Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Ficheall · 23-11-2020 06:42PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Speaking on the same programme, she said that a "recent US study showed that those who contracted the virus were shown to be twice as likely to have eaten in a restaurant over the previous two weeks".
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I'm not saying there is no risk from indoor dining. But the consultant should not state as a fact that it's twice the risk.
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All I'm saying is that when they quote these studies, they shouldn't misrepresent the findings. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that was my take on the report vs. how she portrayed it.

If I'm reading your post right, it sounds as though she just said what the study reported?

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 06:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

From that same article

"Dr Ní Cheallagh said that in her view, restaurants could hopefully reopen next spring or summer when a vaccine becomes available."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1179830-politics/

Very kind of her

No bother in having to pay thousands of people in the meantime or that many restaurants wouldn't be reopening

All these consultants and experts are living in one serious well to do bubble!! Haven’t a notion what the restaurant or pub owner is going through at the moment

Richard Hillman · 23-11-2020 06:44PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

Unfortunately this is the ‘new normal’. We had it in the summer. Hysteria at the Penney’s queues, Smyths queues. We’ve had it ingrained into our head that more than a few people anywhere is a threat to our life. It’ll take a while for that psyche to go back to normal.

It’ll be the same in December. Every shop that has a few people, every indoor gathering, every restaurant (if it happens) will be snapped, put up on Twitter and the hysteria will restart. It’s not necessarily people’s fault - it’s the narrative that everything outside of your home is unsafe that a small few have successfully pushed, “experts” included.

And if it was up to NPHET Level 5 would be extended by 2 weeks and everyone will have about 8 days to get their entire Christmas shopping. Imagine the chaos in Dundrum? It would be a couple of hours just to queue to get into the place :pac:

Seamai · 23-11-2020 06:44PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

From that same article

"Dr Ní Cheallagh said that in her view, restaurants could hopefully reopen next spring or summer when a vaccine becomes available."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1179830-politics/

Very kind of her

No bother in having to pay thousands of people in the meantime or that many restaurants wouldn't be reopening

I'm not sure what sort of restaurants she eats in but we took a week's holidays up the west in September and not once in any cafe, restaurant (most of which had all tables occupied) or bar did I feel my safety was compromised in anyway and I'd be a bit on the paranoid side. Maybe she's an all you can eat buffet sort of girl.

Polar101 · 23-11-2020 06:45PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

All I'm saying is that when they quote these studies, they shouldn't misrepresent the findings. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but that was my take on the report vs. how she portrayed it.

Yeah, if I stay at home I might not catch the virus, but if I go somewhere, I'm probably (at least) twice as likely to catch it. Just because I happened to go to a restaurant, doesn't necessarily mean the risk was twice as high in the restaurant.

If that makes sense (not sure if it does, I need coffee).

FinglasFollain · 23-11-2020 06:47PM

Seamai wrote: »

I'm not sure what sort of restaurants she eats in but we took a week's holidays up the west in September and not once in any cafe, restaurant (most of which had all tables occupied) or bars did I feel my safety was compromised in anyway. Maybe she's an all you can eat buffet sort of girl.

Restaurants were one of what you could call a reopening success story in the summer. To the point government were actively encouraging dining out and had planned to continue to with the Spend and Save initiative.

23-11-2020 06:48PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Expect them to soon rise again if instances like what has happened the last few days are repeated.

People have been saying that for literal weeks, and yet numbers continue to fall

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 06:51PM

Seamai wrote: »

I'm not sure what sort of restaurants she eats in but we took a week's holidays up the west in September and not once in any cafe, restaurant (most of which had all tables occupied) or bar did I feel my safety was compromised in anyway and I'd be a bit on the paranoid side. Maybe she's an all you can eat buffet sort of girl.

It's not restaurants specifically, it's that if cases are relatively high in community the risk of people who have virus who may be pre-symptomatic, asymptomatic or have mild symptoms spreading virus in congregated setting where they're there for up to 2 hours is greater.

I think they likely will open anyway but not sure why people are surprised when medics err on the side of caution. It's not exactly a new trend.

440Hertz · 23-11-2020 06:53PM

The one thing I would caution is that you can't really extrapolate data directly from the US into an Irish context. There are a few significant differences.

1) US positivity rates are higher in many places.

2) There's a difference in behaviour: The US has managed to politicise COVID-19 to the point that you've a significant % of the population going around claiming it doesn't exist and huge issues with anti-maskers / people in total denial about it. It would be like if our merry band of conspiracy theorists represented a large chunk of the population, rather than just being a noisy phenomenon on social media. In general in Ireland, most people appear to be trying to keep COVID-19 under control.

3) US buildings are hugely dependent on air conditioning / climate control and heating is by forced air. You've also got significantly colder winter weather in many parts of the US, which tends to make large air changes extremely difficult / uneconomic. If it's very cold outside, cracking open the windows isn't just uncomfortable, it's hugely problematic. Ireland's a lot more temperate.

I really don't think we're doing remotely enough work on the ventilation / HVAC systems to look at how they can be used to mitigate this. Other than in aviation, I'm seeing little or no work or policies on this here in Ireland or anywhere really.

For example, could we source heat-exchange ventilation systems that could be slotted into windows in Irish schools? Might not be the prettiest but for a year or two it might help a lot.

What Username Guidelines · 23-11-2020 06:53PM

252 cases

No deaths

EDIT; Counties
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1330932863731179520?s=20

23-11-2020 06:54PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

252 cases

No deaths

We're trending in the right direction. Open all pubs next week.

Andrew00 · 23-11-2020 06:54PM

Get in!

greensausage · 23-11-2020 06:54PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

252 cases

No deaths

Tony won't be happy

ElJeffe · 23-11-2020 06:56PM

greensausage wrote: »

Tony won't be happy

What an ignorant thing to say.

rob316 · 23-11-2020 06:56PM

greensausage wrote: »

Tony won't be happy

I'm sure he'll piss on it still.

harr · 23-11-2020 06:56PM

Returning to level 3 is not going to be enough to save a lot of businesses.
Level 3 not worth a dam to smaller businesses in small less populated counties.
With above talk of restaurants , pubs and hotels not being able to open properly till spring or summer the hospitality Industry will be decimated.
I know a few smaller retailers who do 60 or 70% of their trade in December.

greensausage · 23-11-2020 06:57PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

What an ignorant thing to say.

It was tongue in cheek to be honest, but lower cases make his case for lockdown harder so..

ElJeffe · 23-11-2020 06:57PM

harr wrote: »

Returning to level 3 is not going to be enough to save a lot of businesses.
Level 3 not worth a dam to smaller businesses in small less populated counties.
With above talk of restaurants , pubs and hotels not being able to open properly till spring or summer the hospitality Industry will be decimated.
I know a few smaller retailers who do 60 or 70% of their trade in December.

Yeah its hard on them but it's more important to save lives imo.

Allinall · 23-11-2020 06:58PM

greensausage wrote: »

It was tongue in cheek to be honest, but lower cases make his case for lockdown harder so..

So what?

ElJeffe · 23-11-2020 06:59PM

greensausage wrote: »

It was tongue in cheek to be honest, but lower cases make his case for lockdown harder so..

I don't believe it was tongue in cheek at all.

JP Liz V1 · 23-11-2020 06:59PM

So 100 cases per day is the target to get out of level 5

ACitizenErased · 23-11-2020 06:59PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

I don't believe it was tongue in cheek at all.

Stop getting offended on the internet, Christ.

jackboy · 23-11-2020 06:59PM

Good numbers today. Looking at the patterns in the last few months it seems to me that that high numbers were due to very localised spikes rather than steady increase in the population.

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 06:59PM

greensausage wrote: »

It was tongue in cheek to be honest, but lower cases make his case for lockdown harder so..

You say that like NPHET's end goal is lockdown and not lower case numbers. I think it goes without saying they went to get cases as low as possible so they can ease restrictions.

greensausage · 23-11-2020 07:00PM

Allinall wrote: »

So what?

So cases staying north of 200/300 make it easier for him to put the case forward for severe lockdown.

blowitupref · 23-11-2020 07:01PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

252 cases

No deaths

EDIT; Counties
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1330932863731179520?s=20

Seven day average is 345 cases per day it was 400 last week. The lowest weekly average since September.

greensausage · 23-11-2020 07:01PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

I don't believe it was tongue in cheek at all.

Fair enough

Allinall · 23-11-2020 07:02PM

Eod100 wrote: »

You say that like NPHET's end goal is lockdown and not lower case numbers. I think it goes without saying they went to get cases as low as possible so they can ease restrictions.

Unfortunately it needs to be spelt out for some posters.

JP Liz V1 · 23-11-2020 07:02PM

124 are men / 128 are women
•65% are under 45 years of age
•The median age is 34 years old
•88 in Dublin, 26 in Cork, 21 in Kilkenny, 16 in Louth, 16 in Mayo with 85 spread across another 20 counties

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 07:03PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

I don't believe it was tongue in cheek at all.

Why do you care?

He/she didn't say anything about you or any of your loved one

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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