Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

prinzeugen · 27-11-2020 12:08AM

everlast75 wrote: »

They want a particular outcome to be true and are reverse engineering the facts, i.e. what needs to be a fact in order for Trump to win.

That's how the majority of conspiracy theories work and cult leaders have done the same.
Start with the conclusion and work backwards.
They look for signs in everything that they can use to "prove" that the conclusion is coming/true.

valoren · 27-11-2020 12:11AM

Eoin wrote: »

It's funny how the MAGA heads embrace how much Trump pisses off so many people (sorry, I mean "owns the libs"), yet also can't understand that there's a chance he wasn't the most popular candidate.

For me it's cognitive dissonance/sunk cost in his support base.

The cognitive dissonance is the idea of his base firmly believing that Trump is the best choice for President. A strongman, who tells it like it is, who sticks it to the Libs, who is unapologetic and is a bullying stable genius. Never mind any nuance, intellectualism, fitness for office or actual political policy or vision. He provokes and antagonizes people they loathe and they adore him for it with a cult like fervor. However that mindset is then disrupted by the election. There is no landslide. 80 million votes for Sleepy Joe. Their man get's rejected by ballot. Come January 20th, he, and his antics, are gone. It's here that Trump's years of fomenting anger and suspicion of the Fake News from the mainstream media pays it's dividends. They are already defined as liars. So when they project the other guy as the winner, then, they are simply lying again. More people voted for the other guy who was posited as the anti-thesis of their Strong Man leader. Therein lies the dissonance. If Trump was such a great President then a second term would surely be a formality? Keep America Great? What's going on here?

Those same media outlets, as they did for Trump in 2016, project Biden as the winner. To resolve that dissonance his base support have two options. They can believe that perhaps Trump is not all he's cracked up to be? Perhaps his Presidency, particularly the shambolic Covid response, has resulted in turning people off him? That the idea of having a President with no political experience campaigning on populist ideas was experimental and that experiment failed? They can believe that the election was absolutely secure and that the people had spoken and democracy was at play.

Or; They can continue to retain their belief in Trump as a great, nay the greatest, President by believing that the election was rigged, that there was mass electoral fraud, that the Democrats have committed treason, that millions of dead people still on the registrars "voted" or *insert whatever conspiracy theory is flavor of the week here*. They become zealous and unflinching in that belief as they will not have to face the discomfiting experience of admitting they are/were wrong and accept that their guy lost fair and square.

nolivesmatter · 27-11-2020 12:17AM

robinph wrote: »

Possibly, but it varies as to if the effort of doing so is worth the result.

For Georgia the result was close, they had an automated recount, found some more votes and added them to the totals but it wasn't actually enough to change the result and no recount with that difference has ever found enough extra votes to change the result.

Is it worth holding a recount in California though just to find an extra thousand votes one way or the other when the difference between the candidates is in the millions?

The systems are already in place to find missing votes, but whilst every vote counts, do we really need to know if Biden won by 5999999 or 6000000 in California?

I get what you're saying. Using Georgia as the example you could argue that the fact that the missing ballots were added in the recount demonstrates the robustness of the process at work. On the other hand how do we know now that nothing else was missing. There'll always be some level of error when people are involved, I just think boxes of ballots shouldn't be getting overlooked like that.

briany · 27-11-2020 01:03AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is worrying for me is that trump is making all kinds of accusations of fraud publicly but when it comes time to appear in court his lawyers (rudy included) have been very clear with judges that they are not alleging fraud. Despite this they ignore this contradiction and still parrot what he says publicly.

The whole Trump movement is pretty much based on the following phrase, "I have no actual evidence of what I'm alleging, but doesn't this one thing, taken out of context, look awful fishy? Why not draw your own conclusions?"

~Rebel~ · 27-11-2020 01:38AM

RickDeckard wrote: »

The main points

100's of sworn affidavits from private citizens have been filed alleging voting irregularities.
Basic ID checks not done.
Massive, statistical irregularities observed, Biden getting 100% of vote counts in some areas.
Massive amounts of votes appearing at 4 AM, for Biden only.
Unsealed Voting machines with incorrect serial numbers appearing.
Many USB storage keys missing from Voting machines.
Dominion Voting machines proven hackable, malware already found.
Hundreds of thousands more votes returned than sent out
The dead Voting.
Day by day more is coming out.
Media blackouts non this

But, I'm a shill, tin foil hatter, what ever you want to call me, I'm just pointing out that this all smells. I hope I'm wrong.

This is a collection of mostly (if not all) debunked nonsense. Most of it debunked within days or even hours of first appearing.

But more than that, ask yourself why this is their approach. You say that they can't prove any of this because they're building a case - but if they were serious... I mean really serious... they'd have shut the fuck up, picked one issue and gone away to properly dive into it, and put together the evidence for one solid meaningful case. But instead they stick to this crazy nonsensical scattershot approach where they just throw loads of nonsense out there day after day with absolutely nothing to back it up. What they're doing is for maximum short term media attention. It has no chance of accomplishing legal success, but does rile up their base. Which is its purpose.

Serious lawyers, assembling a real case that they actually believed in, wouldn't be spending all their team screaming about a diverse collection of conspiracy theories at anyone that will listen.

RickDeckard · 27-11-2020 02:08AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

This is a collection of mostly (if not all) debunked nonsense. Most of it debunked within days or even hours of first appearing.

But more than that, ask yourself why this is their approach. You say that they can't prove any of this because they're building a case - but if they were serious... I mean really serious... they'd have shut the fuck up, picked one issue and gone away to properly dive into it, and put together the evidence for one solid meaningful case. But instead they stick to this crazy nonsensical scattershot approach where they just throw loads of nonsense out there day after day with absolutely nothing to back it up. What they're doing is for maximum short term media attention. It has no chance of accomplishing legal success, but does rile up their base. Which is its purpose.

Serious lawyers, assembling a real case that they actually believed in, wouldn't be spending all their team screaming about a diverse collection of conspiracy theories at anyone that will listen.

thanks so much for reposting this, people need to see it. Still Ataack the messenger. F U c K Trump. I Dont care. The system itself must be seen to work.

TheRepentent · 27-11-2020 02:10AM

RickDeckard wrote: »

thanks so much for reposting this, people need to see it. Still Ataack the messenger. F U c K Trump. I Dont care. The system itself must be seen to work.

:pac::pac:

RickDeckard · 27-11-2020 02:15AM

I must admit .that destroyed me personally, those emojies do so much harm, and really make a point.

Buford T Justice · 27-11-2020 02:39AM

So what gives?

Trump and Guliani are spouting venom about rigged elections and massive voter fraud on tv, but not in a court of law because y'know, you'd end up in Jail if you have no evidence. Clearly It certainly looks as if they're not going to win, and the decision won't be overturned.

Aside from keeping a hold of the redneck base that he has, or collecting revenue for his debts, what have they to gain by the continuance of peddling this bullshit?

Buford T Justice · 27-11-2020 02:59AM

In other news, the gig is up. Guliani did a sterling job and it's all about to be overturned anytime soon

Disclaimer, it's newsmax so you may not wan to waste your valuable seconds

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1331701166737125376

Beholders · 27-11-2020 03:34AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what is worrying for me is that trump is making all kinds of accusations of fraud publicly but when it comes time to appear in court his lawyers (rudy included) have been very clear with judges that they are not alleging fraud. Despite this they ignore this contradiction and still parrot what he says publicly.

Do you know at this point that is bothering me, is that people belief yes/no is the answer they have being looking for, but in fairness it never has been or should be the answer. Yes I'm right of left, sorry I just love saying that, it actually means I need to learn how to drive.

They should vote with their heart and respect and basically that. If the school bully doesn't like it, well then take it up with all of us.

On a side note I have always thought politics are like 8 year olds in the play ground. Not just this but every time they mention or agree on any thing. Me and my gang could agree on it better, that is 8 year olds, red hang gang rocks:D. See the point is I don't care but I still want to have a pint with you guys.

What.Now · 27-11-2020 04:02AM

Beholders wrote: »

Do you know at this point that is bothering me, is that people belief yes/no is the answer they have being looking for, but in fairness it never has been or should be the answer. Yes I'm right of left, sorry I just love saying that, it actually means I need to learn how to drive.

They should vote with their heart and respect and basically that. If the school bully doesn't like it, well then take it up with all of us.

On a side note I have always thought politics are like 8 year olds in the play ground. Not just this but every time they mention or agree on any thing. Me and my gang could agree on it better, that is 8 year olds, red hang gang rocks:D. See the point is I don't care but I still want to have a pint with you guys.

WAYOA

flazio · 27-11-2020 06:59AM

From keeping America Great to calling it a Third World Country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR2_JyVzHE

gimli2112 · 27-11-2020 07:13AM

I think I finally understand the distinction. A fraud is a deceit whereas a massive fraud is a deceit on such a grandiose scale you don't need any evidence to prove the it happenned.

everlast75 · 27-11-2020 08:09AM

flazio wrote: »

From keeping America Great to calling it a Third World Country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR2_JyVzHE

Firstly, wtf is up with that desk? Lol

Secondly - Remember when Trump supporters said a woman would be too emotional to govern?

And by the way donny-

2016 - the American election system is fine

2020 - the American election system is worse than a third work country.

What happened in the meantime and under whose watch?

salmocab · 27-11-2020 09:12AM

He’s only short of stamping his feet and sticking his fingers in his ears at this stage.

namloc1980 · 27-11-2020 09:29AM

What a giant baby he truly is.

ohnonotgmail · 27-11-2020 09:31AM

Beholders wrote: »

Do you know at this point that is bothering me, is that people belief yes/no is the answer they have being looking for, but in fairness it never has been or should be the answer. Yes I'm right of left, sorry I just love saying that, it actually means I need to learn how to drive.

They should vote with their heart and respect and basically that. If the school bully doesn't like it, well then take it up with all of us.

On a side note I have always thought politics are like 8 year olds in the play ground. Not just this but every time they mention or agree on any thing. Me and my gang could agree on it better, that is 8 year olds, red hang gang rocks:D. See the point is I don't care but I still want to have a pint with you guys.

can you try that again except in coherent this time?

salmocab · 27-11-2020 09:53AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What a giant baby he truly is.

A giant alpha baby no less

VinLieger · 27-11-2020 09:55AM

Checkout sidney powells court filings.... they are something else

https://twitter.com/LarryHomework/status/1331849560625348613

ohnonotgmail · 27-11-2020 10:04AM

the michigan one is arguably worse. was there spacebar broken and they somehow didn't notice? have they never heard of proofreading?

Carfacemandog · 27-11-2020 10:29AM

RickDeckard wrote: »

thanks so much for reposting this, people need to see it. Still Ataack the messenger. F U c K Trump. I Dont care. The system itself must be seen to work.

And it has been,regardless of what Alex Jones imitators like to claim.

Patrick2010 · 27-11-2020 10:32AM

Beholders wrote: »

Do you know at this point that is bothering me, is that people belief yes/no is the answer they have being looking for, but in fairness it never has been or should be the answer. Yes I'm right of left, sorry I just love saying that, it actually means I need to learn how to drive.

They should vote with their heart and respect and basically that. If the school bully doesn't like it, well then take it up with all of us.

On a side note I have always thought politics are like 8 year olds in the play ground. Not just this but every time they mention or agree on any thing. Me and my gang could agree on it better, that is 8 year olds, red hang gang rocks:D. See the point is I don't care but I still want to have a pint with you guys.

Someone was on the sauce last night

duploelabs · 27-11-2020 11:00AM

flazio wrote: »

From keeping America Great to calling it a Third World Country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVR2_JyVzHE

He's gone full Karen

Leroy42 · 27-11-2020 11:17AM

He really is falling apart in front of our eyes. No surprise, of course, a man that clearly is led by the feeling of being loved and power is going to fall apart when he isn't No1 and his power is slipping away.

But it is interesting to watch it happening.

Tchaikovsky · 27-11-2020 11:23AM

Took him 3 weeks to take any questions from the media. The big ****ing baby.

duploelabs · 27-11-2020 11:25AM

Any man who must say "I am the king" is no true king - Tywin Lannister

km991148 · 27-11-2020 11:26AM

listermint wrote: »

Well respected where ? And by whom ? Honest question.

Being an academic itself doesn't rise you above anyone.

True, but generally (in most fields) of academia they have standards, ethics and peer reviewed studies.

There is a system of checks and balances in place to ensure integrity and accuracy of works that are published.

This already puts them ahead of YouTubers, many of whom don't even have the integrity of the dreaded "Main Stream Media".

But these days people like to question everything except the sources that confirm their own bias and lump all sources of information as "All the same" or "one as bad as the other" - and they really are not.

km991148 · 27-11-2020 11:27AM

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Took him 3 weeks to take any questions from the media. The big ****ing baby.

he didn't even - he cut them off for being nasty and rudely talking to the president ("Don't dare talk to the President of the United States" - like he gives a fu(k or respect for the office lol) - what a joke of a human being.

timetogo1 · 27-11-2020 11:52AM

km991148 wrote: »

he didn't even - he cut them off for being nasty and rudely talking to the president ("Don't dare talk to the President of the United States" - like he gives a fu(k or respect for the office lol) - what a joke of a human being.

I love that he cut one reporter off and moved to another and she asked the same question. It's about time they did that.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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