Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

That would be kind of the point...

They would just stay at 5

Renjit wrote: »

Gardaí investigate alleged abuse of Luas passengers by group not wearing masks

Looks like tin foile hatters harassing sheeples

Why is this on the news? Fairly standard behaviour on the red line

Intersting point but they would never be able to sell that one

Level 3 is restrictive enough especially in relation to travel

They need retail open for December

Surely its soon to be game over for this virus. Vaccines all but confirmed

Europe today as bleak as it was yesterday. But in the United States deaths are really climbing now.

2,000 so far yesterday.

Up from 1,658 on Tuesday.

Hospitals are under serious pressure.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/nov/19/coronavirus-live-news-us-hospitals-stretched-to-limits-pfizer-seeks-vaccine-approval-in-days

States are rushing to implement new restrictions or lock down measures although certain republican governors still believe that Jesus is first port of call rather than science even on basic stuff like masks.

Eivor wrote: »

Define bleak?

Sure, well "bleak" is an adjective used in a variable way depending on the subject matter.

-bare, desolate, and often windswept:
a bleak plain.
-cold and piercing; raw:
a bleak wind.
-without hope or encouragement; depressing; dreary:
a bleak future.

Hope that helps.

Eivor wrote: »

Very helpful, thank you!

No problem! :cool:

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Infografik_Antigentest_PDF.pdf;jsessionid=A1D785311330BF507400D8E08B1E5F5C.internet101?__blob=publicationFile
German report on the effectiveness of antigen tests from Robert Koch Institute who inform the German Government and on which German policy is based.

If mass testing is done using Antigen then when testing a group of 10,000 people en-masse with 5 people infected in that group of 10,000 then 1 person will slip through and 4 caught. 200 will test false-positive and need to go for PCR test.

mass testing rather than focused tested is what is required to allow people travel home for Christmas.

NPHET don't want even one person slipping in so 9999 people must not book a flight to travel home and see their families this Christmas.

In the real world Slovakia engaged in mass testing, the idea behind it was catch all positives so those who test negative could go on with life. They only picked up 0.6% and still have woeful case numbers +1200 and even tho the numbers are coming down it’s more to do with the lockdown they implemented than actually isolating the infectious.

Antigen tests will work if you repeatedly take them everyday, but they don’t replace social distancing and personnel restrictions or testing in one off situations.

Martina1991 wrote: »

The whole problem with these antigen tests are all the positive cases they miss. You have to have a significant viral load present to get a positive result.

The disparity between symptomatic, pre-symptomatic and asymptotic seems to influence Antigen tests... I’m not saying antigen tests are bad just I think it’s these issues that are holding up the regulators.

Arghus wrote: »

We still have many months to go through yet before we can expect widespread vaccination, or at least enough to drastically change the situation.

It's very encouraging that there's been positive news on potential treatments - it's a step in the right direction and we'll get there in time - but there are many hurdles yet.

Things are not going to fundamentally change over the Winter. In the short to medium term the outlook for many countries still does look, for want of a more appropriate word, bleak.

My point is that that poster cherry picked the negative from the article.

Arghus wrote: »

Well, that is Kermit's style and while he mightn't actively accentuate the positive, oh, just about ever - there isn't much that he posts that isn't factually correct.

Calling the situation in Europe “bleak” is not factually correct. It’s personal opinion.

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah but 80% of the positives are detected when they otherwise wouldn’t be.

In a perfect world, which none of us live in.

80% of those who would test positive under optimum conditions, you could repeatedly test someone who is infected 10 times and that person could test negative 10 times but then next day repeat the same exercise and 8 of the 10 test positive. It’s still 80% accurate but it depends on day and the patient.

PCR can be like this too, but luckily it’s so sensitive that if you take maybe 3 swabs at least one will show at least a very weak positive early on in the infection...it’s all patient dependent as well.

appledrop wrote: »

Your spot on. It will be 10 weeks since we could go to local restaurant or leave Dublin by Dec.

Might not seem like a big deal but people have had enough.

Level 3 is useless of its one we have had in Dublin.

Let's just open things up, put in safety measures + get on with it.

Sure if the schools are such safe places + we can seat within 1 m why is a restaurant or hotel any different?

I agree to a point. Get on with it until such a time as the cases profile looks to be reaching a point where agin the virus is getting into the elderly sectors of society or increasing load on limited hospital reaources.

My current feeling is nphet will want no change to the levels on Dec 1st but given the disquiet from government they'll push for some form of easing. Possibly only opening of retail, hairdressing though. Also ditching the 5km rule for stay within county and maybe 1 other houshold allowed visit. Dont think we'll get dining or pubs with the initial reopening. Not sure what level they would all technically fall into.
Then we might see some sort of relaxation again around the 14th or over the festive period itself.