Random EV thoughts.....

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I'd say it does because;

most Tesla's have performance characteristics way way above the majority of EV cars.

if the model 3 was 200bhp do you think they would sell any less, i doubt it when i see the profile of the drivers.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I'd say it does because;

most Tesla's have performance characteristics way way above the majority of EV cars.

Well, you removed "the equivalent ICE car" when paraphrasing my post, which makes it easier to twist my words, I suppose. For example, the Micra is basically the same size as a Leaf, and yet the similarly priced Leaf is 3 seconds faster at 0-100kph. How do Teslas stack up against equivalent EVs in that regard?

Beyond that, I just don't think that 0-100 performance matters to a majority of people. At best, they care about city acceleration performance (0-50kph or so) which is much less distinct among EVs compared to most ICE cars.

That said, I'm sure performance matters to people who are already looking at buying a Tesla

Also, I'd just like to point out that this is probably the politest Tesla debate I've ever come across. If I'd posted this over on Cleantechnica or InsideEVs I'd be receiving death threats by now

JCB have an electric Loadall on the market now. Hard to get the full data from the piece, operational time etc. My question on that is because the article says it can charge in eight hours on a 16A plug.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pics-jcb-unveils-first-ever-zero-emission-electric-loadall/

Silent Running wrote: »

What are you basing this on?

All I know is that when I join a motorway at 80 and accelerate to 120 it does it in a very brisk fashion, and would continue well beyond the legal limit if I didn't ease off the throttle.

When I pass a slower car on a national road, I get a great reaction from the car at 60,70,80 and 90. Then I have to throttle back to return to 100.

This in a n e-Niro! I can only imagine that an SR+ is a whole lot better.

take a look at any of the drag races of EVs against performance cars, they get off in front but get pegged back at the higher speeds, not that much of an issue as its generally once they hit 90-100 mph

Silent Running wrote: »

Yeah, but the diesel driver is saying that EVs run out of puff at around 80 kph, not 145 - 160 kph.

I think it was on this forum that someone posted an Autobahn test where some guy pushed the eNiro to its top speed when the limiter kicked in (160km/h, IIRC) without breaking a sweat.

Kramer wrote:

It's pretty quick away from the lights, granted, but it's not 360hp quick

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Here's an SR+ going up against a V6 Mustang, and then a 911 Carrera 4S

Gawd what have I started :eek:.

I was just correcting AndyBoBandy's claim his Model 3 SR+ is 360hp.
It isn't. It's claimed as 283hp, even in that video.

I now call BS on that video. A 4WD Porsche, with 100hp more, weighing the same, quicker to 100km/h by more than a second, loses, even in a rolling start race?

BS.

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I'd like to point out that a discussion about how Tesla is going to compete with lower power, cheaper EVs has turned into a debate about which car has the best acceleration

I guess this is what happens when I talk about such things in an ex-petrolheads forum :D

I think Tesla will occupy a space similar to one that BMW and Audi have occupied for yonkers. I am old enough to remember when the cheapest bimmer was a 3-series and while not eye-wateringly expensive was still seen as a bit of a luxury. Tesla will always be a luxury marque and there will be space for it even when cheaper EVs come in. It will just stop being the logical choice for the majority or even substantial minority of EV owners. They may come out with a Model 2 but to my mind that will be like the 1/2 series or an A/B series Merc or an Audi A1. Not a real bimmer/Merc/Audi.

garo wrote: »

I think Tesla will occupy a space similar to one that BMW and Audi have occupied for yonkers. I am old enough to remember when the cheapest bimmer was a 3-series and while not eye-wateringly expensive was still seen as a bit of a luxury. Tesla will always be a luxury marque and there will be space for it even when cheaper EVs come in. It will just stop being the logical choice for the majority or even substantial minority of EV owners. They may come out with a Model 2 but to my mind that will be like the 1/2 series or an A/B series Merc or an Audi A1. Not a real bimmer/Merc/Audi.

Yeah I feel the same about Tesla, I don't see them going down to the budget end of the market. I think Tesla fans would be more interested in a hot hatch than a base VW Polo clone


I suppose I'm also looking at Tesla from an Irish buyer perspective, whereas their main market is the US where SUVs and pickups are the best selling vehicles, of which Tesla have both.


So I wonder what's next for Tesla, will there be a Model 4 or something to take on the full size saloon market like BMW 5 series or Audi A4? Maybe they'll refresh the Model S with the learnings from the Model 3&Y to make it cheaper to produce?

JohnC. wrote: »

Aren't they in the process of designing a compact hatchback?

They are, but there's no details about it yet, so it's anyone's guess as to what it'll end up being like

My car has a WLTP of 409km, real world in August, I got 290km on the motorway driving at about 110km/h.

Winter I’d sat I’d get no more than 220-240km

I’d say you should be fine, and if in doubt, simply slowing down a bit will help your efficiency,

But you can always stop for a quick tip up somewhere anyway.... a 10 minute coffee/toilet break could put 60-100km into the battery....