Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 18-11-2020 07:21PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

RTE report mentions clusters, cases, everywhere there are gatherings except for schools.

Can anyone explain to me how these are still 'covid free'?

You mean the RTE with this report today on cases in schools?
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1118/1178987-school-clusters/

Russman · 18-11-2020 07:21PM

quartz1 wrote: »

Seems like one could be forgiven for suspecting that the schools especially secondaries have to be contributing to increased numbers . I appreciate it's desirable for schools to remain open but if NPHET are seen to be ignoring the science on this it will have a knock on effect on Public Trust.

Could it be the secondary school kids mixing and mingling with their friends outside of school hours, rather than schools per se ?
I know friends of mine and their teenage kids are out and about with their various groups of friends for a few hours every day after school. I know kids will be kids etc., I'm not suggesting we lock them up or anything, but there has to be some factor in the numbers that's driving the increase.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 18-11-2020 07:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Need numbers tested along with that, positivity rate is what I'm looking for.

You can get the daily swabs tested and the positivity rate here

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 07:22PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

Your recollection of the First 'lockdown. Differs from mine. Schools are far from the only difference this time. But, you want schools to be the issue and can't se beyond that.

I don't want schools or anything else to be an issue. I'd love if this thing was gone. I'd love to get back to where we were in July where families could visit each other.

I think we need to do what's necessary to get there.

giveitholly · 18-11-2020 07:23PM

Anyone comparing this lockdown to the lockdown in March/April hasn't a clue,this lockdown is level 5 in name only,I never seen the roads as busy when coming home from work around 6ish, The children are hardly still coming home from school at that time

giveitholly · 18-11-2020 07:24PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want schools or anything else to be an issue. I'd love if this thing was gone. I'd love to get back to where we were in July where families could visit each other.

I think we need to do what's necessary to get there.

People are visiting their families,A lot of people I know are ignoring the restrictions

Gael23 · 18-11-2020 07:25PM

giveitholly wrote: »

People are visiting their families,A lot of people I know are ignoring the restrictions

I haven’t seen my grandparents since the nationwide level 3 was introduced

mloc123 · 18-11-2020 07:25PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Anyone comparing this lockdown to the lockdown in March/April hasn't a clue,this lockdown is level 5 in name only,I never seen the roads as busy when coming home from work around 6ish, The children are hardly still coming home from school at that time

The example I use is... in March I brought my 4 year old out cycling on the main roads here, not a chance I would do it these days. The only times I have ever seen so little traffic was back during the 2018 snow.

screamer · 18-11-2020 07:26PM

mloc123 wrote: »

I do not agree... construction was shut, all offices were shut, people adhered to the travel restrictions, all shops apart from grocery were closed, people were not fatigued from 7 months of Covid etc... You cannot say the only difference between April and now is that the schools are open... that is just not true.

no, there are other differences, main one being we had lovely warm weather, now were going into flu season weather. Construction does not contribute significantly to covid spread, they are outfoors mainly and PPEd and regulated to the hilt. i will agree a lot more in offices now, but you cant dismiss schools as a transmission area.

froog · 18-11-2020 07:26PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1329122147118292994

does that dip and rise have any correlation to the mid term break i wonder?

Widdensushi · 18-11-2020 07:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Need numbers tested along with that, positivity rate is what I'm looking for.

Google it yourself, while positivity rate is a vital indicator, case numbers is the primary statistic, it's obvious from those that level 3 was bringing the numbers down, level 5 seems to have little effect compared to 3.

mloc123 · 18-11-2020 07:29PM

screamer wrote: »

no, there are other differences, main one being we had lovely warm weather, now were going into flu season weather. Construction does not contribute significantly to covid spread, they are outfoors mainly and PPEd and regulated to the hilt. i will agree a lot more in offices now, but you cant dismiss schools as a transmission area.

I am not saying any of those things do, or do not contribute... but I am pointing out that the current "lockdown" is not the same as April.

Ficheall · 18-11-2020 07:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Need numbers tested along with that, positivity rate is what I'm looking for.

Oct 22 is -26

caveat emptor · 18-11-2020 07:30PM

All age cohorts decreasing on a weekly basis (up to last Saturday). The 15 - 19 age group decreased the least week on week. Not playing blame game. Good to see a significant drop in the oldest age group.

Plumbthedepths · 18-11-2020 07:31PM

I find it hilarious the constant call for the schools to be closed here, thankfully in the real world the decision makers and parents are far more sensible.

Peter Flynt · 18-11-2020 07:34PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I find it hilarious the constant call for the schools to be closed here, thankfully in the real world the decision makers and parents are far more sensible.

Is that the "real world" where most are working from home?

giveitholly · 18-11-2020 07:34PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I haven’t seen my grandparents since the nationwide level 3 was introduced

I'll give you an example,last saturday I met two people who are in their 70's who were going to two different households to watch the Tipp-Cork hurling game because they didn't have Sky. I was surprised with one fella because his wife has serious underlying conditions and he took the first lockdown so seriously. Even during the summer when cases were low he was very diligent

Wombatman · 18-11-2020 07:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If mostly in the houses, how many with school children in them?

Yeah. Exactly.

Saw this article to day.

"Consistent evidence of Covid-19 clusters in households - HIQA"
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1118/1178898-covid-ireland/

Is the virus materializing out of thin air in households or something?

..........or might someone from the household be leaving every morning, spending hours with hundreds of people from other households, at close quarters, and then returning again in the evening to the bosom of the family.

Ohmeha · 18-11-2020 07:35PM

National deaths and new case numbers since the introduction of Level 5 on October 22nd

Numbers now indicating reduction of new cases has stalled pointing to R 1.0, Level 5 has failed in its objective to get cases to a sustainable amount for Level 3 in December and the Christmas period. Warfare between the government and NPHET coming up soon

Day Month Date Deaths Weekly 7 Day Av ROI Weekly 5 Day Av 5 Day % 7 Day Av 7 Day % 14 Day Av 14 Day %
Thursday October 22nd 3 33 4.71 1,066 8,092 1,163.20 7.96% 1,156.00 26.85% 1,033.64 135.61%
Friday October 23rd 7 37 5.29 777 7,869 1,062.00 -9.37% 1,124.14 16.37% 1,045.07 127.44%
Saturday October 24th 4 33 4.71 859 7,452 1,027.60 -11.34% 1,064.57 6.06% 1,034.14 101.17%
Sunday October 25th 0 30 4.29 1,025 7,194 978.80 -16.47% 1,027.71 -4.02% 1,049.21 93.76%
Monday October 26th 3 33 4.71 939 7,102 933.20 -22.57% 1,014.57 -7.78% 1,057.36 84.67%
Tuesday October 27th 5 25 3.57 720 6,553 864.00 -25.72% 936.14 -19.68% 1,050.86 73.82%
Wednesday October 28th 6 28 4.00 675 6,061 843.60 -20.56% 865.86 -26.36% 1,020.86 56.54%
Thursday October 29th 6 31 4.43 866 5,861 845.00 -17.77% 837.29 -27.57% 996.64 41.04%
Friday October 30th 6 30 4.29 772 5,856 794.40 -18.84% 836.57 -25.58% 980.36 31.68%
Saturday October 31st 5 31 4.43 416 5,413 689.80 -26.08% 773.29 -27.36% 918.93 16.05%
Sunday November 1st 2 33 4.71 552 4,940 656.20 -24.05% 705.71 -31.33% 866.71 1.07%
Monday November 2nd 2 32 4.57 767 4,768 674.60 -20.03% 681.14 -32.86% 847.86 -5.18%
Tuesday November 3rd 5 32 4.57 322 4,370 565.80 -33.04% 624.29 -33.31% 780.21 -18.21%
Wednesday November 4th 8 34 4.86 444 4,139 500.20 -37.03% 591.29 -31.71% 728.57 -26.68%
Thursday November 5th 3 31 4.43 591 3,864 535.20 -22.41% 552.00 -34.07% 694.64 -32.80%
Friday November 6th 8 33 4.71 499 3,591 524.60 -20.05% 513.00 -38.68% 674.79 -35.43%
Saturday November 7th 5 33 4.71 355 3,530 442.20 -34.45% 504.29 -34.79% 638.79 -38.23%
Sunday November 8th 2 33 4.71 542 3,520 486.20 -14.07% 502.86 -28.74% 604.29 -42.41%
Monday November 9th 1 32 4.57 270 3,023 451.40 -9.76% 431.86 -36.60% 556.50 -47.37%
Tuesday November 10th 16 43 6.14 270 2,971 387.20 -27.65% 424.43 -32.01% 524.36 -50.10%
Wednesday November 11th 2 37 5.29 362 2,889 359.80 -31.41% 412.71 -30.20% 502.00 -50.83%
Thursday November 12th 1 35 5.00 395 2,693 367.80 -16.82% 384.71 -30.31% 468.36 -53.01%
Friday November 13th 7 34 4.86 482 2,676 355.80 -26.82% 382.29 -25.48% 447.64 -54.34%
Saturday November 14th 6 35 5.00 456 2,777 393.00 -12.94% 396.71 -21.33% 450.50 -50.98%
Sunday November 15th 1 34 4.86 378 2,613 414.60 7.08% 373.29 -25.77% 438.07 -49.46%
Monday November 16th 5 38 5.43 456 2,799 433.40 20.46% 399.86 -7.41% 415.86 -50.95%
Tuesday November 17th 11 33 4.71 366 2,895 427.60 16.26% 413.57 -2.56% 419.00 -46.30%
Wednesday November 18th 12 43 6.14 379 2,912 407.00 14.39% 416.00 0.80% 414.36 -43.13%

Widdensushi · 18-11-2020 07:38PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

National deaths and new case numbers since the introduction of Level 5 on October 22nd

Numbers now indicating reduction of new cases has stalled pointing to R 1.0, Level 5 has failed in its objective to get cases to a sustainable amount for Level 3 in December and the Christmas period. Warfare between the government and NPHET coming up soon

Day Month Date Deaths Weekly 7 Day Av ROI Weekly 5 Day Av 5 Day % 7 Day Av 7 Day % 14 Day Av 14 Day %
Thursday October 22nd 3 33 4.71 1,066 8,092 1,163.20 7.96% 1,156.00 26.85% 1,033.64 135.61%
Friday October 23rd 7 37 5.29 777 7,869 1,062.00 -9.37% 1,124.14 16.37% 1,045.07 127.44%
Saturday October 24th 4 33 4.71 859 7,452 1,027.60 -11.34% 1,064.57 6.06% 1,034.14 101.17%
Sunday October 25th 0 30 4.29 1,025 7,194 978.80 -16.47% 1,027.71 -4.02% 1,049.21 93.76%
Monday October 26th 3 33 4.71 939 7,102 933.20 -22.57% 1,014.57 -7.78% 1,057.36 84.67%
Tuesday October 27th 5 25 3.57 720 6,553 864.00 -25.72% 936.14 -19.68% 1,050.86 73.82%
Wednesday October 28th 6 28 4.00 675 6,061 843.60 -20.56% 865.86 -26.36% 1,020.86 56.54%
Thursday October 29th 6 31 4.43 866 5,861 845.00 -17.77% 837.29 -27.57% 996.64 41.04%
Friday October 30th 6 30 4.29 772 5,856 794.40 -18.84% 836.57 -25.58% 980.36 31.68%
Saturday October 31st 5 31 4.43 416 5,413 689.80 -26.08% 773.29 -27.36% 918.93 16.05%
Sunday November 1st 2 33 4.71 552 4,940 656.20 -24.05% 705.71 -31.33% 866.71 1.07%
Monday November 2nd 2 32 4.57 767 4,768 674.60 -20.03% 681.14 -32.86% 847.86 -5.18%
Tuesday November 3rd 5 32 4.57 322 4,370 565.80 -33.04% 624.29 -33.31% 780.21 -18.21%
Wednesday November 4th 8 34 4.86 444 4,139 500.20 -37.03% 591.29 -31.71% 728.57 -26.68%
Thursday November 5th 3 31 4.43 591 3,864 535.20 -22.41% 552.00 -34.07% 694.64 -32.80%
Friday November 6th 8 33 4.71 499 3,591 524.60 -20.05% 513.00 -38.68% 674.79 -35.43%
Saturday November 7th 5 33 4.71 355 3,530 442.20 -34.45% 504.29 -34.79% 638.79 -38.23%
Sunday November 8th 2 33 4.71 542 3,520 486.20 -14.07% 502.86 -28.74% 604.29 -42.41%
Monday November 9th 1 32 4.57 270 3,023 451.40 -9.76% 431.86 -36.60% 556.50 -47.37%
Tuesday November 10th 16 43 6.14 270 2,971 387.20 -27.65% 424.43 -32.01% 524.36 -50.10%
Wednesday November 11th 2 37 5.29 362 2,889 359.80 -31.41% 412.71 -30.20% 502.00 -50.83%
Thursday November 12th 1 35 5.00 395 2,693 367.80 -16.82% 384.71 -30.31% 468.36 -53.01%
Friday November 13th 7 34 4.86 482 2,676 355.80 -26.82% 382.29 -25.48% 447.64 -54.34%
Saturday November 14th 6 35 5.00 456 2,777 393.00 -12.94% 396.71 -21.33% 450.50 -50.98%
Sunday November 15th 1 34 4.86 378 2,613 414.60 7.08% 373.29 -25.77% 438.07 -49.46%
Monday November 16th 5 38 5.43 456 2,799 433.40 20.46% 399.86 -7.41% 415.86 -50.95%
Tuesday November 17th 11 33 4.71 366 2,895 427.60 16.26% 413.57 -2.56% 419.00 -46.30%
Wednesday November 18th 12 43 6.14 379 2,912 407.00 14.39% 416.00 0.80% 414.36 -43.13%

Another 2 weeks to go, if the hospital clusters are snubbed out we might be back on track

spookwoman · 18-11-2020 07:39PM

New weekly Epi report.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%2046_HPSC_website.pdf

martingriff · 18-11-2020 07:40PM

screamer wrote: »

no, there are other differences, main one being we had lovely warm weather, now were going into flu season weather. Construction does not contribute significantly to covid spread, they are outfoors mainly and PPEd and regulated to the hilt. i will agree a lot more in offices now, but you cant dismiss schools as a transmission area.

Nobody are saying that just not have an agenda to say they are the only reason

martingriff · 18-11-2020 07:42PM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Is that the "real world" where most are working from home?

A whole lot less are working from home

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 07:43PM

giveitholly wrote:

People are visiting their families,A lot of people I know are ignoring the restrictions

Unfortunately I'm aware of this as I'm aware of my sister bringing her kids to my parents home.

giveitholly · 18-11-2020 07:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Unfortunately I'm aware of this as I'm aware of my sister bringing her kids to my parents home.

So do you not think this has as much to blame for the virus spreading as keeping schools opened

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 07:45PM

Widdensushi wrote:

Google it yourself, while positivity rate is a vital indicator, case numbers is the primary statistic, it's obvious from those that level 3 was bringing the numbers down, level 5 seems to have little effect compared to 3.

No positivity rate is the vital number. You could test 100 people and you'd have 7 cases, 1000 and have 70.

Peter Flynt · 18-11-2020 07:46PM

martingriff wrote: »

A whole lot less are working from home

I know.
Most of them are on Netflix.

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 07:46PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

I find it hilarious the constant call for the schools to be closed here, thankfully in the real world the decision makers and parents are far more sensible.

Usual trick from you insulting everyone who doesn't agree with you.

virginmediapls · 18-11-2020 07:46PM

giveitholly wrote: »

So do you not think this has as much to blame for the virus spreading as keeping schools opened

Obviously not. Families sporadically meeting up clearly don't have the same impact as hundreds of thousands of schoolkids meeting every single day, shifting, sharing fags, coughing on each other etc.

That should be basic enough.

KrustyUCC · 18-11-2020 07:47PM

1 death and 7 cases denotified today as well

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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