US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Manic Moran · 19-11-2020 10:35PM

OhHiMark wrote: »

One thing I don't get about the electoral college system is, who are the electors? I keep reading that Trump will try to put his own electors forward but surely they already know who they are?

Normally they are a group of nominees put forward by the relevant political party before the election. When you cast your vote as a voter, you are actually voting for the group of nominees from that State who have been selected by the party of the presidential nominee whose name you are selecting.

Itssoeasy · 19-11-2020 10:43PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Rudi's performances on/post- 9/11 were an aberration. He was always a goon, whose prosecutor/SDNY days were described thus:

"What's the most dangerous place on Earth? Being between Rudi Giuliani and a microphone! "

The same has been said about Chuck Schumer in the past. In a weird way 9/11 made New Yorkers forget how bad of a mayor he was prior to that awful event and yes in fairness he did handle that situation well but as you say it’s one time period in a sea of crap.

I didn’t see the press conference but its gone beyond a farce at this stage. It’s very sad actually.

BringBackMick · 19-11-2020 10:46PM

Momentum is really building now in camp Trump and you sense the Biden side are getting anxious

Gonna be difficult for Biden to claw this back

Itssoeasy · 19-11-2020 10:49PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

This angry lady at the Giuliani press conference is hitting all the lunatic talking points:
George Soros

Hugo Chavez

"Injecting" ballots

Communists funding the left

She looked like she was on the verge of bringing up an international pedophile ring but that would have been a little too on the nose

Hugo Chavez ? Sure he’s dead a few years so how is he involved ?

Brian? · 19-11-2020 10:52PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Momentum is really building now in camp Trump and you sense the Biden side are getting anxious

Gonna be difficult for Biden to claw this back

Claw what back? Biden won the election. It’ll be certified soon, then he electoral college will vote him in and he’ll be inaugurated in January.

What have Trumps campaign done that will slow this down, never mind stop it.

Brian? · 19-11-2020 10:53PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Hugo Chavez ? Sure he’s dead a few years so how is he involved ?

I couldn’t believe what I was watching earlier. It was absolute madness

jaykay74 · 19-11-2020 10:54PM

Brian? wrote: »

Claw what back? Biden won the election. It’ll be certified soon, then he electoral college will vote him in and he’ll be inaugurated in January.

What have Trumps campaign done that will slow this down, never mind stop it.

The problem is its hard to work out what is humour and what's delusion anymore. I think this was humour maybe.

one armed dwarf · 19-11-2020 11:00PM

I think Mick meant to post that on 3am election night but it got delayed 2 weeks

19-11-2020 11:02PM

Brian? wrote: »

Karl Rove isn’t convinced on Fox News. He’s politely reaming the Trump legal team for making such serious accusations

I never thought I'd see the day that Ham Rove would be the voice of reason.

Water John · 19-11-2020 11:21PM

CNN didn't show the Rudy show. Briana Keller said this was because it was full of BS. Love it when she talks dirty.

TomOnBoard · 19-11-2020 11:29PM

Water John wrote: »

CNN didn't show the Rudy show. Briana Keller said this was because it was full of BS. Love it when she talks dirty.

If Brianna talked dirty to me and called BS, I'd immediately jump in the shower! Brianna doesn't do small-talk. Her questions are laser-focused and as sharp as a rapier. She is one of the best interviewers for cutting through BS and eliciting the truth in an interview.

While CNN didn't show it, OANN and Newsmax will be running it for days (sans a melting Rudey) and the 70+million Trump voters will be lapping it up.

Water John · 19-11-2020 11:37PM

The story goes that when Hilary was giving her first interview on running for POTUS, one of her staff asked CNN for Bianna (Golodryga) but it was misunderstood as Brianna (Keller). Clinton got a grilling rather than the soft interview expected.
Brianna is very deceptive, very laid back voice but carries a scalpel.

paul71 · 20-11-2020 12:47AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

Normally they are a group of nominees put forward by the relevant political party before the election. When you cast your vote as a voter, you are actually voting for the group of nominees from that State who have been selected by the party of the presidential nominee whose name you are selecting.

Exactly, one of the electors in New York is Hillary Clinton.

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 01:07AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Eh?No. There's not. Cmon.

No, there's never been a photo on my polling card. First I heard of it.

uncleoswald · 20-11-2020 01:13AM

I have no idea about the process and am genuinely curious (alarmed) if Trump has a path to victory here?

I'm seeing a lot of people assuring us that Trump has no path to victor. But is that authoritative or are they just from people who have a bit too much blind faith in the system? Like when we thought he'd never win the Republican Primary, or the presidential election, or has been allowed to do so many of the outrageous things he's already done.

Is the plan just to delay, delay delay and then... something something supreme court?

Or if enough Republican electors cave to MAGA pressure can the election be overturned?

I'm generally of the opinion that this is all for show so Trump has an excuse for losing but am curious if people (who know much about these things) think he has much of a shot.

Itssoeasy · 20-11-2020 01:13AM

Water John wrote: »

CNN didn't show the Rudy show. Briana Keller said this was because it was full of BS. Love it when she talks dirty.

I was just watching the clip on CNN’s YouTube page. That Jenna... I’ve forgotten her surname but she seems to have caught the same thing Lindsay graham has come down with these past four years. But yeah Brianna is excellent and she has never raises her voice but she takes no BS or waffle.

paul71 · 20-11-2020 01:30AM

uncleoswald wrote: »

I have no idea about the process and am genuinely curious (alarmed) if Trump has a path to victory here?

I'm seeing a lot of people assuring us that Trump has no path to victor. But is that authoritative or are they just from people who have a bit too much blind faith in the system? Like when we thought he'd never win the Republican Primary, or the presidential election, or has been allowed to do so many of the outrageous things he's already done.

Is the plan just to delay, delay delay and then... something something supreme court?

Or if enough Republican electors cave to MAGA pressure can the election be overturned?

I'm generally of the opinion that this is all for show so Trump has an excuse for losing but am curious if people (who know much about these things) think he has much of a shot.

Thats not how it works. The electors names are put forward by each party (or candidate) before the election.

The vote is actually for the electors not the candidates. So for instance Georgia voted democrat and this is the list of the Electors put forward by the Democratic party.

Stacey Abrams
Nikema Williams
Bob Trammell
Steve Henson
Calvin Smyre
Van R. Johnson
Wendy Davis
Gloria Butler
Deborah Gonzalez
Bobby Fuse
Sachin Varghese
Fenika Miller
Pedro Marin
Rachel Paule
Cathy Woolard
Ben Myers

Each of them has a vote in the electoral college and the republicans get no votes because they lost the state of Georgia.

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 01:30AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Well yes they make it easier to vote in areas they control..... they cant do anything in areas they don't. Do you think there's a problem with making it easier to vote?

I find it highly curious you seem to be equating both voter suppression with easier voting access as being nefarious political tools?

How do they suppress the vote? Someone linked up a couple of Guardian articles earlier claiming the GOP admitted doing it but they didn't.

The argument re the Dems was that they ballot harvest in areas where they're likely to be voted for, ie like you say making it easier to vote, but they don't in areas where they're less likely to get votes making it somewhat unfair.

DubInMeath wrote: »

You know that you can vote by mail here don't you, if you meet specific requirements?

I do indeed.

BonnieSituation · 20-11-2020 01:39AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

No, there's never been a photo on my polling card. First I heard of it.

I know.

I said that above.

It was a facetious comment made in the face of your ludicrous claims about voter fraud.

paul71 · 20-11-2020 01:39AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

How do they suppress the vote? Someone linked up a couple of Guardian articles earlier claiming the GOP admitted doing it but they didn't.

The argument re the Dems was that they ballot harvest in areas where they're likely to be voted for, ie like you say making it easier to vote, but they don't in areas where they're less likely to get votes making it somewhat unfair.

I do indeed.

By striking off 750,000 voters from the register a month before State governors election in predominately Black areas of Georgia for no reason.

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/22/georgia-and-the-right-to-vote

If that had been done in Ireland there would rightly be cival war.

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 01:54AM

paul71 wrote: »

By striking off 750,000 voters from the register a month before State governors election in predominately Black areas of Georgia for no reason.

https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2018/10/22/georgia-and-the-right-to-vote

If that had been done in Ireland there would rightly be cival war.

40 days? That seems like a reasonable time to correct any irregularities. Our electoral register in Ireland some say is in a mess. Perhaps some such scrutiny in our own land wouldn't go amiss in cleaning it up a bit?

uncleoswald · 20-11-2020 02:13AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

40 days? That seems like a reasonable time to correct any irregularities. Our electoral register in Ireland some say is in a mess. Perhaps some such scrutiny in our own land wouldn't go amiss in cleaning it up a bit?

Anything to say about the racial imbalance of the clean up process? The Republicans sure are selective when it comes to cleaning up "irregularities." But I'm sure it's just coincidental.

"black applicants were eight times more likely than whites—and Latinos and Asian-Americans six times more likely—to be rejected"

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 02:33AM

Why are these folks so much less likely to have their applications in order?

paul71 · 20-11-2020 02:57AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Yes, why once again is it black people who are in focus here? Why are they 6 times more likely than Latinos and Asians not to have their applications in order?

They were not applications, they were registered voters struck off for no reason, massive voter suppression which would not be tolerated anywhere except in the armed police state that is the US.

It is to the immense credit of Stacey Abrams the candidate who lost in that election due to the criminal and immoral suppression of the Republican governor of Georgia that she has since then in 1 year organised the registration of 800,000 voters in Georgia and helped restore a semblance of democracy in that state.

uncleoswald · 20-11-2020 03:06AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why are these folks so much less likely to have their applications in order?

The "these folks" bit... yikes. Is your suggestion that black americans are eight times more likely to be unable to fill out applications than their white counterparts?

paul71 · 20-11-2020 03:07AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Why are these folks so much less likely to have their applications in order?

University IDs removed from the list of documents accepted as IDs and Gun licenses added, it is the cumulative effect of thousands of of deliberate discriminatory laws, designed by racists and bigots against "these folks" that suppress votes.

paul71 · 20-11-2020 03:08AM

uncleoswald wrote: »

The "these folks" bit... yikes. Is your suggestion that black americans are eight times more likely to be unable to fill out applications than their white counterparts?

Yes a very revealing comment indeed.

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 03:16AM

paul71 wrote: »

They were not applications, they were registered voters struck off for no reason, massive voter suppression which would not be tolerated anywhere except in the armed police state that is the US.

It is to the immense credit of Stacey Abrams the candidate who lost in that election due to the criminal and immoral suppression of the Republican governor of Georgia that she has since then in 1 year organised the registration of 800,000 voters in Georgia and helped restore a semblance of democracy in that state.

I edited my post as I'd incorrectly read the Stats.

It says applications in your link Sir. Yes that Georgia case appears rather strange. If she did as she claims perhaps that's why Georgia has, recount pending, gone blue this time round?

V8 Interceptor · 20-11-2020 03:23AM

uncleoswald wrote: »

Is your suggestion that black americans are eight times more likely to be unable to fill out applications than their white counterparts?

I asked the question so I was kinda hoping for an answer.

paul71 wrote: »

University IDs removed from the list of documents accepted as IDs and Gun licenses added, it is the cumulative effect of thousands of of deliberate discriminatory laws, designed by racists and bigots against "these folks" that suppress votes.

Thank you.

Gun licences added and Uni ID's deleted sounds strange. Just curious though, are minorities more likely to go to Uni than whites?

uncleoswald wrote: »

The "these folks" bit... yikes.

paul71 wrote: »

Yes a very revealing comment indeed.

paul71 wrote: »

"these folks"

Sorry lads you'll have to explain that one.

paul71 · 20-11-2020 03:38AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

I edited my post as I'd incorrectly read the Stats.

It says applications in your link Sir. Yes that Georgia case appears rather strange. If she did as she claims perhaps that's why Georgia has, recount pending, gone blue this time round?

Read it again, they were registrations not applications. The Governor required everyone in black majority areas ONLY to re-register for no reason. Most people were not made aware that they had to re-register.

Most of the 750,000 struck off did not even know they had been.

It was a deliberate racist voter suppression policy and 1 example of thousands across the US including the one in Texas removing university id as an accepted document while adding gun licences, the closing of polling stations in native American reservation areas and thousands of other laws in other states.

New Hampshire a State with high student population blocking out of state driving licenses, deliberately at students because many them are from other states.

Across the country, one in 13 Black Americans cannot vote due to disenfranchisement laws.

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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