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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #7652
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't worry guys it's ok to suggest that someone has a mental illness as long as you backtrack down the road.

    :rolleyes:


  • #7653
    All_in_Flynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    At what stage do you actually call this for what it is....an attempted coup?

    He brought the election officials to the WH in an effort to get them to not honor the vote and certify the results. That in my opinion, is above and beyond bringing cases before the courts.

    I really hope he doesn't get a pardon when it comes down to it. I hope he spends the rest of his life fighting litigation.

    Delighted that Trump Jnr got the virus. Nobody to blame but himself and dear old Dad. I have zero sympathy for him and if anybody thinks I'm a bad person for being glad he got it well I guess I'll just have to live with it.


  • #7654
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Cody montana wrote:
    You literally said he had dementia, when he didn't. That's not having a concern, that's pushing false information, like Trump.
    I never said he had it, I said that his actions made it appear like he may have.
    The debate with Corey Booker put it over the top for me to a position where I had serious concerns.
    They've been allayed since. The first debate with Trump ended any concerns I had and I stated that at the time.
    He's actually a better candidate then I thought too and I've admitted that as well.
    I also backed him to win the election and posted my bets on one of these threads.


  • #7655
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    What do people think?


  • #7656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I never said he had it, I said that his actions made it appear like he may have.
    eagle eye wrote: »
    He won't beat Trump because there is no way swing voters are supporting somebody in the early throws if dementia.

    :confused:


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  • #7657
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,522 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ExMachina1000 wrote:
    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    I'd imagine they'll study it closely and see if they can make drug prices even more affordable.


  • #7658
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    What do people think?

    I think instead of pushing new legislation after he has lost the election trump should concentrate on the smooth transition to the incoming President-Elect Biden's adminstration.


  • #7659
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Good man Boggles. Can you now go find all the posts where I said I was satisfied he didn't have dementia?

    Oh you're back at this, I'm still waiting on proof that I'm a misogynist from you in my past posts


  • #7660
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'd imagine they'll study it closely and see if they can make drug prices even more affordable.

    The Democrats have already condemned it. As have the pharmaceutical industry who have mentioned legal threats.

    I would have thought it was a good thing tbh. Musnt be


  • #7661
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    What do people think?

    That's completely legit, in a press conference where he blamed pharmaceutical companies for costing him the election he then tries to ram in legislation that would undercut their pricing.

    :pac:

    Biden being an adult and not using the office of the president purely for revenge, will try and work with congress and introduce something.

    Pelosi has been touting it for years.


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  • #7662
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    What do people think?

    Perhaps, but priorities are

    Controlling the pandemic.
    Fixing the economy.
    Reversing the damage to the environment caused by Trump.
    Repairing the reputation of the USA.

    Basically
    Fixing all the problems caused by Trump.


  • #7663
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    From the financial times:

    "President Donald Trump has announced reforms aimed at tackling high drug prices in the US, including a controversial measure to try to set prices for American seniors at the lowest level in the developed world. 

    The administration said it would impose a so-called most favoured nation model, in which the government-run Medicare programme would pay no more for 50 popular medicines than drugmakers receive in the lowest-priced developed country"

    This has been condemned by both Democrats and the pharmaceutical industry.

    I can understand pharma companies condemning it because it really hits their profits but Democrats condemning the move is odd. It would benefit all Americans


  • #7664
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    From the financial times:

    "President Donald Trump has announced reforms aimed at tackling high drug prices in the US, including a controversial measure to try to set prices for American seniors at the lowest level in the developed world. 

    The administration said it would impose a so-called most favoured nation model, in which the government-run Medicare programme would pay no more for 50 popular medicines than drugmakers receive in the lowest-priced developed country"

    This has been condemned by both Democrats and the pharmaceutical industry.

    I can understand pharma companies condemning it because it really hits their profits but Democrats condemning the move is odd. It would benefit all Americans

    Link? Isn't this related to a bipartisan Senate bill?


  • #7665
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Link? Isn't this related to a bipartisan Senate bill?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/20/politics/trump-unveils-controversial-drug-price-rules/index.html

    Not bipartisan. All Trump.

    Will save consumers 28 billion dollars over 7 years.

    Big pharma and Democrats have condemned

    It's a bit of a strange one because it has the potential to completely change the industry and save consumers billions in the Us but because it's from Trump people don't know how to react. They might say why didn't he do it 4 years ago?
    The answer to that would be why didn't Obama/Biden do anything about drug prices in their 8 year administration.


  • #7666
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/20/politics/trump-unveils-controversial-drug-price-rules/index.html

    Not bipartisan. All Trump.

    Will save consumers 28 billion dollars over 7 years.

    Big pharma and Democrats have condemned

    Yes.
    While the coronavirus surges across the country, President Trump is spending his twilight days in office pushing through half-baked proposals that will likely be struck down in court because he's desperate to cover up his administration's failure to actually lower drug prices


  • #7667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/20/politics/trump-unveils-controversial-drug-price-rules/index.html

    Not bipartisan. All Trump.

    Will save consumers 28 billion dollars over 7 years.

    Big pharma and Democrats have condemned

    "While the coronavirus surges across the country, President Trump is spending his twilight days in office pushing through half-baked proposals that will likely be struck down in court because he's desperate to cover up his administration's failure to actually lower drug prices"

    They are condemning his actions both because they believe it won't go through and because he should be focusing on Covid, not because they are against the policy itself.

    And it is related to a bipartisan bill, I had a quick Google.


  • #7668
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Boggles wrote: »
    Yes.

    If it is struck down in court because it's full of holes then it's just a rushed farce to divert attention.

    Would it be a good thing if it passed court challenges?


  • #7669
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    If it is struck down in court because it's full of holes then it's just a rushed farce to divert attention.

    Would it be a good thing if it passed court challenges?

    Given the lack of work done to avoid it being struck down, that's pretty much bad legislation. Particularly since it's gonna be caught up in a legal limbo. You're doing your usual thing where you think you're showing up the Democrats while you actively omitted their concerns.


  • #7670
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    If it is struck down in court because it's full of holes then it's just a rushed farce to divert attention.

    Would it be a good thing if it passed court challenges?
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the incoming Joe Biden administration keep the newly placed pharmaceutical drug price legislation announced by Trump yesterday?

    What do people think?

    Let's stick with your original loaded question by asking you a couple.

    Why would Biden go forward with Trumps folly that would be appear not be legal and just an absolute waste of time?

    Why would he not adopt his own parties proposals on lowering drug costs and you know actual lower drug costs instead of pretending to?
    The truth is that prescription drug spending in the U.S. has risen almost inexorably throughout Trump’s term, generally at a faster pace than during President Obama’s first term and toward the end of his second term

    It will be a relief for most and a radical change for some.

    But not having a massive man child in the White House who only cares exclusively about himself will be a very good thing.


  • #7671
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Given the lack of work done to avoid it being struck down, that's pretty much bad legislation. Particularly since it's gonna be caught up in a legal limbo. You're doing your usual thing where you think you're showing up the Democrats while you actively omitted their concerns.

    It's in the post you quoted. If its legally full of holes and is pulled apart in court then it's a farce designed to distract. Just like I said.

    Will the Biden administration tackle drug pricing?


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  • #7672
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the Biden administration tackle drug pricing?

    Yes. You are not making the point you think you are making.

    https://apnews.com/article/8fd715d394586e41a7adc32740af3d1b


  • #7673
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes. You are not making the point you think you are making.

    https://apnews.com/article/8fd715d394586e41a7adc32740af3d1b

    Obama administration?

    That was years ago. Obama is long gone and is irrelevant. I think he writes books now.
    I'm talking about if the BIDEN administration will tackle pharmaceutical pricing.

    Thanks


  • #7674
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    If it is struck down in court because it's full of holes then it's just a rushed farce to divert attention.

    Would it be a good thing if it passed court challenges?

    Hes had 4 years to get something organised that wouldnt fail in court.

    In fairness, he was busy playing golf. One cant exactly expect him to take time away from that to look after the people he all of a sudden claims to care about almost a full 4 years in.

    Considering he most likely did **** all of the actual work himself, the only conclusion is that he deliberately didn't bother with it, unless you think he was so busy for the last 4 years he couldn't take the time to tell someone to do it?



    Maybe the time spent putting reams of blank paper in to folders could have been better used on this.


  • #7675
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Obama administration?

    That was years ago. Obama is long gone and is irrelevant. I think he writes books now.
    I'm talking about if the BIDEN administration will tackle pharmaceutical pricing.

    Thanks

    I know what you are talking about, but I also know what you are attempting to suggest, namely Trump is doing more in this regard than the previous administration.

    Regardless, if I must do a Google search for you, then yes the Biden administration will tackle drug pricing.

    https://joebiden.com/healthcare/
    Too many Americans cannot afford their prescription drugs, and prescription drug corporations are profiteering off of the pocketbooks of sick individuals. Biden will put a stop to runaway drug prices and the profiteering of the drug industry by:
    • Repealing the outrageous exception allowing drug corporations to avoid negotiating with Medicare over drug prices.
    • Limiting launch prices for drugs that face no competition and are being abusively priced by manufacturers.
    • Limiting price increases for all brand, biotech, and abusively priced generic drugs to inflation.
    • Allowing consumers to buy prescription drugs from other countries.
    • Terminating pharmaceutical corporations’ tax break for advertisement spending.
    • Improving the supply of quality generics.


  • #7676
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Hes had 4 years to get something organised that wouldnt fail in court.

    In fairness, he was busy playing golf. One cant exactly expect him to take time away from that to look after the people he all of a sudden claims to care about almost a full 4 years in.

    Considering he most likely did **** all of the actual work himself, the only conclusion is that he deliberately didn't bother with it, unless you think he was so busy for the last 4 years he couldn't take the time to tell someone to do it?

    In that case it sounds like a farce . A distraction.

    Will the Biden administration tackle drug pricing or is it part of his election promises?


  • #7677
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It's in the post you quoted. If its legally full of holes and is pulled apart in court then it's a farce designed to distract. Just like I said.

    So you knew it was nonsense? Did you post it in the hope no one would check?


  • #7678
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Obama administration?

    That was years ago. Obama is long gone and is irrelevant. I think he writes books now.
    I'm talking about if the BIDEN administration will tackle pharmaceutical pricing.

    Thanks

    Yes they will.

    Thats your question answered, now how about you answer some questions that have been asked of you that you keep dodging?


  • #7679
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Will the Biden administration tackle drug pricing or is it part of his election promises?

    How do you expect us to answer this question?


  • #7680
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I know what you are talking about, but I also know what you are attempting to suggest, namely Trump is doing more in this regard than the previous administration.

    Regardless, if I must do a Google search for you, then yes the Biden administration will tackle drug pricing.

    https://joebiden.com/healthcare/

    Excellent. Hopefully they can put something together. By the looks of it Trumps plan wont survive a court case

    I had a quick look there. That bloody donations request that keeps popping up is annoying but once you get to the page it's well laid out.


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  • #7681
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How do you expect us to answer this question?

    The "is it part of his election campaign promises " bit?

    Another poster answered. Turns out it is.


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