Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

25-11-2020 09:17AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Ah come on...Luke O Neill and his cronies?! He's an immunologist not a mexican politician in bed with the cartels!
He won't make anything off these vaccines, he has nothing to do with these companies.
I agree the video is a bit much..he probably needs to tone down his appearances.

Would be could if we saw the actual video and not an edit that reminded me of the below

Happydays2020 · 25-11-2020 09:25AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I’m pro vaccine so not opposed to any of that. I have a big problem with what he was saying in the video though. And to children too.

He is anti gravy boat as well

Happydays2020 · 25-11-2020 09:31AM

Did I just hear correctly on RTÉ that the Government and NPHET have established a new group on the roll out of the vaccine?

When did NPHET formally take on Governmental responsibilities?

Away With The Fairies · 25-11-2020 09:38AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

If they can walk around that means it is not that bad for them. It means their immune system is working and they are fighting it off.
No overwhelmed hospitals and naturally acquired immunity if they can walk it off. Win-win situation.

If they can walk around, they can also spread it to someone who might not be able to fight it off.

25-11-2020 09:43AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Did I just hear correctly on RTÉ that the Government and NPHET have established a new group on the roll out of the vaccine?

When did NPHET formally take on Governmental responsibilities?

Do you think the National Public Health Emergency Team would not be involved in the roll out of a vaccine during a public health emergency?

pjohnson · 25-11-2020 09:44AM

Criticising Luke O'Neill and citing fcuking Ivor Cummins :pac:

Solli · 25-11-2020 09:46AM

Really interesting newspaper piece on the supply chain for new vaccines written by a Harvard prof:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/08/22/commentary/world-commentary/coronavirus-vaccines-supply-chain/

Happydays2020 · 25-11-2020 10:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you think the National Public Health Emergency Team would not be involved in the roll out of a vaccine during a public health emergency?

They are represented on it. That is far different to making decisions on establishing it. It is a separate task force reporting directly to Government and very deliberately not led by NPHET.

Eod100 · 25-11-2020 10:09AM

Talk of pubs only being able to serve food if they have a kitchen and chef. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/pubs-can-serve-indoors-but-only-if-they-have-own-chef-and-kitchen-39788637.html

plodder · 25-11-2020 10:19AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted here yet or not. A video has surfaced of Prof Luke O’Neil talking to a class of school children by zoom, in which he declares they all have to get the vaccine. And that we may have to wear a permanent non-removable ‘bracelet’ - ‘which could pose a problem to our civil liberties‘ he jokes.
1. How is it legal for a Professor to effectively start grooming children with ‘appearances’ in schools like this? ‘You can take off the mask if you comply with these future measures’. He also posted a coke ad alternative also re the vaccine coming.
2. The Department of Education should investigate this urgently as it sounds like a sponsored/paid partnership appearance effectively trying to influence our youth into a course of action regarding their health and well-being, a group who also remain the least affected by Covid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9IcwLxCo2pM

Is Cummins anti-vax then?

I'm feeling guilty having said I liked one of his videos before.

25-11-2020 10:24AM

Solli wrote: »

Really interesting newspaper piece on the supply chain for new vaccines written by a Harvard prof:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/08/22/commentary/world-commentary/coronavirus-vaccines-supply-chain/

It’s an interesting read

Personally I think that governments around the world are massively over promising on the vaccine front, and it will be many months longer than they are saying before vaccine volumes are sufficient to generate any meaningful herd immunity.

mean gene · 25-11-2020 10:25AM

Strumms wrote: »

According to the samaritans there were 419 suicides in Ireland in 2019.

Since Covid began, in 2020 there have been 70,930 cases.

There have been 2028 covid deaths.

2020 isn’t over.

Statistically covid is the most serious health crises.

any link to the numbers for this year seems ridiculous

Eod100 · 25-11-2020 10:28AM

Independent has list of the easing of restrictions here: https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-the-three-phases-of-easing-level-5-lockdown-restrictions-39789266.html?__twitter_impression=true

Golfman64 · 25-11-2020 10:30AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-response-has-level-5-been-worth-the-cost-1.4418368

Great article, outlining what many of us here have said - Level 5 is not and has not been worth the cost and that level 3 Plus should have been given time to work.

It must be extremely frustrating for the small business owners impacted most and those who lost their jobs when we moved to Level 5 to see this.

Cluedo Monopoly · 25-11-2020 10:33AM

Do the HSE have any idea about the number of people in Ireland that contracted Covid19 but were/are completely oblivious (asymptomatic, untested)?

Cluedo Monopoly · 25-11-2020 10:35AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-response-has-level-5-been-worth-the-cost-1.4418368

Great article, outlining what many of us here have said - Level 5 is not and has not been worth the cost and that level 3 Plus should have been given time to work.

It must be extremely frustrating for the small business owners impacted most and those who lost their jobs when we moved to Level 5 to see this.

I smiled at 'specialist team of data analysts from consultancy firm EY has been drafted in'. The Big 4 will always have a specialist team when the money is right.

seamus · 25-11-2020 10:36AM

Indo suggesting that the separation between a pub and restaurant might become more defined - that is a requirement for a premises to have a kitchen and chef on-staff in order to be allowed to open.

At least it'll put paid to the "how does a €9 meal protect against covid" nonsense.

There'll always be ways around it though.

Cluedo Monopoly · 25-11-2020 10:41AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Did I just hear correctly on RTÉ that the Government and NPHET have established a new group on the roll out of the vaccine?

When did NPHET formally take on Governmental responsibilities?

Since the start of the Medical Dictatorship.

FF and FG only handle self inflicted scandals now.

plodder · 25-11-2020 10:42AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-response-has-level-5-been-worth-the-cost-1.4418368

Great article, outlining what many of us here have said - Level 5 is not and has not been worth the cost and that level 3 Plus should have been given time to work.

It must be extremely frustrating for the small business owners impacted most and those who lost their jobs when we moved to Level 5 to see this.

Regardless of who is right or wrong, it is ridiculous that they are only doing this now, when the end is in sight, or at least we know an end is coming.

muddypuppy · 25-11-2020 11:03AM

seamus wrote: »

Indo suggesting that the separation between a pub and restaurant might become more defined - that is a requirement for a premises to have a kitchen and chef on-staff in order to be allowed to open.

At least it'll put paid to the "how does a €9 meal protect against covid" nonsense.

There'll always be ways around it though.

I think it make a lot less sense than the 9 euros rule.
The substantial meal rule was in place to limit hopping between places and to discourage going to a pub just to get wasted (or at least do so with a full belly). I never understood all the critics to it, it make enough sense if you think about it.

This new rule? What's the difference if the food is prepared in a kitchen on the premises or 200 meters from the pub?
If the idea is to discourage places buying fries from their local chipper and selling them as a substantial meal, then I fear this won't change a bit - that was always against the rules, and what's missing is enforcement.

We'll see I guess, but I feel that tons of places will get a couple of fryers in a closet and call it a day

Eod100 · 25-11-2020 11:05AM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I smiled at 'specialist team of data analysts from consultancy firm EY has been drafted in'. The Big 4 will always have a specialist team when the money is right.

They've been paid to state the obvious and stuff NPHET has already said so not even sure what the point was tbh

Eivor · 25-11-2020 11:07AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s an interesting read

Personally I think that governments around the world are massively over promising on the vaccine front, and it will be many months longer than they are saying before vaccine volumes are sufficient to generate any meaningful herd immunity.

We don’t need herd immunity. We need to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable. Everyone else will be fine without a vaccine for a while by and large

manniot2 · 25-11-2020 11:09AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Talk of pubs only being able to serve food if they have a kitchen and chef. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/pubs-can-serve-indoors-but-only-if-they-have-own-chef-and-kitchen-39788637.html

Define chef and kitchen :-) A George Foreman and a lad making toasties and bobs your uncle.

25-11-2020 11:34AM

Eivor wrote: »

We don’t need herd immunity. We need to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable. Everyone else will be fine without a vaccine for a while by and large

I agree. But I don’t see the government here returning to ‘normality’ until it’s been rolled out into the general population and x% of people have taken it. Then it will hopefully show up in the numbers

I’ve been too hopeful for an end to this before, so managing my expectations this time around

Eivor · 25-11-2020 11:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree. But I don’t see the government here returning to ‘normality’ until it’s been rolled out into the general population and x% of people have taken it. Then it will hopefully show up in the numbers

I’ve been too hopeful for an end to this before, so managing my expectations this time around

I think by the time we get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, compliance with the restrictions will be near zero. They’ve already waned greatly since March.

Hulk Hands · 25-11-2020 11:39AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-response-has-level-5-been-worth-the-cost-1.4418368

Great article, outlining what many of us here have said - Level 5 is not and has not been worth the cost and that level 3 Plus should have been given time to work.

It must be extremely frustrating for the small business owners impacted most and those who lost their jobs when we moved to Level 5 to see this.

An encouraging read, as it may mean we could be past the practice of all out lockdown for very moderate case numbers. The Government clearly felt they were strong-armed into level 5 with the motto that's also been thrown at many here "they're the experts with all the data and you simply cannot question it". It may also suggest that our debt is getting worryingly out of hand.

"This exercise, sources say, is not just intelligence-gathering for its own sake; it is with a purpose. It is driven by concern at high levels of Government that it was left with no counter-argument to the extensive public health data analysis deployed by the National Public Health Emergency Team to support its arguments for lockdown in October."

"Government sources believe the modelling supports key parts of their arguments around the latest chapter in Ireland’s coronavirus response – that recent improvements were largely down to household visit restrictions, and that overall, Level 5 has not been worth the cost."

Eod100 · 25-11-2020 11:46AM

Looks like Friday for any announcement alright: https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1331549241177673728?s=19

Russman · 25-11-2020 11:51AM

Its all beginning to get a little bit Trumpy, economy over health, isn't it.
Where do they find the proper balance ? In fairness I don't envy them tbh. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I wouldn't agree necessarily with the conclusion in the article that the restrictions didn't lead to good enough public health outcomes - I think its the complete lack of enforcement and lack of ability to enforce is/was the issue. They can have all the laws in the world (about anything) but if there's no enforcement it doesn't matter a jot.

25-11-2020 11:56AM

Eivor wrote: »

I think by the time we get the elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, compliance with the restrictions will be near zero. They’ve already waned greatly since March.

I agree about adherence to restrictions. I’m barely paying any attention to them now myself. But it doesn’t meant non food pubs will be open and masks won’t be mandatory everywhere, and there won’t still be limits on crowds, sporting events etc. Still think it’ll be a good while before we’re on the lash with our mates in the pub without distancing and clock watching.....that’ll probably take mass vaccinations through the summer

TonyMaloney · 25-11-2020 11:56AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-response-has-level-5-been-worth-the-cost-1.4418368

Great article, outlining what many of us here have said - Level 5 is not and has not been worth the cost and that level 3 Plus should have been given time to work.

It must be extremely frustrating for the small business owners impacted most and those who lost their jobs when we moved to Level 5 to see this.

They also analyse measures of how tight Ireland’s lockdown is compared to other countries, and how social and personal mobilities and freedoms have been curtailed, a source said.

This exercise, sources say, is not just intelligence-gathering for its own sake; it is with a purpose. It is driven by concern at high levels of Government that it was left with no counter-argument to the extensive public health data analysis deployed by the National Public Health Emergency Team to support its arguments for lockdown in October.

The results of the exercises have not been published, although sources believe they will be eventually. Notwithstanding that, Government sources believe the modelling supports key parts of their arguments around the latest chapter in Ireland’s coronavirus response – that recent improvements were largely down to household visit restrictions, and that overall, Level 5 has not been worth the cost.

Great. So once they take a look at Scotland, government sources will see that they're dead wrong.

This has Varadkar written all over it.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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