Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've bad news for you, that's TDS in all its Glory.

These kind of replies are a perfect example that shows that the only TDS in effect is from people like you, who keep on shilling for this lump of shit, regardless of what he does, says or doesn't say, and continually shedding what little self respect they have left. Utterly deluded unfortunates who wave their little flag and continue to wilfully ignore the train wreck that's going on around them.

It's genuinely saddening that there are people out there that, in spite of all the displays of farce from Trump and his cohorts, they just cannot let go of their mantras and cult like obsession...

...and all for someone who couldn't give a single fuck about them in return.

A true "Trump Derangement Syndrome" if ever there was one.

seamus wrote: »

One would say that Guiliani's paycheque is what's keeping this going. Nobody else is going to hire him for anything now, so he may as ride the Trump train to the end.

But then we remember that Trump rarely actually pays his bills, so why would Rudy stick with him?

So the answer is most likely fear. Rudy is relying on a Presidential Pardon. He is inexorably hitched to this freakshow now because if he abandons Trump, Rudy will be in front of a federal judge before the end of 2021.

I am not a fan of rudy but what did he do that is illegal?(maybe he did and I just missed it)

He is just a lawyer, he is paid to represent his client, that is what he is doing in his own ridiculous way.

Hasn't he been up to some real dodgy **** in the Ukraine?

seamus wrote: »

One would say that Guiliani's paycheque is what's keeping this going. Nobody else is going to hire him for anything now, so he may as ride the Trump train to the end.

But then we remember that Trump rarely actually pays his bills, so why would Rudy stick with him?

So the answer is most likely fear. Rudy is relying on a Presidential Pardon. He is inexorably hitched to this freakshow now because if he abandons Trump, Rudy will be in front of a federal judge before the end of 2021.

How rudy has not been disbarred I don't know. the cases he brings would make the most obnoxious ambulance chaser blush.

Tony EH wrote: »

Tactics are supposed to help you win though.

I didn't say it was smart tactic

I genuinely am baffled by the adulation that the Trump fans have for Trump. They cheer on every destructive thing he does and says even now up to the point where he is actively trying to undermine the democratic process and trying to literally steal the election.

The man has no positive qualities that you'd expect to see in a leader. In fact if you thought of all the bad leadership qualities Trump would tick the box on them all: no integrity, self-centered, poor communicator, no vision for the future, surrounds themselves with yes-men etc.

What do people see in him? It's bonkers.

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It's quite unbelievable that he's gone from "America's Mayor" to this.

Not really.

Rudy Giuliani was always a piece of crap and most New Yorkers will tell you so. They remember him as the guy who relinquished rent controls and gave the "market" to the landlords, who subsequently shot up the cost of rent in the city and boroughs to a ridiculous degree, forcing people further and further out of the state they were born in and away from their families. $3000 a month rent for a kip in Brooklyn is his fault.

He rode the bandwagon of 9/11 and for a short time enjoyed a bit of ra-ra, making sure to capitalise on a good crisis. But the Giuliani you're seeing in display, now, is the classic wanker he's always been.

namloc1980 wrote: »

I genuinely am baffled by the adulation that the Trump fans have for Trump. They cheer on every destructive thing he does and says even now up to the point where he is actively trying to undermine the democratic process and trying to literally steal the election.

The man has no positive qualities that you'd expect to see in a leader. In fact if you thought of all the bad leadership qualities Trump would tick the box on them all: no integrity, self-centered, poor communicator, no vision for the future, surrounds themselves with yes-men etc.

What do people see in him? It's bonkers.

Absolutely I cannot understand the support he still commands in the US. The closest we have is the national party, who might get a few hundred votes in an election.

namloc1980 wrote: »

I genuinely am baffled by the adulation that the Trump fans have for Trump. They cheer on every destructive thing he does and says even now up to the point where he is actively trying to undermine the democratic process and trying to literally steal the election.

The man has no positive qualities that you'd expect to see in a leader. In fact if you thought of all the bad leadership qualities Trump would tick the box on them all: no integrity, self-centered, poor communicator, no vision for the future, surrounds themselves with yes-men etc.

What do people see in him? It's bonkers.

He's a representation of their latent and explicit problems with modern society. Race equality, LGBTI, abortion, immigration etc. Trump espouses their opinions on these 'problems' so they ignore the fact that he is an appalling human being.

namloc1980 wrote: »

I genuinely am baffled by the adulation that the Trump fans have for Trump. They cheer on every destructive thing he does and says even now up to the point where he is actively trying to undermine the democratic process and trying to literally steal the election.

The man has no positive qualities that you'd expect to see in a leader. In fact if you thought of all the bad leadership qualities Trump would tick the box on them all: no integrity, self-centered, poor communicator, no vision for the future, surrounds themselves with yes-men etc.

What do people see in him? It's bonkers.

You're talking about a country that has evangelical preachers, who grift off of fools and relieve them of their money every week. A country that produced the likes of Jim Jones and David Koresh. A place where there are folk who are waiting for the end times so they can experience the "Rapture". A religious class of WASP that looks forward to Armageddon in Israel, so it can fulfil some Biblical baloney.

It's a nation that's choc-a-bloc with the most absurd type of moron. Morons who will often drown out the more steady minded majority, but who'll garner a lot more attention than their grounded-in-reality counterpart.

It's also a country where the people know that the system is wrong on so many levels. It's a system that works against it's citizens in a large part. As Chomsky once said, "People know that things need fixing, they just don't know how to proceed."

So, along comes someone like Trump, who promises a lot of guff. A salesman trading in mantas and chants, saying stuff that people want to hear. He has absolutely no intention on following through with his promises, of course and, in reality, he has no real way of doing so either. But that doesn't matter to him. He's in it for the scam. But he'll get a lot of believers on his side from within and without. Even poor deluded fools on Irish internet forums, who ignore the absolute travesty that Trump and his gooftroop have littered the American political system with. A system that was in very poor shape to begin with.

Certain people want to be led to the promised land and they find it extremely difficult to simply admit that they backed a fraud and a charlatan, because being merely "wrong" is, somehow, worse than being a fool to them.

joseywhales wrote: »

I am not a fan of rudy but what did he do that is illegal?(maybe he did and I just missed it)

He is just a lawyer, he is paid to represent his client, that is what he is doing in his own ridiculous way.

Rudy is the target of an investigation lead by the SDNY, which he used to lead himself.

He has two accomplices in a particular endevour - Igor Fruman and Les Parnas, both of whom are under indictment.

Rudy is up to his hair-dyed neck in it. If he does get a pardon from Trump, it can only be in relation to federal crimes. It won't cover State crimes.

Every single thing they are doing can be put down to three things IMHO;

1) Trump's malignant narcissism - cannot accept defeat and will do whatever he can to avoid it
2) a desperate attempt to retain the legal protection of the Office due to imminent threats once he is outside
3) using it as a base to run for 2024

everlast75 wrote: »

Every single thing they are doing can be put down to three things IMHO;

1) Trump's malignant narcissism - cannot accept defeat and will do whatever he can to avoid it
2) a desperate attempt to retain the legal protection of the Office due to imminent threats once he is outside
3) using it as a base to run for 2024

Correction to that.

One of the big reasons apart from realing trying to stay in power and out of jail and keep the Republican party under his influence so they can help bail him out when he faces jail is ... MONEY

The longer he keeps this farce going that he is fighting the result in court the longer he can keep sucking money out of his moronic base.
And he needs money to pay off debts, including his campaign debts.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1329776726726111233?s=20

I think Trump derangement syndrome is really the lengths his supporters go to to placate the big baby that he is...

joseywhales wrote: »

I am not a fan of rudy but what did he do that is illegal?(maybe he did and I just missed it)

He is just a lawyer, he is paid to represent his client, that is what he is doing in his own ridiculous way.

For one, he (yes, Rudy himself) is claiming to have stored and held onto child porn on his computer which he "slept with at night."