General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

Mushy · 28-11-2020 07:24PM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Oh really? Thought he was just on. Thought Keane was keeping him on.

Thought it was Bamford on first view and the FPL manager in me was fuming he missed :pac:

The auld fierce late flag. Var would've had a look alright, probably tighter than linesman thought.

Now that's a bad miss!

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 07:26PM

Leeds should have been out of sight at the end. Absolutely dominated 2nd half.

Great result for Leeds

Rock77 · 28-11-2020 07:29PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I wouldn't actually, i dont want the game to go the way it is going
Feels lile there a couple of penalties every game its not right regardless of who there for

I agree and I’d rather goal line tech was used and that’s it..

But they are using the technology so the Brighton one is a pen by the letter of the law..

The one that gets me is a goal from a corner.. let’s say Brighton get a corner that’s clearly a goal kick and score from it.. clear and obvious error, why do phases of play matter?

Offside too, dodgy lines, millimetres, is the frame stopped when the ball is being played.. you can’t use var for that stuff.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2020 07:39PM

Rock77 wrote: »

I agree and I’d rather goal line tech was used and that’s it..

But they are using the technology so the Brighton one is a pen by the letter of the law..

The one that gets me is a goal from a corner.. let’s say Brighton get a corner that’s clearly a goal kick and score from it.. clear and obvious error, why do phases of play matter?

Offside too, dodgy lines, millimetres, is the frame stopped when the ball is being played.. you can’t use var for that stuff.

I get what your saying but i dont think its the letter of the law,

I share your thoughts on the corner one its crazy
On the off sides they can't say if the freeze frame they are using is the exact moment the ball has left the passer foot which makes a huge difference,

They only issue with offside is there will always be ones to close to call no matter where you set the bar for instance of they gave you a 30cm leeway, there would be ones that are 31 or 29 on the leeway so its the same issue all over again

28-11-2020 07:47PM

Everton 4 points from 18. Slump or just reverting to type?

Hats off to Leeds.

TheadoreT · 28-11-2020 07:50PM

6 wrote: »

Everton 4 points from 18. Slump or just reverting to type?

Hats off to Leeds.

The only manager that had them moving upward in the table last few years they booed out of the club thinking they were too good for his style of football. Must be laughing now.

28-11-2020 07:52PM

TheadoreT wrote: »

The only manager that had them moving upward in the table last few years they booed out of the club thinking they were too good for his style of football. Must be laughing now.

Better than Ancellotti??

TheadoreT · 28-11-2020 08:11PM

6 wrote: »

Better than Ancellotti??

Better for Everton, generally if you do the opposite to what the current trend is you'll tend to be successful, he didnt care about his reputation, just about doing optimal things to get results.

But Carlo is a tad overrated. Only won 1 league at Milan with arguably one of the best sides in modern football, they should have swept up titles.

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 08:34PM

6 wrote: »

Everton 4 points from 18. Slump or just reverting to type?

Hats off to Leeds.

Reverting to type definitely.

2 of those defeats missing our best players.

This one against Leeds no excuses.

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 08:35PM

TheadoreT wrote: »

Better for Everton, generally if you do the opposite to what the current trend is you'll tend to be successful, he didnt care about his reputation, just about doing optimal things to get results.

But Carlo is a tad overrated. Only won 1 league at Milan with arguably one of the best sides in modern football, they should have swept up titles.

Yeh we should definitely get rid of him and bring in Big Sam.

Carlo didn't have us moving up the table? We were top for a couple of weeks... His drop of points still has us quite comfortable challenging for top 4/7. We weren't near that previously

Rock77 · 28-11-2020 08:41PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I get what your saying but i dont think its the letter of the law,

I share your thoughts on the corner one its crazy
On the off sides they can't say if the freeze frame they are using is the exact moment the ball has left the passer foot which makes a huge difference,

They only issue with offside is there will always be ones to close to call no matter where you set the bar for instance of they gave you a 30cm leeway, there would be ones that are 31 or 29 on the leeway so its the same issue all over again

You think a defender has the right to kick an attacker in the box and it not be a penalty?

If the defender doesn’t get the ball and clearly kicks the attacker it’s a penalty, it doesn’t matter what may have happened if the foul wasn’t committed.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2020 08:53PM

Rock77 wrote: »

You think a defender has the right to kick an attacker in the box and it not be a penalty?

If the defender doesn’t get the ball and clearly kicks the attacker it’s a penalty, it doesn’t matter what may have happened if the foul wasn’t committed.

I agree with what you said above but thats not exactly what happened here,

If Welbck had knock it past Robbo then i agree but he didnt he flicked onto Robbos standing foot and at the same time Robbo touched Welbeck foot m

I think it was more of a coming together
Two ex prem ref on tv (walton & cant remember the 2nd) both thought it was not a penalty

But i understand its not black or white

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 08:56PM

TheadoreT wrote: »

The only manager that had them moving upward in the table last few years they booed out of the club thinking they were too good for his style of football. Must be laughing now.

Wait... are you seriously making the case that Big Sam was a better manager for Everton than Carlo Ancellotti? I think Everton fans were losing the will to live during that period to be honest - during his time there they were ranked 20th for total shots, 19th for total shots on target, 16th for passing accuracy in the league. I'll give you that he's a pragmatist and will you get you midtable, but christ, at what cost! I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find an Everton fan who'd ever want to return to that style of football.

Guy:Incognito · 28-11-2020 08:57PM

Surely Wilder isn't going to last much longer?

y0ssar1an22 · 28-11-2020 09:03PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely Wilder isn't going to last much longer?

was last year a huge fluke? i know most pundits had them as a sure thing to be relegated last season.

pjohnson · 28-11-2020 09:04PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

was last year a huge fluke? i know most pundits had them as a sure thing to be relegated last season.

Henderson and O'Connell being out seems to have completely shattered Wilders entire tactical system.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2020 09:04PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely Wilder isn't going to last much longer?

Didn't nt he take them up from Divison 1,
Itll take a lot more for them to sack him

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 09:08PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely Wilder isn't going to last much longer?

Would be harsh enough... he massively overachieved getting them up, and keeping them up. They've had a rough time of it at the back, losing the Henderson loan, and then having long term injuries to Enda Stevens and especially Jack O'Connell.

It's one of those cases where they can't really say anyone else would do any better this season, but could do much worse if it comes to looking for promotion again next season.

In a way, I almost think they're expecting to go down this season. Their only spend of any significance was on a young championship level striker who was always going to struggle to score in the Premier League - but who could well make a huge difference in trying to come back up next season after a season bedding in. A bit like Solanke who struggled for Bournemouth in the Prem, but is now scoring important goals in the Champ.

Agent Coulson · 28-11-2020 09:12PM

Lundstram also doesn't want to be at the club and has refused all contract talks and wants to join Rangers.

doc_17 · 28-11-2020 09:21PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Lundstram also doesn't want to be at the club and has refused all contract talks and wants to join Rangers.

He went on a wee run last year at the start of the season and it gave them a platform. A bad team, won’t miss them.

CSF · 28-11-2020 09:26PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely Wilder isn't going to last much longer?

Would be insane to get rid. Who better for them if they do go down?

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 09:41PM

CSF wrote: »

Would be insane to get rid. Who better for them if they do go down?

Yeah, I think Bournemouth are the exact example to look at - look like coming straight back up with their old manager, fired on by a young ex-Liverpool striker who couldn't buy a goal in the premier league. Could easily see exactly the same story next season with Wilder instead of Howe, and Brewster instead of Solanke.

Agent Coulson · 28-11-2020 09:43PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, I think Bournemouth are the exact example to look at - look like coming straight back up with their old manager, fired on by a young ex-Liverpool striker who couldn't buy a goal in the premier league. Could easily see exactly the same story next season with Wilder instead of Howe, and Brewster instead of Solanke.

Howe is gone it's his assistant who is now the manger at Bournemouth.

Howe is now favorite for the Celtic job, I wonder will get a Rodgers reinvention up there if does get the job.

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 09:44PM

CSF wrote: »

Would be insane to get rid. Who better for them if they do go down?

Big Sam to keep them up some might say

~Rebel~ · 28-11-2020 09:52PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Howe is gone it's his assistant who is now the manger at Bournemouth.

Howe is now favorite for the Celtic job, I wonder will get a Rodgers reinvention up there if does get the job.

Christ, that totally passed me by!

doc_17 · 28-11-2020 10:07PM

Sheffield Utd on course to finish on 4 points at their current rate, if you’re rounding up.

Shanotheslayer · 28-11-2020 10:16PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Sheffield Utd on course to finish on 4 points at their current rate, if you’re rounding up.

Derby county creaming themselves thinking they won't have the record anymore :pac:

Francie Barrett · 28-11-2020 10:35PM

Worst start ever in the Premier League - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/saisonstarts/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?sortierung=schlechteste&sortField=pkt&saisonIdVon=1992&saisonIdBis=2020&spieltag=10&eingrenzung=alle

plibige · 28-11-2020 10:46PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree with what you said above but thats not exactly what happened here,

If Welbck had knock it past Robbo then i agree but he didnt he flicked onto Robbos standing foot and at the same time Robbo touched Welbeck foot m

I think it was more of a coming together
Two ex prem ref on tv (walton & cant remember the 2nd) both thought it was not a penalty

But i understand its not black or white

Dermot Gallagher was the other one you were looking for.

Sure even Welbeck himself called it soft, which it was.

There's been a bit of group think and an echo chamber of anti Liverpool sentiment online, but being rational about it, it was a 50/50 challenge for the ball, both were entitled to go for it and nothing should have come of it.

Football is not a non contact sport, and Welbeck didn't have control of the ball.

Rock77 · 28-11-2020 10:51PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree with what you said above but thats not exactly what happened here,

If Welbck had knock it past Robbo then i agree but he didnt he flicked onto Robbos standing foot and at the same time Robbo touched Welbeck foot m

I think it was more of a coming together
Two ex prem ref on tv (walton & cant remember the 2nd) both thought it was not a penalty

But i understand its not black or white

You agree that a defender can’t keep an attacker without it being a peno.

But you don’t think Robbo kicked Wellbeck?

I kinda see what your trying to get at.. if there was no var nobody would have even noticed it happened (me included) but there is var and in the replay it’s clear as day Robbo kicked him..

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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