeds and the baby taking up all her time, sex and pleasing you doesnt come into it. Did you ask her how she was feeling without making it all about you? Is she able to go to counselling?

    What are you bringing to this relationship?

    Ill be completely honest, you sound narcissistic and a complete nightmare to live with.

    OP - You’re not a narcissist and you’re not a complete nightmare to live with. You’re a person with feelings and emotions who is struggling with the situation that you’re in.

    Just as much as this poster is not a psychiatrist or a clinical physiologist.

    Your feelings and emotions - however they may be caused by your actions (either in full or in part) - do not need to be medicalised, nor dismissed as a mental health problem.

    People who have been diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder are people too, who need clinical support by trained experts. Those people have friends and family who want them to get the help they need because they love them. So even if you do have this clinically diagnosed psychiatric disorder - it doesn’t mean that you be thrown on the junk heap and labelled as a nightmare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    A grown woman can tell for themselves if they are gay, bisexual or whatever else.

    Yeah, cos no one who is ‘gay, bisexual or whatever else’ has ever had difficulty coming to terms with the fact they are ‘whatever else’.

    What the difference is between a ‘grown Woman’ and a ‘woman’ I don’t know.

    You make it sound as if ‘grown’ women would never have difficulty coming to terms with acknowledging their homosexuality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    qwerty13 wrote: »
    I strongly disagree that his wife paying for everything and doing all of the housework is irrelevant. If their roles were split in terms of breadwinner and homemaker, then maybe. But it just sounds as though the OP contributes nothing: no money, no duties, no responsibility. What woman - or man - wants to end up with an adult child? That’s not a partnership, it’s a surrogate mammy. And that’s deeply unattractive.

    However, I did wonder if there is a chicken and egg scenario: which came first, the OP’s ignoring of all adult responsibilities, or his wife’s lack of attraction to him. I just could not be sexually interested in a ‘partner’ who behaved like an overgrown child - but I wouldn’t have gone out with someone like that, let alone married them. And if the OP felt that his wife had no interest in him even before she discovered the man-child behaviour, why did she marry him?

    Man-child behaviour; surrogate Mammy

    Typical gendered language to undermine this persons feeling - a mans feeling.

    Sure who else but a woman made this ‘man-child’. I’ve yet to come across a father who ‘Molly coddles’ his child. By your logic, his mother - and mothers like her - have a lot to answer for.


  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Ayan Shy Maiden


    karlitob wrote: »
    Yeah, cos no one who is ‘gay, bisexual or whatever else’ has ever had difficulty coming to terms with the fact they are ‘whatever else’.

    What the difference is between a ‘grown Woman’ and a ‘woman’ I don’t know.

    You make it sound as if ‘grown’ women would never have difficulty coming to terms with acknowledging their homosexuality.

    If she’s spent this long denying it, even if she just can’t accept it, the fact is constant accusations about her being gay is not an appropriate thing to do & I wouldn’t blame her for being hurt or upset by it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭karlitob


    If she’s spent this long denying it, even if she just can’t accept it

    I don’t disagree - but that’s not what you said.

    So is it your view that a ‘grown woman’ ‘can tell
    ’ that they’re gay, or that a ‘grown woman’ ‘just can’t accept it’.

    It’s seem like you’ve contradicted yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭qwerty13


    Actually I do think that probably his mother - and mothers like her - have a hell of a lot to answer for. Raising a male child to happily have his partner wait on him like a servant is not a good thing.

    I’m not doubting that he is not feeling good about where he is in his life, but what I very much doubt is that is all his wife’s fault. The wife who is cr*p with money, but manages to run a household. The wife who does everything for him, but he hilariously thinks that an automated hoover magically does all of the housework.

    I’m not saying that his wife is perfect, but my god I can see how having a partner who behaves like that would be completely unattractive. And then he badgers her about being gay, because she doesn’t want to have sex with him. Maybe they were sexually incompatible from the start, but his attitude towards running a home is rotten, and I can see how it would easily breed resentment.

    There is so much wrong in this relationship. I think both parties were wrong to move beyond about 3 dates. But for him to blame it all on the ‘cold bad woman who somehow made her marry him’ is incredibly immature behaviour. He’s utterly absolving himself from his spoilt child carry on in the home. And when he doesn’t like it, he temporarily moves out, as far as I can see to ‘teach his wife a lesson’. I think even while his wife was pregnant and also while his daughter was very young. A man-child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    OP reminds me of my brother in law, a layabout that lets his wife handle everything and then throws a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.

    Cannot imagine how any woman wouldn't be sexually attracted to somebody like this...


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,103 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    karlitob wrote: »
    On reading your post, I knew it wouldn’t take long for you to be blamed for what you feel. You’ve unfortunately stumbled into a forum where everyone is perfect, takes 100% responsibility for everything they did, and had 20:20 foresight into all decisions that they made about their life.

    Ok, this appears be to an attitude that is creeping in to the forum that stops now.

    People posting on a public forum looking for advice and opinion can expect to hear things that mightn't be sugar coated. They can also expect to hear things that aren't relevant to them. It is up to each individual poster to take what they need.

    Posters need to be able to make their own point without belittling the opinion or advice of others. It is possible to disagree with something somebody said without resorting to petty jibes and insults. That also includes petty name calling of the OP.

    Mature, constructive, civil advice to the OP or don't post.

    Thanks.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,103 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    karlitob, welcome to Personal Issues. Please have a read of The Forum Charter before posting again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    I'm lost as to how you have come to the conclusion that your wife is gay, I really am.

    However leaving all that aside, if my partner left me when I was 3 months pregnant, when I felt totally vulnerable it would take alot for me to trust him again.

    If he then packed his bags a second time when the baby was a few months old I'd have changed the locks.

    Personally if my partners way to dealing with a problem was to pack bags and run , I'd help them with the packing.

    You're obviously not getting what you want out of this marriage.

    Serve notice to your tenants and move back to your own house when they are gone.

    Let your daughter grow up in a secure environment not one where if her dad gets annoyed she's worrying he might pack his bags again. You say you love her, put her first and leave.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I actually don't understand what you want from this thread OP.

    The cleaning, the money, all that stuff, are side-shows to the actual problem.You seem to have known from before you got married that you and your wife are not really compatible.For reasons mainly related to your (both of your) expectations around sex. You knew before you got married, and you seem to have known it since you got married.So what do you want us to tell you??I would suggest counselling if you think it might help but it doesn't seem that way....

    So I guess it comes down to can you suck up the current situation and stick it out, or do you do yourself a favour and leave?I am not going to tell you who is right or wrong to be honest -well other than to say if you knew it was that wrong to begin with, you should not have gone ahead with it, despite all the excuses you offered - but clearly your wife is what she is, and you are what you are and it doesn't appear that will change.

    I don't really know what else you are looking for.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    When there were more red flags on both sides than a Chairman Mao birthday party why in god's name did both of you say "I do"? That's the part I'm struggling with. :confused:

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Bricriu


    Op, When I read the following line from your post, it brought me back to my own horrible marriage (thankfully over now for years) and my awful ex-wife:
    Its like kissing a snowman in the bed beside you.

    God, being with her was profoundly soul-destroying, and I still (hard to believe, I know) have very bad nightmares 30 years later that I'm still married to her.

    Nothing would change my ex-wife - no amount of love, appeasing, conversations, etc. She was a product of all the guilt the Church imposed on us about physical love, and an oppressive bitch of a mother.

    Op, I honestly don't see your situation improving - ever. Get out now and make wise, sensible legal arrangements, and then thank yourself that you escaped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭ztoical


    OP your update posts haven't changed anything. You've offered zero evidence that your wife is gay. Yes she clearly has issues with intimacy and sex but that does not equal gay. The fact that the relationship has been like this from the beginning says a lot. You state how important intimacy is for you, not just sex but small things and gestures like a coffee date etc etc yet you've never had these things in this relationship. Clearly your OH is not into those things, has never faked being into those things to 'trick' you into marriage, she has always been like this so I'm really baffled why you married in the first place.

    I offer the same advice I offered on page 1, leave and come to a co-parenting agreement now. Its not good for your health nor will it be good for your child's development to have parents in such a dysfunctional relationship - they will grow up with that as 'normal' and end up in a similar relationship themselves so if not for your own sake, for your child's sake speak to your OH now to start the separation. If she's as cold as you claim doesn't sound like she'll care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 Canni


    Quote: ztoical
    As others have said OP you've written a lot yet said very little. If your wife has issues with intimacy or showing affection it does not mean she must be gay. This forum is littered with relationships were one couple showed little interest in sex, doesn't mean its all gay people living a lie. People can have no interest in intimacy, be bad at showing affection and be straight.
    Think that's sums it up pretty well!!

    "She works hard and basically pays for everything. She basically gives me the freedom to do whatever I want. She washes my clothes and irons them. She cooks for me. She does all the cleaning. Not that I expect any of it. She just does it all because that's the sort of person she is. In many ways its the perfect relationship and she's the perfect wife."

    Thats not perfect OP, it sounds down right depressing. No wonder she views you as a sulky child if she's doing everything and you are calling her perfect one moment and cold lesbian in the next. The relationship is not healthy for anyone and certainly not good long term for your child. You need to separate and come to a co-parenting arrangement.

    I think this sums up your relationship. I have been in this kind of relationship where I did everything around the house, took care of 2 kids and worked on top and my husband didn't lift a finger. I started resenting him, I mentally switched off from the relationship. Theres only so much crap you can take and do...
    Fast forward.. we are now divorced are both happy in new relationships, have a good relationship and as a result have 2 well adjusted kids.
    My advice to you is make more of an effort. Show your wife you care by lightening her load. Take on some of the household duties, maybe have a date night once a week cook for her, run her a bubble bath, movie night... whatever. Actions speak loader than words. Step up to the plate...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Just split. You are doing what got you into this whole mess - avoiding taking action, and just drifting into situations or commitments and telling yourself it's too complicated to back out now and that you've no choice in the matter.

    But you do.

    You are not happy and want out of the marriage. So take action. You say you can't walk away but you can. If you want.

    But I suspect you quite like your life and don't want to change it. You like having the 'perfect' wife, the perfect spotless house, the perfect outwardly appearance of it all. You like having your laundry done for you. You like that she takes care of the grocery list, the cooking, doing all the other life admin that makes your life easy. You'd just like it if she was interested in you physically as well. However, that was never there in the first place.

    I'd suggest counselling but honestly, I don't think it would work either. You aren't a loving but busy /knackered couple who lost their way in their relationship - you both appear to have never had that in the first place. But either way you are struggling and unhappy, and probably she is too. So you need to take action if you want change.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭SnowyMay


    Let your daughter grow up in a secure environment not one where if her dad gets annoyed she's worrying he might pack his bags again. You say you love her, put her first and leave.

    All of Calla’s points are well made, but this is the one that jumped out at me the most. OP - don’t put your daughter in this position. Children pick up on this stuff, and also try to figure it out, and, when dad leaves after an argument, and mum is left picking up the pieces, the child may start blaming the mum, as she is the one who is there to blame.

    It is not a good environment for a child, and it sounds like neither of you, as parents, are happy together - let alone as a couple.

    I’d say do the right thing at this stage, and at least make arrangements for a split. You won’t be the first or the last person to break up, but your current situation is not good for anybody.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,132 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Reading the posts here, I think you have difficulty expressing yourself clearly OP.

    I am finding it quite hard to follow your train of thought, and I think I'm also misunderstanding what you mean in a few places, so I suspect you might have a similar issue in your marriage. It seems like it's all swirling around in your head like a vortex, and you're finding it hard to separate the hurt from what you need to do here.


    I think some counselling for yourself might help here, getting some clarity in your own head, before trying to work on any relationship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Yellow pack crisps


    Take responsibility. You married knowing what awaited. You had a child knowing what awaited. Why do you think your wife is gay? Perhaps she just isn’t very sexual or at least not with you. Don’t mean to be harsh saying that, a major turn off for anyone is having to tend to their partners every need like a child then expect to be sexually attracted to them. It doesn’t matter if they insist on doing everything, show some leadership qualities. Do your fair share. Also don’t expect sex, build up to it by doing things in small steps to improve intimacy. Run a bath, light a few candles put her favorite book in there with some wine and then leave. You seem very flippant about her doing everything. She might want to as to find escapism. You need to talk to her in a non confrontational way also. Take a step back explain yourself willing to take tiny steps to rebuild trust and intimacy in the marriage and show patience. You have to see you broke her trust on several occasions when she was in a vulnerable position both times. This is not to say she hasn’t got work to do too, she has, massive amounts. But maybe take the first step. If it fails and she won’t meet you half way then walk away. A child needs a good and safe environment to grow up in and what your describing now is not good for your daughter. Also cut out the dramatics.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I'm wondering if the OP has any evidence that his wife is gay, but is reluctant to share it here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    Jesus my heart actually goes out to your wife here. The woman sounds like a walking saint to me. You’re so self absorbed that you wrote all that and didn’t even notice what she might be getting in return (ie nothing).
    The lesbian thing sounds to me like a complete red herring- “how could she possibly resist me, she must be a lesbian”- get a grip ffs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    I've found everyone of your post difficult to follow and there are heaps of contradictions.


    I'm happily married....but we're miserable
    It was a whirlwind romance....but there was no honeymoon period
    My wife is a very calm person...but we argue
    My wife pays for everything....but she's **** with money
    I'm not even getting into the my wife is gay theory


    Have you actually asked your wife what she wants? Maybe she'd be happier if you left, so that's two of you. Maybe she's like to work on things & needs some changes, may be she wants to go to counselling, maybe she doesn't. At the moment, you are both miserable, surely the only chance at all of things is see what page you are both on....talk, find out, drop the gay nonsense etc. & go from there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Have you actually asked your wife if she is happy in the marriage or if she is gay?

    I was with a previous partner for 7 years (we never married) and things weren't going well. I suspected she was gay and not happy in the relationship so I asked her. To her credit, she told the truth and said she had feelings for another woman. While it was tough at the time for me, we split up. She's now happily married to the woman she fancied while we were together and I'm happily married to someone else.

    Sometimes splitting up is good for everyone.

    That said, have you said the things to your wife that you said to us here? No point telling us if you don't tell her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭robinbird


    i'll be blunt OP. Your wife is a psychopath. No question in my mind.
    She chose you because you were weak and because you served a purpose.
    To provide her with a husband and later a baby when she decided she wanted one. She would prefer if you stayed as it would look better socially and she might be perceived as a failure if you went but...She is not going to be too bothered if you do go. Maybe she might turn on the charm for a while if she thought you were serious or maybe she is bored with you and doesn't want you around anyway. She doesn't particularly care about money.

    But she does not have feelings for you and she will not miss you.

    The only way to save yourself is to leave but I fear you are too weak to do so.
    Things will not get better and you will end up living a lonely and miserable life.


  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Ayan Shy Maiden


    robinbird wrote: »
    i'll be blunt OP. Your wife is a psychopath. No question in my mind.
    She chose you because you were weak and because you served a purpose.
    To provide her with a husband and later a baby when she decided she wanted one. She would prefer if you stayed as it would look better socially and she might be perceived as a failure if you went but...She is not going to be too bothered if you do go. Maybe she might turn on the charm for a while if she thought you were serious or maybe she is bored with you and doesn't want you around anyway. She doesn't particularly care about money.

    But she does not have feelings for you and she will not miss you.

    The only way to save yourself is to leave but I fear you are too weak to do so.
    Things will not get better and you will end up living a lonely and miserable life.

    Oh, you know her personally do you ?


  • Posts: 90 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hard for any woman to respect or find attractive a man child. She could have done so much better. All the issues I see is with the OP. If he did his bit in the family home and had a better attitude then his wife would find him attractive again. At the moment he comes across as a bit of a lazy slob that expects his wife to more of a slave than an equal partner.

    Are you really telling me that if I run around the house with a hoover daily and swing the duster weekly then my wife will all of a sudden find me sexually attractive? Would you stop! That's ridiculous! The problems in our relationship are nothing to do with the perceived one sided cleaning routine. I mean like if the women of the world all of a sudden stopped having sex with their partners because the cleaning routine was one sided then the human race would die out fairly quickly.


  • Posts: 90 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Again thanks for all the comments but please give the man child, tantrum throwing, lazy, anti-housecleaning, sponger jibes a rest. As I mentioned before I have no care for insults. Water off a ducks back with me. But its all just totally inaccurate and its all off point. My relationship problems are nothing to do with the house cleaning :p Sorry I even hinted at that topic. It's very hard to explain anything here without everyone making a mountain out of mole hill of the slightest thing I say about house cleaning :D


  • Posts: 90 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    robinbird wrote: »
    i'll be blunt OP. Your wife is a psychopath. No question in my mind.
    She chose you because you were weak and because you served a purpose.
    To provide her with a husband and later a baby when she decided she wanted one. She would prefer if you stayed as it would look better socially and she might be perceived as a failure if you went but...She is not going to be too bothered if you do go. Maybe she might turn on the charm for a while if she thought you were serious or maybe she is bored with you and doesn't want you around anyway. She doesn't particularly care about money.

    But she does not have feelings for you and she will not miss you.

    The only way to save yourself is to leave but I fear you are too weak to do so.
    Things will not get better and you will end up living a lonely and miserable life.

    No my wife is not a psychopath. Every woman I ever had a relationship turned out to be fairly high up the psychopath scale but I'd never say that my wife is in any way a psychopath. She's close to the calmest, happiest, most easy going and undemanding woman I ever met.


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  • Posts: 90 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Have you actually asked your wife if she is happy in the marriage or if she is gay?

    I was with a previous partner for 7 years (we never married) and things weren't going well. I suspected she was gay and not happy in the relationship so I asked her. To her credit, she told the truth and said she had feelings for another woman. While it was tough at the time for me, we split up. She's now happily married to the woman she fancied while we were together and I'm happily married to someone else.

    Sometimes splitting up is good for everyone.

    That said, have you said the things to your wife that you said to us here? No point telling us if you don't tell her.

    On one occasion after I had moved out of the house for a period, we tried to have an honest conversation with the intention that we might resolve things and I would move back in with her. She ducked and dived and tried to turn the conversation into a heated row but I wasn't going there. I told her I was only moving in if she started telling me the truth. She had nothing else to do but speak honestly and she announced to me out of nowhere "Ok you want the truth? I'll tell you the truth! I only had sex with you last year to get pregnant". Once she said I knew it was the truth. Just the way she said it. It also tied in with everything I had experienced the previous year. It was really hard for me to take and I just wanted to get up and walk out of the house but I just took a few minutes to try compose myself. Once my wife said it, she started to panic a little as she probably felt that she blurted out too much truth. My wife was pregnant during this episode so I felt I had to move back in and support her during the pregnancy and try work on things again.


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