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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #6902
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    So to summarise your two posts, the virus probably isn't dangerous for certain age groups, therefore they shouldn't take a vaccine which also probably isn't dangerous?


  • #6903
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Yeah its 99.999% going to be perfectly safe, but still that 00.001%

    I know you just picked 0.001% but thats better than 0.0092% IFR you mention. But off course dieing or not dieing shouldnt be the only metric for whether covid is dangerous or not.

    It puts 1-2 out of every 100 in hospital in that 25-45 age group. Say at best its 1 in every 1000 when you exclude those with unlying conditions thats. 0.1% compared a 0.001% safe vacine?


  • #6904
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    zuutroy wrote: »
    So to summarise your two posts, the virus probably isn't dangerous for certain age groups, therefore they shouldn't take a vaccine which also probably isn't dangerous?

    Except the gap in the risks of covid, not just death but hospital/long covid or the worse flu of your life vs risk of a vacine are in the multiples of 100s if not 1000s.


  • #6905
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    By the time the vaccine hits the non danger group alot will be known about it.

    There will be a choice to be made and insurance companies will make that choice also. I can see travel insurance not covering covid if no vaccine or at a higher cost, same for health insurance. All is fair game


  • #6906
    braychelsea
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 55 ✭✭braychelsea


    Made a thread for the people on here who want to argue over the pros and cons of the vaccine, can we keep this thread only for vaccine progress/rollout discussion and not anti-vax arguments?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058135039


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  • #6907
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    That 0.0092% IFR for 20 - 49 year olds

    I'm a genuinely athletically fit person in that age bracket who was probably infected with Covid on the 14-15th of March. I spent the best part of 3 and half months needing massive amounts of bed rest. Every time I felt better and tried to get back to normal I relapsed. I spent another 3 months managing pain and occasional breathing difficulty. I'm still not 100% back to where I was on the 13th of March.

    The IFR wasn't an issue to me personally. I never once thought I would die. I did however spend a long, long time feeling like I might never fully recover and get back to some of the best aspects of my life. I thankfully did, but plenty of people who were sick at the same time as I was, are still finding their lives are curtailed by the aftereffects. Just surviving is a low bar, most people in our age group don't want to suffer drastically lowered quality of life either, even for a few months.


  • #6908
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,247 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    average_runner wrote: »
    If Cavan players want a neutral venue, then move it to a neutral venue, but if they want to play in Croke Park, play it there

    Are they going to be called Cavan-19?


  • #6909
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    braychelsea wrote: »
    Made a thread for the people on here who want to argue over the pros and cons of the vaccine, can we keep this thread only for vaccine progress/rollout discussion and not anti-vax arguments?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058135039

    Fair enough, i suppose it was handier to debate with the handful of hesitant that are here. The new thread will get out of hand fast on both sides.

    Bar the odd oddball no one here is antivaxx, people have a right to express concerns but whats for debate is the perception risks of yes vs no. My view is theres a huge gap. Anyway its done here.


  • #6910
    Marhay70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    iguana wrote: »
    I'm a genuinely athletically fit person in that age bracket who was probably infected with Covid on the 14-15th of March. I spent the best part of 3 and half months needing massive amounts of bed rest. Every time I felt better and tried to get back to normal I relapsed. I spent another 3 months managing pain and occasional breathing difficulty. I'm still not 100% back to where I was on the 13th of March.

    The IFR wasn't an issue to me personally. I never once thought I would die. I did however spend a long, long time feeling like I might never fully recover and get back to some of the best aspects of my life. I thankfully did, but plenty of people who were sick at the same time as I was, are still finding their lives are curtailed by the aftereffects. Just surviving is a low bar, most people in our age group don't want to suffer drastically lowered quality of life either, even for a few months.

    Pat Kenny was talking to a guy just before lunch who caught Covid 19 shortly after you. In roughly the same age group and physical condition as yourself he is still in poor shape and despairing of when he'll ever leave this behind. This should be warning to all the indestructibles and 1per centers out there, there just is no knowing who this plague will strike and how they will react to it


  • #6911
    Albanach1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Albanach1


    Hi, have relatives who are travelling back to Ireland for Christmas. They're coming early Dec til Jan. They have to get a PCR test after 5 days of isolating. Does anyone know anywhere that does PCR tests, ideally in the West?


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  • #6912
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Are they going to be called Cavan-19?




    Doh!!! wrong thread


  • #6913
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    zuutroy wrote: »
    So to summarise your two posts, the virus probably isn't dangerous for certain age groups, therefore they shouldn't take a vaccine which also probably isn't dangerous?

    Correct

    If you wanna take a vaccine, take it, it will be perfectly safe, nothing to fear

    If you don't want to take a vaccine, no problem.

    Your gonna survive either way


  • #6914
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Where+can+i+get+a+PCR+test+in+the+west+of+Ireland


  • #6915
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Correct

    If you wanna take a vaccine, take it, it will be perfectly safe, nothing to fear

    If you don't want to take a vaccine, no problem.

    Your gonna survive either way
    What about you carrying the virus then to someone who wouldn't be safe but who gets it because they can't take the vaccine or it doesn't work for them (it's not 100% efficient) ?


  • #6916
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Correct

    If you wanna take a vaccine, take it, it will be perfectly safe, nothing to fear

    If you don't want to take a vaccine, no problem.

    Your gonna survive either way

    That's why the US has no control on the pandemic. Not everything is a personal choice.


  • #6917
    Albanach1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Albanach1


    SB71 wrote: »
    http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Where+can+i+get+a+PCR+test+in+the+west+of+Ireland
    Cracking reply, did you get many answers when you tried it as I didn't. Hence asking here


  • #6918
    Lux23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    Would you check the Department of Foreign Affairs of Transport website maybe? Or email the HSE?


  • #6919
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Albanach1 wrote: »
    Cracking reply, did you get many answers when you tried it as I didn't. Hence asking here

    I don't know as i didn't look, if Google didn't bring up the answer you were looking for then you should really mention this in your post.


  • #6920
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Water John wrote: »
    That's why the US has no control on the pandemic. Not everything is a personal choice.

    Vaccine will sort that


  • #6921
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    ixoy wrote: »
    What about you carrying the virus then to someone who wouldn't be safe but who gets it because they can't take the vaccine or it doesn't work for them (it's not 100% efficient) ?

    Do we do that for every disease in the world?

    You have to draw the line somewhere

    Passive smoking kills too, ban it?


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  • #6922
    Albanach1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 ✭Albanach1


    I've tried all the places I'd expect to find details. Nothing On FDA site around where to get tests done.


  • #6923
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,164 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Shannon Airport if that's any use...
    http://clareherald.com/2020/11/private-covid-testing-from-e149-at-shannon-airport-19293/


  • #6924
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,436 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Do we do that for every disease in the world?
    You have to draw the line somewhere
    Passive smoking kills too, ban it?

    We did in planes, airports, public transport, pubs, restaurants, shops, offices, gigs...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6925
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Do we do that for every disease in the world?

    You have to draw the line somewhere

    Passive smoking kills too, ban it?

    We do it for diseases that we are both able to vaccinate against and are still in the community. Measels being a good example, the main reason little Johnny gets it is not to protect him but to stop him spreading it and protecting the kid that can't take the vaccine and is at risk if they catch it.


  • #6926
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    Have we any reliable info on the efficacy of the Russian or Chinese vaccines? Why aren’t we looking into using one of those?


  • #6927
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    Eivor wrote: »
    Have we any reliable info on the efficacy of the Russian or Chinese vaccines? Why aren’t we looking into using one of those?

    The Russian one was posted a few pages back, 90-95% point estimates on efficacy but with only 39 infection events in total, so confidence intervals are still a bit big.

    The first of Chinese results is expected next week. They published a statement that they've reached the required infection count in their trial in Brazil.


  • #6928
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    Hmmzis wrote: »
    The Russian one was posted a few pages back, 90-95% point estimates on efficacy but with only 39 infection events in total, so confidence intervals are still a bit big.

    The first of Chinese results is expected next week. They published a statement that they've reached the required infection count in their trial in Brazil.

    Thank you!


  • #6929
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Eivor wrote: »
    Have we any reliable info on the efficacy of the Russian or Chinese vaccines? Why aren’t we looking into using one of those?
    The Chinese or Russians would have to submit their data to European regulators and meet European standards before it could be approved.

    They probably won't do that - we have enough Western vaccines as it is, and there is a lot of the world which needs vaccines outside of the West. Russia and China seem to be using their vaccines as a political tool in part.


  • #6930
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Great info on Oxford vaccine.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAvnAkAMmmM


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  • #6931
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Good graph showing where the vaccines are destined for. Shows the importance of the Astra Zeneca & Novavax vaccines.

    https://twitter.com/WhatTimTweets/status/1330608171606564866


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