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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #5672
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    mloc123 wrote: »
    NPHET are hoping we can limp along as we are at the moment... with cycle of slight easing followed by further restrictions until they get a vaccine... IMO they are not genuinely looking at any other options.

    They are banking on a vaccine roll out in the next 3-4 months, if that looks unlikely... maybe they will consider other options.

    Anyone that thinks they will come out with any fresh or revolutionary options apart from this is living in dream land. The best thing you can do is just accept this is it for the next 3 months at least.

    I've had my suspicions about their motives but if this is their plan all along it begs the question. Given that schools and so many businesses are open, was the 100 daily figure every achievable and did they know this? Did they sell us a pup by promising a more relaxed Christmas while knowing it was a pipe dream. If they had their way they would be happy to keep the status quo until next summer when vaccines might be more readily available.


  • #5673
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    All you need is a bodhran and a tin whistle :)

    Ears would be bleeding, they’d think it is a new covid symptom :)


  • #5674
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    I suspect they knew it was unachievable alright

    Too much would need to go right


  • #5675
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    The lowest point of the NPHET blame game on rising virus figures has to be the blaming of the dead and their funerals.

    I really wonder what sort of people we have as doctors in Ireland.

    I'm sorry but that is just wrong

    A study in the US identified church attendance as one of the top 7 risk factors

    I fell out with my mother who is a daily mass goer and refused to give it up until it was restricted on the basis that they were socially distanced in church

    "Do you chat to your friends afterwards says I

    But of course she says


  • #5676
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,217 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    The lowest point of the NPHET blame game on rising virus figures has to be the blaming of the dead and their funerals.

    I really wonder what sort of people we have as doctors in Ireland.

    They are right.


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  • #5677
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Ok. So the real experts in ECDC recommend but Tony says no. Was he born up north?
    The ECDC posted recommendations for their use, IF they are used. They didn't say countries should use these tests here there and everywhere. Tests should always be performed at the right time, on the right people for the right reasons.

    There are also a plethora of rapid tests on the market. They are not all going to be reliable. They're selling a product.

    Countries who are belting ahead with all these different tests likely do not consult experts in the field of medical science or laboratory science. Look at the UK who spend millions on antibody tests months ago and didn't use them. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/world/europe/coronavirus-antibody-test-uk.amp.html

    Slovakia spend millions trying to test their entire population at the start of November. They currently still have over 1,000 cases a day.

    NPHET has an integral member on their team in Dr. Cillian De Gascun. He knows how tests work, what is needed and if they are good enough.
    Ireland wont and shouldn't rush into spending more money we don't have on a strategy that wont work. Ireland will implement rapid tests when the time is right, in the right settings, and not because everyone else is doing it.


  • #5678
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'm sorry but that is just wrong

    A study in the US identified church attendance as one of the top 7 risk factors

    I fell out with my mother who is a daily mass goer and refused to give it up until it was restricted on the basis that they were socially distanced in church

    "Do you chat to your friends afterwards says I

    But of course she says

    I believe the CMO attributed the clusters to wakes and other gatherings associated with funerals rather than the services themselves.


  • #5679
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    The lowest point of the NPHET blame game on rising virus figures has to be the blaming of the dead and their funerals.

    I really wonder what sort of people we have as doctors in Ireland.
    Unfortunately there is little doubt but that funerals and wakes have led to significant clusters. Even with current limited ceremonies, they still are.

    When there is a sudden surge in a particular townland or area and public health have traced back for exposures, sometimes the only common place confirmed patients have been is to a funeral or a wake. In some situations, people with confirmed Covid have not been anywhere else at all, not even a supermarket or petrol station.

    If there is a cluster in an area and the only common exposure in the previous few days is a wake or funeral, it is hard to ignore that as sad as it is to have to add the likelihood of a link of an outbreak to the trauma of losing a loved one.

    Funerals and wakes are culturally very much part of our grieving process in Ireland and to wrench that process from people is really awful but that does not mean that it should not be acknowledged that they play a part in transmission of an infectious disease.


  • #5680
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sounds like it'll be people told this is on you after 1st Dec
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1329165888734556162?s=19


  • #5681
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,109 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    They are right.

    They are right to blame the dead?

    :rolleyes:


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  • #5682
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,585 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If it's rapid the people want it regardless if it's of any use or not.
    Same as they want big houses and big cars and not have a penny left for a rainy day.
    Just give it to me now!


  • #5683
    Mike3549
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    They are right to blame the dead?

    :rolleyes:

    But they dont, they blame people attending funerals. Limit is 25 people, but theres more than 100 people attending, hugging each other and meeting at home after the funeral.


  • #5684
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,109 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Mike3549 wrote: »
    But they dont, they blame people attending funerals. Limit is 25 people, but theres more than 100 people attending, hugging each other and meeting at home after the funeral.

    Kermit said they are right to blame the dead.


  • #5685
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Have our friends in NPHET a view on mass antigen testing?

    Antigen testing is useful in certain applications but mass testing didn’t save Slovakia, it just cements a false sense of security.


  • #5686
    Mike3549
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Kermit said they are right to blame the dead.

    Or funerals?


  • #5687
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Kermit said they are right to blame the dead.

    I just call him K because he has no remit.


  • #5688
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sounds like it'll be people told this is on you after 1st Dec
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1329165888734556162?s=19

    That seems fair enough to me


  • #5689
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sounds like it'll be people told this is on you after 1st Dec
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1329165888734556162?s=19

    That'll end well.


  • #5690
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    A little humour...

    http://irelandoncraic.com/drinking-at-home/


  • #5691
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,109 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Mike3549 wrote: »
    Or funerals?

    He blamed both.


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  • #5692
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    They are right to blame the dead?

    :rolleyes:

    Which they didn't do. They blamed the behaviour at funerals and wakes. I've seen it locally - people still calling to the wake house, more than 25 going in to the church and neighbours gathering without masks or social distancing outside the church and along the funeral route.


  • #5693
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sounds like it'll be people told this is on you after 1st Dec
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1329165888734556162?s=19


    I'd be happy with that.

    I can't control what others do but, I know I have done everything asked and expected of me, as have my family and all of my close friends and we will continue to do so. What other people do, I can't control so, that's up to them


  • #5694
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    A little humour...

    http://irelandoncraic.com/drinking-at-home/

    honestly would not surprise me in the least


  • #5695
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Kermit said they are right to blame the dead.
    growleaves wrote: »
    I just call him K because he has no remit.
    Zebra3 wrote: »
    He blamed both.

    Mod -

    Play the ball, not the man


  • #5696
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    A little humour...

    http://irelandoncraic.com/drinking-at-home/

    I can actually see them trying to do that.


  • #5697
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Reading a bit about the Canary Islands.

    Things petty bad in Tenerife, they alone remain at the highest level of restrictions in the Islands but what I found interesting was the level of details issued re clusters-

    Sanidad (Canarias) has provided a bit more detail today of “outbreaks”, deemed to be more than three connected cases, with 46 new brotes in the islands comprising 271 infected, and 28 old brotes being monitored. By islands, Tenerife has 29 new brotes, Gran Canaria 11, Fuerteventura three, Lanzarote two, and La Palma one.

    Sanidad says that 21 of these brotes have a social origin (friend groups, etc), 10 a family origin, nine workplace, three education and three health faculties. The majority of the social and workplace brotes have family ramifications. The majority of the brotes comprise fewer than ten cases apart from one in Gran Canaria that is affecting 20 after a party in a bar. The next two most numerous are in Tenerife of workplace origin with family ramifications: they comprise 18 and 13 cases. The fourth next populous brote with more than ten is in Fuerteventura with 12 affected through workplace infection but again with family ramifications – these are people who are infected at work and take it home to their family. In addition there are two brotes in Gran Canaria associated with social get-togethers, one with 5 infected through a Halloween party and another with 3 infected at a wedding.

    Two brotes are in hospitals: one in Candelaria affecting 7 personnel and 3 family members, and the other in Gran Canaria’s Hospital Dr. Negrín which affects 5 personnel and two family members. No patients have been infected in these brotes. Another outbreak is ongoing in a residential facility in Ifara (Santa Cruz area) where 24 have been affected, of whom 18 were residents and six personnel: two have needed to be admitted to hospital where sadly one of them died.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #5698
    Westernworld.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭Westernworld.


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Reading a bit about the Canary Islands.

    Things petty bad in Tenerife, they alone remain at the highest level of restrictions in the Islands but what I found interesting was the level of details issued re clusters-

    Sanidad (Canarias) has provided a bit more detail today of “outbreaks”, deemed to be more than three connected cases, with 46 new brotes in the islands comprising 271 infected, and 28 old brotes being monitored. By islands, Tenerife has 29 new brotes, Gran Canaria 11, Fuerteventura three, Lanzarote two, and La Palma one.

    Sanidad says that 21 of these brotes have a social origin (friend groups, etc), 10 a family origin, nine workplace, three education and three health faculties. The majority of the social and workplace brotes have family ramifications. The majority of the brotes comprise fewer than ten cases apart from one in Gran Canaria that is affecting 20 after a party in a bar. The next two most numerous are in Tenerife of workplace origin with family ramifications: they comprise 18 and 13 cases. The fourth next populous brote with more than ten is in Fuerteventura with 12 affected through workplace infection but again with family ramifications – these are people who are infected at work and take it home to their family. In addition there are two brotes in Gran Canaria associated with social get-togethers, one with 5 infected through a Halloween party and another with 3 infected at a wedding.

    Two brotes are in hospitals: one in Candelaria affecting 7 personnel and 3 family members, and the other in Gran Canaria’s Hospital Dr. Negrín which affects 5 personnel and two family members. No patients have been infected in these brotes. Another outbreak is ongoing in a residential facility in Ifara (Santa Cruz area) where 24 have been affected, of whom 18 were residents and six personnel: two have needed to be admitted to hospital where sadly one of them died.

    It's mutating over and back between the canaries and humans


  • #5699
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Westernworld. wrote: »
    It's mutating over and back between the canaries and humans

    Did you know that the Canary Islands have nothing to do with the birds? They were named after the dogs that were found there, Canines or canids :)

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #5700
    Westernworld.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭Westernworld.


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Did you know that the Canary Islands have nothing to do with the birds? They were named after the dogs that were found there, Canines or canids :)

    I know now


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  • #5701
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Lower positivity rate than Ireland but taking appropriate action.


    https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1329173037657231360


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