What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

adrian522 · 19-11-2020 04:18PM

Springbank one is the most interesting one of those, I thought I saw an upcoming Glengoyne tasting too which looked good. I have a tasting tonight and tomorrow though so holding off on any more for the time being.

adrian522 · 19-11-2020 04:22PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

Show me something official from Tipperary that I've said is made up, please.
I questioned whether all of the barley in that whiskey came from their farm. I never suggested none of it did. I'm happy to believe that all the barley came from their farm - I just haven't seen that claim made.

I'm still suggesting that their distiller didn't distil this whiskey.
Nothing I've seen from them suggests otherwise, and this would be the norm.
It's completely normal practice to specify what kind of liquid you want from a distillery - you don't call up a big distillery and just ask for some whiskey. Producing to your client's parameters is how it usually happens unless you are choosing from existing, aged stock.

I still don't get what you are accusing me of and why you want me to apologise to you.

This is the problem I have with Irish Whiskey in it's current state. There are too many distilleries that are not transparent about where their whiskey is coming from, who distilled it and what input they have actually had with the product.

Not really wanting to weigh in on this specific example but there seems to be dozens of "brands" or distilleries coming out with releases over the last few years and its not clear where they are getting their stock from,

I'm fine with buying in stock from other distilleries but at least be up front about it.

There is far too much secrecy about it seems like more an effort of marketing and hype then it is about making great whiskey.

There are obviously a few examples of distillers creating their own spirit but they are not the majority.

killbillvol2 · 19-11-2020 04:47PM

I've just looked at the Tipperary Distillery website. One whiskey seems to have water from the farm added. And there's a farm. There's no mention anywhere of an actual, physical distillery - does one even exist?

As these things go the level of smoke and mirrors is pretty heavy.

irish_goat · 19-11-2020 04:48PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Not really wanting to weigh in on this specific example but there seems to be dozens of "brands" or distilleries coming out with releases over the last few years and its not clear where they are getting their stock from.

I've made a bit of a decision to try and only buy from brands which are at least building (or have built) a distillery. Otherwise you are just paying for a middleman to do some marketing and branding.

the beer revolu · 19-11-2020 04:49PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I've just looked at the Tipperary Distillery website. One whiskey seems to have water from the farm added. And there's a farm. There's no mention anywhere of an actual, physical distillery - does one even exist?

As these things go the level of smoke and mirrors is pretty heavy.

They say that they have planning for a distillery.

odyssey06 · 19-11-2020 04:55PM

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I've just looked at the Tipperary Distillery website. One whiskey seems to have water from the farm added. And there's a farm. There's no mention anywhere of an actual, physical distillery - does one even exist?
As these things go the level of smoke and mirrors is pretty heavy.

According to this 4 pot stills were installed in May 2020... at one of the virtual tastings I attended for Tipperary, they said progress had been slower than expected due to covid restrictions. I'm sure at the tasting I saw photos or videos of the stills on site but can't track down online.
https://irishwhiskeymagazine.com/listings/distilleries/tipperary-distillery/

killbillvol2 · 19-11-2020 04:57PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

They say that they have planning for a distillery.

The smell of BS from this crowd is strong I must say.

the beer revolu · 19-11-2020 04:57PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

According to this 4 pot stills were installed in May 2020... at one of the virtual tastings I attended for Tipperary, they said progress had been slower than expected due to covid restrictions.
https://irishwhiskeymagazine.com/listings/distilleries/tipperary-distillery/

I find it kinda strange that they would install stills and not put up pictures of them - I know I would.

On their website it just says that they have planning for a distillery.

AnBeagalltach · 19-11-2020 05:00PM

Can somebody put together a rough list of who produces their own? I was only thinking this in O’Briens last week about Knappogue and Writer’s Tears if anybody knows?

odyssey06 · 19-11-2020 05:02PM

the beer revolu wrote: »

I find it kinda strange that they would install stills and not put up pictures of them - I know I would.

On their website it just says that they have planning for a distillery.

Yes you would think at the very least it would be on their website News section ... I'm sure at the virtual tasting I saw photos or videos of the stills on site but can't track down online.

odyssey06 · 19-11-2020 05:06PM

Irish Whiskey Magazine just congratulated Tipperary on becoming the 37th operational distillery in Ireland ...

BeerNut · 19-11-2020 05:14PM

AnBeagalltach wrote: »

Can somebody put together a rough list of who produces their own?

The Irish Distillers Association (not affiliated with Irish Distillers/Pernod Ricard) is great for tracking what comes from where.

Here's their current list:
https://twitter.com/DistillersAssoc/status/1322972902883495938

Effects · 19-11-2020 06:02PM

Starlord_01 wrote: »

Apologies, that meant I was happy with the recommendation

Ah oh, that makes sense now when I read your message back!
I thought you were being very picking on a somewhat limited budget.

I had a few bottles of Lambay when it was released and really liked it.

AnBeagalltach · 19-11-2020 06:10PM

BeerNut wrote: »

The Irish Distillers Association (not affiliated with Irish Distillers/Pernod Ricard) is great for tracking what comes from where.

Here's their current list:
https://twitter.com/DistillersAssoc/status/1322972902883495938

This is great thanks.

At least some of them listed as red currently ie Powerscourt,Slane etc are actually building their own stills and as another poster mentioned you would cut them some slack as their intention is to move in to production.

Mickiemcfist · 19-11-2020 06:11PM

irish_goat wrote: »

I've made a bit of a decision to try and only buy from brands which are at least building (or have built) a distillery. Otherwise you are just paying for a middleman to do some marketing and branding.

I get what you're saying but that sort of goes against the "spirit" of helping out smaller Irish businesses. I'm sure 90% of new whiskey brands out there would start distilling straight off the bat if they had the capital, but if you have finite cash it makes sense to start with brand first, then distill once a bank or investor has seen the concept proven.

BeerNut · 19-11-2020 06:28PM

AnBeagalltach wrote: »

This is great thanks.

At least some of them listed as red currently ie Powerscourt,Slane etc are actually building their own stills and as another poster mentioned you would cut them some slack as their intention is to move in to production.

I appreciate it's slightly different to what you asked. Their approach is: if you pick up a bottle of this brand in a shop today, where did the contents come from?

irish_goat · 19-11-2020 06:42PM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

I get what you're saying but that sort of goes against the "spirit" of helping out smaller Irish businesses. I'm sure 90% of new whiskey brands out there would start distilling straight off the bat if they had the capital, but if you have finite cash it makes sense to start with brand first, then distill once a bank or investor has seen the concept proven.

Some have no intention of opening up though.

Cazale · 19-11-2020 06:43PM

BeerNut wrote:

The Irish Distillers Association (not affiliated with Irish Distillers/Pernod Ricard) is great for tracking what comes from where.

What that list does show is that Cooley could have been competing with Midleton with all that stock they had.

Ivefoundgod · 19-11-2020 06:53PM

I see Walshs down on that list as Cooley/Midleton. Is that still right? Thought they were starting to produce their own stuff now at Royal Oak?

Cazale · 19-11-2020 06:56PM

Ivefoundgod wrote:

I see Walshs down on that list as Cooley/Midleton. Is that still right? Thought they were starting to produce their own stuff now at Royal Oak?

Didn't they have a split/disagreement with the owners of Royal Oak and go on their own again.

Effects · 19-11-2020 07:36PM

Yeah, they split from the owners Royal Oak late 2018/early 2019 I think. They kept the brands and the distillery went with the Italians.
I'd heard it was about the distillery wanted to churn out whiskey as fast as they could and sell it off at the minimum three years old.

On that list it says Liberties Distillery as sourcing from Cooley. I was told by themselves that it was sourced from Bushmills.

Effects · 19-11-2020 08:03PM

In the recent youtube video with Irish Whiskey Magazine, it's mentioned that Tipperary have four stills. On their instagram, they said last year they were due to have distillate coming off their stills in a few days.
Still odd that they don't seem to have any images of the stills yet.

Indestructable · 19-11-2020 08:10PM

Does anyone subscribe to Irish Whiskey Magazine? Is it worth it? Thinking of getting it as a present

BonnieSituation · 19-11-2020 09:42PM

Dingle are the prime example of that

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That said, I would like to try the likes of Buffalo Trace White Dog and their ilk and would be interesting to see a quality Irish version in the vein of Distiller's Safe.

janiejones · 19-11-2020 10:01PM

Love the dingle gin. Definitely top 3. Didn't know until tonight the botanist was bruichladdich until tonight. Imagine there's more scottish distilleries doing gin but I hadn't looked into it. Hendricks and martin miller round out my top 3

BonnieSituation · 19-11-2020 10:06PM

DaveyWaveyLad wrote: »

Tried many links on Facebook but I couldn't get the discount. Finally found this and signed up here https://flaviar.com/lounge7

Signed up to this yesterday.

My mate only recently cancelled his. It teeters on the brink of "okay value" at full price, but I can't commit to 89euro a quarter at present.

At 44euro it seems worth the tilt. Now to decide what to get... Thinking Bowmore 12 or Cardhu 12...

And it seems the choice changes daily. Dammit.

I guess I'll wait.

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Today's choices for example:
JAMESON Caskmates Stout Edition
THE IRISHMAN Single Malt
EL ESPOLON Tequila Blanco
STARWARD Nova Single Malt
BUSHMILLS 10 Year Old
CONNEMARA Peated
ATLANTIC GALICIAN SPIRITS Nordés Atlantic Galician Gin
CANTARELLE Gin De Provence
MR BLACK Cold Brew Coffee Liqueur
WRITERS TEARS Copper Pot
MATUSALEM 15 Gran Reserva Solera Rum.
LOUIS ROYER VSOP Cognac
TULLIBARDINE 500 Sherry Cask Finish
SIPSMITH London Dry Gin
LE PERTUIS Pure Malt Whisky
AVIATION Gin
GOLD OF MAURITIUS Dark Rum

irish_goat · 19-11-2020 10:17PM

I had those choices yesterday. Went for the Tullibardine as I've a bottle of their Sauternes Cask which I quite like. I think its OK value just. Will wait and see how much I enjoy the sample bottles.

BonnieSituation · 19-11-2020 10:17PM

janiejones wrote: »

Love the dingle gin. Definitely top 3. Didn't know until tonight the botanist was bruichladdich until tonight. Imagine there's more scottish distilleries doing gin but I hadn't looked into it. Hendricks and martin miller round out my top 3

Wait til you get your hands on Method and Madness or Whitby Gin. Glorious stuff.

Have to love the missus' insatiable appetite for the stuff.

janiejones · 19-11-2020 10:30PM

We've tried the method and madness. Great stuff but dingle beats it. Whitby goes on the list. Cheers

Mellor · 20-11-2020 01:17AM

Choc Chip wrote: »

i don't know why they would say that they did distil it, and not do it if they have a distiller on their team.

I think it is quite obvious why they would do it.
Also, I'd imagine more than a single distiller (however knowledgeable) is require to run a distillery.
Having a token team member on premise is irrelevant for me.

Stuart199 wrote: »

So are you suggesting that they made this up, that it is all a pack of lies - what an accusation.
Fact 1 - The barley was grown on the farm in Tipperary
Fact 2 - They negotiated conditions with the distiller that they could produce the distillate to their own parameters.

Just waiting for the apology now.

Hi Stuart,

The fact that Tipperary negotiated with the distiller confirms, that Tipperary were not the distiller. Therefore it was 3rd party produced as suggested. (which was never in doubt at there is no distillery at Ballindoney). The only question is where that distillery was.

Now, very interested in your thoughts on the price point? I'm sure you can appreciate that this is a extreme outlier among 4 year olds.

What Whisky/Whiskey are we drinking this month?

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