US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

paul71 · 20-11-2020 03:39AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I asked the question so I was kinda hoping for an answer.

Thank you.

Gun licences added and Uni ID's deleted sounds strange. Just curious though, are minorities more likely to go to Uni than whites?

Sorry lads you'll have to explain that one.

You know exactly what you were saying with the "these folks" comment.

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 03:54AM

paul71 wrote: »

Read it again, they were registrations not applications.

I have done and it repeatedly says applications. Anyway it doesn't matter.

paul71 wrote: »

You know exactly what you were saying with the "these folks" comment.

What???

I'd normally not make a deal out of something but you've gotten a "like" for that and in the past this kind of shrouded accusation of something (that I'm clueless about) has gotten me in trouble with moderation. I don't want that to happen again.

Manic Moran · 20-11-2020 06:27AM

paul71 wrote: »

University IDs removed from the list of documents accepted as IDs and Gun licenses added, it is the cumulative effect of thousands of of deliberate discriminatory laws, designed by racists and bigots against "these folks" that suppress votes.

Gun licenses tend to be government issued identification. In my case, both my driver's license and my gun license are issued by the Tx. Department of Public Safety. In one case (the gun license), I had to have my identity and eligibility verified by background check with fingerprints taken. If a driver's license is good enough to vote here, a firearms license is damned well good enough to vote.

The question of whether university ID should be considered good enough to vote is more difficult. According to https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/texas/ , "There are 170 colleges and universities in Texas enrolling 1,572,375 students."

For Georgia, it says "There are 114 colleges and universities in Georgia enrolling 530,360 students."

Presuming most have their own IDs, there is no way to expect a poll worker to know if he's looking at a real one or not. Further, the standard is hardly unique: Good luck trying to get on an airplane, for example, with a university ID, even if it's one from as famous as Harvard.

In the case of Georgia specifically, those evil Republicans who control the legislature also changed to law just before the 2016 election to automatically register to vote anyone who is eligible and has a driver's license. A bit like California, actually. Except the system enrolled more people in Georgia than in California, it seems. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-happened-when-2-2-million-people-were-automatically-registered-to-vote/

Or
https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--politics/automatic-registration-leads-surge-new-georgia-voters/97PMHrv8anlB66TfKdlUtK/
With little fanfare, Georgia started automatically signing up voters in droves three years ago when they got their driver’s licenses.

That quiet change made a loud impact: more than 681,000 newly registered voters, pushing the state's total number of voters to a record high of 7 million.

Amid heated battles over voting rights, Georgia has emerged as an unlikely national leader in automatic voter registration, according to a study this month by the Brennan Center for Justice. The study estimated that 94% more voters registered in Georgia than if the state hadn't implemented automatic voter registration in September 2016.

Which seems more than 35,000 removed for inaccurate form-filling.

swiwi_ · 20-11-2020 06:42AM

Chips Lovell wrote: »

I seriously doubt it. His entire presidency has been characterised by inaction camouflaged by empty rhetoric. It's quite the stretch to think that, even if he wanted to, he'd be able to manage something as consequential as starting a war.

(l’état - avec un accent aigu - c’est nous)

Is voter turnout of 65% generally par for the course for a democracy? Probably about right I suppose. But if either of the parties could motivate even 10% of the 35% it could swing a state or two.

Tell me how · 20-11-2020 06:52AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

(l’état - avec un accent aigu - c’est nous)

Is voter turnout of 65% generally par for the course for a democracy? Probably about right I suppose. But if either of the parties could motivate even 10% of the 35% it could swing a state or two.

Turnout this year was highest in 120 years.

MadYaker · 20-11-2020 06:56AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Turnout this year was highest in 120 years.

One good thing you could say about Trump is that he got people to vote, although for the wrong reasons. Hopefully that’s a trend that continues in future state and presidential elections. Democracies tend to work better if everyone votes.

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 08:32AM

MadYaker wrote: »

One good thing you could say about Trump is that he got people to vote, although for the wrong reasons. Hopefully that’s a trend that continues in future state and presidential elections. Democracies tend to work better if everyone votes.

Couldn't agree more. Dead people voting gives me real hope for the afterlife.

johnnyskeleton · 20-11-2020 08:33AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why are these folks so much less likely to have their applications in order?

Mod note:

Nope! Banned for 1 month. Other posters please dont reply to V8 Interceptors comments dueing that time

stoneill · 20-11-2020 08:35AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Dead people voting gives me real hope for the afterlife.

Wasn't the only cases of people using dead names to vote a couple of blokes trying to vote for Trump?

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 08:38AM

stoneill wrote: »

Wasn't the only cases of people using dead names to vote a couple of blokes trying to vote for Trump?

Oh they voted for Trump? That's fine then. Election fraud is totally a myth in that case. :pac:

TomOnBoard · 20-11-2020 08:45AM

Judging by last night's TV networks and comments on Twitter, it looks like the Trump campaign attempt to have the election results overthrown is finally being seen for what it is- a 'soft-coup'... shoddy, mis-managed, cack-handed, but a coup attempt nonetheless! Trump's Plan B attempt MUST BE shut down by Mitch Mc Connell and his Senate GOP colleagues NOW, to avoid a schism in US society that will take decades to heal.

The 70+ million Trump voters are being increasingly wound up by baseless allegations being made in public that totally undermine the electoral process and spread lies made up on the far-right fringes of Q-land. Many of these people being wound up may not unwind themselves gracefully when the coup attempt fails, as it must. Trump and his so-called 'legal team' are playing with fire, and lobbing petrol bombs!

GA will certify the result today. Michigan will do so on Monday. PA, WI, MN, AZ and NV are all still being targeted by the crackpot fraud claims made outside of a court setting. This, despite the same/related Trump team lawyers losing every attempt at alleging fraud in cases, or stipulating in court that NO fraud is being alleged. This madness has to stop before the tipping point into violence is reached!

What an absolute ****show of sedition and treachery, on a day when the official (but likely under-estimated) Covid death toll went over 250,000 souls. And there's simply no functioning national government, apart from a recalcitrant failed administration poisoning wells and setting fires that the incoming administration will take a year or more to put out.

Roanmore · 20-11-2020 09:00AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Judging by last night's TV networks and comments on Twitter, it looks like the Trump campaign attempt to have the election results overthrown is finally being seen for what it is- a 'soft-coup'... shoddy, mis-managed, cack-handed, but a coup attempt nonetheless! Trump's Plan B attempt MUST BE shut down by Mitch Mc Connell and his Senate GOP colleagues NOW, to avoid a schism in US society that will take decades to heal.

The 70+ million Trump voters are being increasingly wound up by baseless allegations being made in public that totally undermine the electoral process and spread lies made up on the far-right fringes of Q-land. Many of these people being wound up may not unwind themselves gracefully when the coup attempt fails, as it must. Trump and his so-called 'legal team' are playing with fire, and lobbing petrol bombs!

GA will certify the result today. Michigan will do so on Monday. PA, WI, MN, AZ and NV are all still being targeted by the crackpot fraud claims made outside of a court setting. This, despite the same/related Trump team lawyers losing every attempt at alleging fraud in cases, or stipulating in court that NO fraud is being alleged. This madness has to stop before the tipping point into violence is reached!

What an absolute ****show of sedition and treachery, on a day when the official (but likely under-estimated) Covid death toll went over 250,000 souls. And there's simply no functioning national government, apart from a recalcitrant failed administration poisoning wells and setting fires that the incoming administration will take a year or more to put out.

I think the official GOP Twitter account tweeting out Rudy's press conference yesterday without comment hasn't helped either. It sounds like they have endorsed all the crazy claims made by the lawyers.

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1329490975266398210

Field east · 20-11-2020 09:21AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Normally they are a group of nominees put forward by the relevant political party before the election. When you cast your vote as a voter, you are actually voting for the group of nominees from that State who have been selected by the party of the presidential nominee whose na€ me you are selecting.

Is it not the case that the presidential candidate gets all the EC votes in a state if he/she wins that state. ? What have these nominees got to do with overseeing this apart from formally agreeing that the winner takes all and recording the decision in the ‘minutes of the meeting’ . I understand that a few states divvy up the College votes in another way.
And who decides on the number of nominees per canditate? What happens if , say ,Biden wins a state by a landslide and Trump has the majority of the nominees, can the Trump nominees refuse to agree that Biden gets all the votes.

And why is Trump thinking of replacing ‘his’ nominees with another group of them? Is it because the original selection will not do his bidding. .
Would appreciate if some boardie out there would clear this up for me.
It may be of interest to know because we could be going down this track

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 09:24AM

Roanmore wrote: »

It sounds like they have endorsed all the crazy claims made by the lawyers.

It'll be up to the courts to decide whether these claims are crazy, not the biased news networks who pushed the baseless Russia-collusion narrative from 2016. All we can do is wait and see.

Here's the full press conference for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8LiGZhK-bg

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-11-2020 09:32AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

It'll be up to the courts to decide whether these claims are crazy, not the biased news networks who pushed the baseless Russia-collusion narrative from 2016. All we can do is wait and see.

Here's the full press conference for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8LiGZhK-bg

It wasn't a press conference, it was an hour of liar after liar standing in front of a microphone making baseless claims without showing a shred of evidence.

It was a circus for the Trump believers, the head clown even had his hair dye running down the side of his face. 32 cases laughed out of various courts now and still there are Trump zealots who believe in this "voter fraud" conspiracy and that their man will overturn results in the states he lost and be re-elected.

Trump made the office of the president of the United States into a laughing stock around the world, Now he is showing why he is not and never was fit to hold that office in the first place.

If anyone had told me 20 or even 10 years ago that the transition of power from one president to another would go like this I would have called the men in white coats to take them away.

Deludedone · 20-11-2020 09:45AM

Field east wrote: »

Is it not the case that the presidential candidate gets all the EC votes in a state if he/she wins that state. ? What have these nominees got to do with overseeing this apart from formally agreeing that the winner takes all and recording the decision in the ‘minutes of the meeting’ . I understand that a few states divvy up the College votes in another way.
And who decides on the number of nominees per canditate? What happens if , say ,Biden wins a state by a landslide and Trump has the majority of the nominees, can the Trump nominees refuse to agree that Biden gets all the votes.

And why is Trump thinking of replacing ‘his’ nominees with another group of them? Is it because the original selection will not do his bidding. .
Would appreciate if some boardie out there would clear this up for me.
It may be of interest to know because we could be going down this track

I'm not sure if this article answers your specific question but it may offer some insight as to what is possibly at play at the moment. Since I'm a new user I can't post the full link.
dailyposter.com/p/trump-is-staging-a-coup-why-are-dems

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 09:51AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It wasn't a press conference

Even CNN was there... it was a press conference, sorry.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

it was an hour of liar after liar standing in front of a microphone making baseless claims without showing a shred of evidence.

Try actually watching the full video. These are opening statements, that outline what will be proven... not a presentation of evidence.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

the head clown even had his hair dye running down the side of his face

Which isn't going to matter in court, no more than Trump's weird hair, spotty face-tan, small hands, or any number of other low-information-voter ad-hominem talking points.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

32 cases laughed out of various courts now

Try sitting all the way through the video. This "32 cases" conspiracy-theory is thoroughly debunked in the video.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If anyone had told me 20 or even 10 years ago that the transition of power from one president to another would go like this I would have called the men in white coats to take them away.

Yes, it's a shít-show... I think everyone can agree with that. But on one side you have mad-man Hitler Trump attempting a coup, or corrupt democrat true-believers thinking they have the right to circumvent democracy because they know better. And with the attitude from leftists from the past 4 years, I know which conspiracy theory is sounding more credible to me.

Roanmore · 20-11-2020 10:01AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

It'll be up to the courts to decide whether these claims are crazy, not the biased news networks who pushed the baseless Russia-collusion narrative from 2016. All we can do is wait and see.

Here's the full press conference for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8LiGZhK-bg

Biased News Networks? Even Fox News have said it was rubbish, Tucker Carlson of all people.

VinLieger · 20-11-2020 10:10AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Try sitting all the way through the video. This "32 cases" conspiracy-theory is thoroughly debunked in the video.

How is it a conspiracy theory? Its a literal fact that they have lost 31 out of 32 cases taken. And no i'm not gonna scrub through that garbage to find what lie they are trotting out, link the time code and video if you really think they validly explain it away.

Whats is my new favorite conspiracy theory is Hugo Chavez, who is dead, is responsible for the election being stolen.

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 10:13AM

Roanmore wrote: »

Biased News Networks? Even Fox News have said it was rubbish, Tucker Carlson of all people.

Fox also called (contested) Arizona for Biden before any other network, and have lost 40%+ of their audience as a result. Tucker's refusal to give credence to election irregularities has tanked his ratings among his base.

I'm following this **** like an episode of Game of Thrones, all I can say is this is completely mental. The democrats had their day in court with the Russia-collusion impeachment and came up with nothing... now the shoe is on the other foot, and all of a sudden the election process is immune to corruption? Please.

salmocab · 20-11-2020 10:21AM

Game of thrones was fantasy?

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 10:22AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Its a literal fact that they have lost 31 out of 32 cases taken

Ok, I'll give you the short version...

According to Giuliani, these weren't his cases. They were cases brought by other private individuals. Some of them, before election night.

He addresses this directly in the full press-conference... but I guess you can't watch the whole thing without vomiting?

I mean, I get it... I was like that with Bush Jr., I wouldn't sit through 90 mins of his bóllox either, unless there were several hilarious gaffs to be heard.

Quin_Dub · 20-11-2020 10:45AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Ok, I'll give you the short version...

According to Giuliani, these weren't his cases. They were cases brought by other private individuals. Some of them, before election night.

He addresses this directly in the full press-conference... but I guess you can't watch the whole thing without vomiting?

I mean, I get it... I was like that with Bush Jr., I wouldn't sit through 90 mins of his bóllox either, unless there were several hilarious gaffs to be heard.

But -

At his "Press Conference" Guiliani claims they have huge evidence of Voter fraud all across the country , yet in HIS court case , their submission EXPLICITLY says that they have no evidence of Voter fraud and that their challenges are based solely on various technicalities around what votes should/should not be included.

So -

In front of a TV camera where truth doesn't matter - It's FRAUD!! , THEFT!!! , CORRUPTION!!!
In front of a Judge , where lack of Truth will get you jail time - No Fraud at all your honor , we just want to argue some technicalities.

It's a Grift to get cash from soft touches in the Trump base , nothing more , nothing less.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-11-2020 10:47AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Even CNN was there... it was a press conference, sorry.

Try actually watching the full video. These are opening statements, that outline what will be proven... not a presentation of evidence.

Which isn't going to matter in court, no more than Trump's weird hair, spotty face-tan, small hands, or any number of other low-information-voter ad-hominem talking points.

Try sitting all the way through the video. This "32 cases" conspiracy-theory is thoroughly debunked in the video.

Yes, it's a shít-show... I think everyone can agree with that. But on one side you have mad-man Hitler Trump attempting a coup, or corrupt democrat true-believers thinking they have the right to circumvent democracy because they know better. And with the attitude from leftists from the past 4 years, I know which conspiracy theory is sounding more credible to me.

I don't need to sit through it, I watched it live! 32 cases have been thrown out of court, Rudi may not have bought the cases but he sure as shìt was involved in some of them.

They also claimed this tampering has been going on for many years, does that mean Trump isn’t a legitimate president because the election was "tampered with"?

The truth is that this is Trumps second last ploy to hold onto power, it will fail and then we will see him attempt to tamper with the electoral college candidates.

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire · 20-11-2020 10:50AM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Do you have any evidence to support this statement? Or have you read this in a tweet somewhere from a deranged orange-u-tan

Even CNN is reporting a mass-exodus from Fox News by Trump supporters. Look it up chief.

VinLieger · 20-11-2020 10:50AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Fox also called (contested) Arizona for Biden before any other network, and have lost 40%+ of their audience as a result. Tucker's refusal to give credence to election irregularities has tanked his ratings among his base.

LOL they did this because they were running off incorrect data, there was an error in the api from the main count centre so everyone was seeing it as 98% counted but it was actually only 86%. FOX and the AP called it before the error was fixed and refused to go back on their calls, turns out they were right though so fair play for sticking to their guns.

Also second LOL because you obviously have r/conservative on google alert if your spouting that fox news figures story which is the only place ive seen it today, fyi the daily wire is an even less reputable source than fox.

drunkmonkey · 20-11-2020 10:51AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Whats is my new favorite conspiracy theory is Hugo Chavez, who is dead, is responsible for the election being stolen.

You don't think it's possible Hugo would have altered Election results if it was possible you know he would have the same goes for the Democrats, anyone watching the run up to the election could see Biden hadn't a chance of beating Trump.

First Up · 20-11-2020 10:52AM

Move on folks. The election is over and the Trump presidency is history. He knows that and is building his next career in the media. Giuliani is auditioning for a job, as are others.

He will take audience share from Fox and with 70+ million gullible voters he can approach advertisers with confidence.

Plenty of money in that and a platform to feed his ego. That will keep him happy and busy.

Tippex · 20-11-2020 10:53AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Ok, I'll give you the short version...

According to Giuliani, these weren't his cases. They were cases brought by other private individuals. Some of them, before election night.

He addresses this directly in the full press-conference... but I guess you can't watch the whole thing without vomiting?

I mean, I get it... I was like that with Bush Jr., I wouldn't sit through 90 mins of his bóllox either, unless there were several hilarious gaffs to be heard.

They were the Trumps teams cases.
Do really believe what comes out of giuliani’s mouth?

Any comment on the **** show of the case in PA he is currently running where they removed most of the complaints in the amended documents only for Giuliani to state not they weren’t removed they are still in there.
Then during the case he had to be explained by the judge how to lodge an amendment.
Never mind the fact that now they lodged an amendment and even signed judge Branns name on the amendment?

listermint · 20-11-2020 10:54AM

Lord PuppyMcSnuggle of Cuddleshire wrote: »

Even CNN is reporting a mass-exodus from Fox News by Trump supporters. Look it up chief.

make false statements, throw in some unsound stats to back up previous false statement, then tell everyone else to 'look it up'

Sounds Legit.

Do people just keep a bucket load of accounts stored on a notepad somewhere for logging in randomly.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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