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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #8312
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Trump hasn't conceded and his lawsuits are continuing. He has a good chance in the Supreme Court of overturning the election results on the grounds used in Bush V Gore - the same standard to admit votes was not applied in the counties in the states he disputes - and more importantly the PA Supreme Court over reached when it admitted votes after the 8pm deadline on election day which is breach of the US Constitution. This has implications in each disputed state and could deny Joe Biden the magic 270 he needs.

    None of this will happen.


  • #8313
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Trump hasn't conceded and his lawsuits are continuing. He has a good chance in the Supreme Court of overturning the election results on the grounds used in Bush V Gore - the same standard to admit votes was not applied in the counties in the states he disputes - and more importantly the PA Supreme Court over reached when it admitted votes after the 8pm deadline on election day which is breach of the US Constitution. This has implications in each disputed state and could deny Joe Biden the magic 270 he needs.
    Lol.

    If it's a Bush v. Gore situation, then the US Supreme Court would declare Biden the winner.


  • #8314
    crisco10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,339 ✭✭✭crisco10


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    None of this will happen.

    but a poster with 5 posts, and just registered said it would! ?


  • #8315
    Samsonsmasher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Samsonsmasher


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    None of this will happen.

    Why is that?


  • #8316
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,924 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Trump hasn't conceded and his lawsuits are continuing. He has a good chance in the Supreme Court of overturning the election results on the grounds used in Bush V Gore - the same standard to admit votes was not applied in the counties in the states he disputes - and more importantly the PA Supreme Court over reached when it admitted votes after the 8pm deadline on election day which is breach of the US Constitution. This has implications in each disputed state and could deny Joe Biden the magic 270 he needs.

    so what cases are these and what states are they in? You can find a list of all the cases here. https://www.democracydocket.com/ be specific as to which cases you are referring to.


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  • #8317
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Trump hasn't conceded and his lawsuits are continuing. He has a good chance in the Supreme Court of overturning the election results on the grounds used in Bush V Gore - the same standard to admit votes was not applied in the counties in the states he disputes - and more importantly the PA Supreme Court over reached when it admitted votes after the 8pm deadline on election day which is breach of the US Constitution. This has implications in each disputed state and could deny Joe Biden the magic 270 he needs.

    Why would the Supreme Court overturn the results of a fair election?
    When is the Supreme Court case on?


  • #8318
    KilOit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭KilOit


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Their twitter feed is hilarious where they posted it.

    I wonder what will happen when OANN announce it?

    Trump is running out of crackpot news sources.
    It's funny reading thedonald.win they turn on themselves when their chosen news source disagree with trump. Fox news, hannity and even Tucker is shunned from them.


  • #8319
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    Sure but it just feeds back into that 'My team is better than your team' nonsense and stupid fúcking memes of people drinking from cups that say 'Salty Liberal/Right Wing Tears'. I'd have thought 4 full on years of 'Libtard/Cuck/Hillary's Emails!' bullshít would have been enough and I'd rather not see it being perpetuated by the other side.

    I agree with you. It's an endless cycle though. Those on the left feel justified because of how some of those on the right acted in the last few years. And If a republican's wins in 2024 they'll no doubt feel justified in doing the same based on these next few years.


  • #8320
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    I agree with you. It's an endless cycle though. Those on the left feel justified because of how some of those on the right acted in the last few years. And If a republican's wins in 2024 they'll no doubt feel justified in doing the same based on these next few years.

    I don't remember such a time where the two sides were so partisan and vitriolic, Trump actively leveraged those divisions


  • #8321
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,596 ✭✭✭francois


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    Trump hasn't conceded and his lawsuits are continuing. He has a good chance in the Supreme Court of overturning the election results on the grounds used in Bush V Gore - the same standard to admit votes was not applied in the counties in the states he disputes - and more importantly the PA Supreme Court over reached when it admitted votes after the 8pm deadline on election day which is breach of the US Constitution. This has implications in each disputed state and could deny Joe Biden the magic 270 he needs.

    I see you are "new" here


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  • #8322
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭briany


    KilOit wrote: »
    It's funny reading thedonald.win they turn on themselves when their chosen news source disagree with trump. Fox news, hannity and even Tucker is shunned from them.

    The blindside of all this could be that Trump's base fractures into different camps, each with different beliefs regarding the outcome of the election.

    That's why it's best not lead a movement based on populist anger and conspiracy theory. It'll always eat itself in the end. Inherently unstable.


  • #8323
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,025 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    President Donald Trump briefly emerged to tout the Dow Jones Industrial Average breaking 30,000 for the first time ever, and then vanished after a minute without taking questions.

    :rolleyes:

    I wonder whay that might be?
    Following Biden's Announced Victory, Dow Jones Has Highest Closing Day Since February

    Ah, that clears that up.


  • #8324
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Its going to fundamentally split the GOP vote in 2.

    So pretty much giving the Dems to run of the place until the GOP sort it out.


  • #8325
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    duploelabs wrote: »
    I don't remember such a time where the two sides were so partisan and vitriolic, Trump actively leveraged those divisions

    Agreed. It's also been a problem that the far left and the far right make up a small portion of either side but so much focus as been placed on them it helps to further drive a wedge between left and right.


  • #8326
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,049 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Its going to fundamentally split the GOP vote in 2.

    So pretty much giving the Dems to run of the place until the GOP sort it out.

    Happened with "the tea party" fragment which healed fairly quickly.. more's the pity

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8327
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    cnocbui wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I wonder whay that might be?



    Ah, that clears that up.

    the classic , for 4 years we've been hearing how the economies success was all due to Obama but Joe Biden isn't even in office and he's responsible for a market uptick. got it...


  • #8328
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,049 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the classic , for 4 years we've been hearing how the economies success was all due to Obama but Joe Biden isn't even in office and he's responsible for a market uptick. got it...

    The difference is that Obama left the economy on an upward trajectory.

    Trump's mishandling of the COVID pandemic left the economy in ruins. Not to mention his failed tax stimulus and failed trade wards.

    See the difference?

    PS - didn't trump warn that the stock market would collapse if Biden won?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #8329
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the classic , for 4 years we've been hearing how the economies success was all due to Obama but Joe Biden isn't even in office and he's responsible for a market uptick. got it...

    Would you say the fact that everybody is accepting the new president (except for a few loons that can be discounted) might have something to do with an uptick?


  • #8330
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Ah both sides are guilty of it. In fact I have heard that a hamstrung government, republican president, democrat senate or democrat president, republican senate is the ideal scenario for stock market sentiment. They basically want government to be incapable of affecting them at all.


  • #8331
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the classic , for 4 years we've been hearing how the economies success was all due to Obama but Joe Biden isn't even in office and he's responsible for a market uptick. got it...

    Well - Fair is fair , Trump claimed that the Fed upticks between the Election and his Inauguration were all down to the markets being "excited" by his election etc. etc.

    If that was true , then the same applies now.

    In terms of the Economy - Trump owned nothing about it until after his Tax bill actually hit the street.

    And what we saw was a relatively short lived dead-cat bounce followed by a steady decline in all of the key measures that was under way well before Covid hit.

    For Biden, the same will apply to him - It's "Trumps Economy" until Biden actually makes changes to laws or launches new tax/spending bills etc.


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  • #8332
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Would you say the fact that everybody is accepting the new president (except for a few loons that can be discounted) might have something to do with an uptick?

    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power


  • #8333
    ollkiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power

    And I can equate the economy surge to simpe economics of boom and bust cycle that repeats itself over and over again no matter who is in charge.


  • #8334
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,375 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power

    Lulz.


  • #8335
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power

    What people are doing is using trump's statements crowing about successes and using them against him, if you believe trumps statements, then Biden's win is responsible for the uptick, if you don't believe them, then trump (in your mind) can take credit, even if it goes against statements trump himself has made.

    There will be lots of this, mostly because for everything trump has proclaimed, he has often done, or the result has been the opposite, by supporting trump, you have to be a hypocrite, and own that (basically if trump says it, it's good, if someone else says it, it's bad).

    Sure there will be lots of hand wringing, but the awful president that is trump has put you in this position, and you'll have to live with it, and get used to it for the next 2 years at least (because there will always be a tweet).


  • #8336
    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No. I think biden has had little impact on the stock market so far and probably wont until his inauguration. I can credit the last 4 years economy surge to trump, covid would have negatively impacted it no matter who was in power

    Pretty much every analysis made shows that the Trump economy is simply a continuation of the upward trend which happened under Obama and that things didn't improve under Trump due to any of his own policies.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/upshot/how-good-is-the-trump-economy-really.html
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fpolitics%2f2018%2f09%2f18%2ftrump-economy-versus-obama-economy%2f%3futm_term%3d.dd04434521a1&utm_term=.dd04434521a1
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/24/17759940/donald-trump-economy-jobs-growth-obama

    Do you have any links to analyses that suggest this isn't the case?


  • #8337
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Shoulda woulda coulda. He didn’t have a Churchill moment because he isn’t Churchill.

    Churchill was still voted out after the war.


  • #8338
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Their twitter feed is hilarious where they posted it.

    I wonder what will happen when OANN announce it?

    Trump is running out of crackpot news sources.

    Apparently they might have other things to think about as they have been demonetized and suspended for a week from.YouTube over posting bs


  • #8339
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,813 ✭✭✭joe40


    duploelabs wrote: »
    I don't remember such a time where the two sides were so partisan and vitriolic, Trump actively leveraged those divisions

    The US is definitely divided but the vitriol is coming predominantly from the Trump side.
    His Rallies where people were wound up in anger with chants like "lock her up" or "build the wall" simply did not have an equivalent during Biden rallies or from Biden supporters.


  • #8340
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Shoulda woulda coulda. He didn’t have a Churchill moment because he isn’t Churchill.

    True, but neither are Leo nor Simon Harris and yet if we had an election in July rather than January, FG would have done immensely better for their roles.


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  • #8341
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    I agree with you. It's an endless cycle though. Those on the left feel justified because of how some of those on the right acted in the last few years. And If a republican's wins in 2024 they'll no doubt feel justified in doing the same based on these next few years.

    If the left genuinely try to work together with republicans as they did under Obama, Republicans will still do the exact same next time out. They have made clear that they have no interest in working acrosd the aisle, and so anybody trying to do so with them is at this point a fool.


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