Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Eod100 · 18-11-2020 07:06PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It’s clear level 5 is not having the desired effect. Holohans inevitable calls for an extension won’t help matters

I think people are quick to forget there were over 1,000 cases a day 4 weeks ago.

lemonTrees · 18-11-2020 07:06PM

Absolutely no chance of pubs opening for Xmas. Would be very irresponsible with numbers of cases and deaths rising.

stephenjmcd · 18-11-2020 07:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

77 of 366 cases yesterday were healthcare workers - 21% for the second dary running.

Backed up by GP data & community referrals. Hopefully Limerick is under control with less cases today

Non solum non ambulabit · 18-11-2020 07:08PM

Gael23 wrote: »

It’s clear level 5 is not having the desired effect. Holohans inevitable calls for an extension won’t help matters

The healthcare outbreaks are really impacting us. Without them we'd be in very good shape.

Fann Linn · 18-11-2020 07:08PM

RTE report mentions clusters, cases, everywhere there are gatherings except for schools.

Can anyone explain to me how these are still 'covid free'?

Ficheall · 18-11-2020 07:08PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The only difference between then and now is that the schools were closed.

I think schools are something of a problem, though less of a problem than similar gatherings of adults might be, but it is simply not true to say schools are the only difference between the two lockdowns. The weather and, more importantly, people's adherence to restrictions, are quite different, for starters.

Non solum non ambulabit · 18-11-2020 07:09PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

RTE report mentions clusters, cases, everywhere there are gatherings except for schools.

Can anyone explain to me how these are still 'covid free'?

Schools are not Covid free. Who said that?

Widdensushi · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

Oct
14 1095
15 1205
16 1000
17 1276
18 1283
19 1031
20 1269
21 1166
22 1066. Level 5 measures
23 777
24 859
25 1025
26 939
27 720
28 675
29 866
30 772
31 416

In reply to eagle asking for case numbers

Wolf359f · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Sadly a lot deaths reported the last two days. 7 day average is 416 cases per day a slight increase on last week of 410.

Only yesterday they were worried the 5 day average had increased to 424.... It's down to 407 today, so I guess we'll throw out that measurement and stick to the 7 day (until that reduces and the 5 day increases again)

oceanman · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

pity the government didnt go to level 5 when they were told, instead they dilly dallied around for two weeks wasting time, that two weeks could have made all the difference...:mad:

martingriff · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I haven't read anything from this person's feed. I don't read much from people who are agenda driven on either side.

Thing is though I believe schools are a problem. It's just that the math doesn't add up.

We are here now plateaud in a level 5 lockdown. Last time we were in a strict lockdown the numbers dropped much more. The only difference between then and now is that the schools were closed.

Kids are mostly asymptomaic but are still carriers. We have studies from much renowned universities telling us that kids are big spreaders of the virus and I haven't heard anybody challenge the results of these studies. It appears they just ignore them and carry on with their own take on things.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

There is a bit more of a difference less working from home, there are more sectors like manufacture open. Also a lot more people not giving a f and not following the precautions properly. Also cases were going bad before schools came back. Also should we have a lower amount of cases to correspond with mid terms.

If we close schools what do we do with kids for those hours

Fann Linn · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Schools are not Covid free. Who said that?

No mention of them on the RTE report despite other large areas of pop being mentioned, ie community, households, funerals, etc.

Pete_Cavan · 18-11-2020 07:11PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Sadly a lot deaths reported the last two days. 7 day average is 416 cases per day a slight increase on last week of 410.

Last week's 7 day average is brought down by two 270 case days. Not sure why they were so low but they seem abnormally low given the numbers on the days either side, I'll have to check if number of tests were lower too those days.

Gael23 · 18-11-2020 07:12PM

Ficheall wrote: »

I think schools are something of a problem, though less of a problem than similar gatherings of adults might be, but it is simply not true to say schools are the only difference between the two lockdowns. The weather and, more importantly, people's adherence to restrictions, are quite different, for starters.

There’s a lot more things open. Some shops are open in an appointment basis and others are doing click and collect. There was nine of that last time.
Compliance is substantially less in general and rightly so

Jinglejangle69 · 18-11-2020 07:12PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

RTE report mentions clusters, cases, everywhere there are gatherings except for schools.

Can anyone explain to me how these are still 'covid free'?

I heard them saying earlier 10 clusters in school.

Think you have that accusation wrong.

mloc123 · 18-11-2020 07:12PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We are here now plateaud in a level 5 lockdown. Last time we were in a strict lockdown the numbers dropped much more. The only difference between then and now is that the schools were closed.

I do not agree... construction was shut, all offices were shut, people adhered to the travel restrictions, all shops apart from grocery were closed, people were not fatigued from 7 months of Covid etc... You cannot say the only difference between April and now is that the schools are open... that is just not true.

JPup · 18-11-2020 07:13PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I haven't read anything from this person's feed. I don't read much from people who are agenda driven on either side.

Thing is though I believe schools are a problem. It's just that the math doesn't add up.

We are here now plateaud in a level 5 lockdown. Last time we were in a strict lockdown the numbers dropped much more. The only difference between then and now is that the schools were closed.

Well that's completely untrue.

Compared to last March/April schools are open yes, but so are construction sites, manufacturing facilities, many medical procedures are happening now including stuff like routine dental cleaning. All kids sports were cancelled then but are running now etc. People were hardly leaving their homes in March except a few times a week to buy food.

If this is lockdown level 5 then last spring was level 10. There really is no comparison.

Russman · 18-11-2020 07:13PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Only yesterday they were worried the 5 day average had increased to 424.... It's down to 407 today, so I guess we'll throw out that measurement and stick to the 7 day (until that reduces and the 5 day increases again)

Just curious, why would they do this ?

Wolf359f · 18-11-2020 07:14PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

RTE report mentions clusters, cases, everywhere there are gatherings except for schools.

Can anyone explain to me how these are still 'covid free'?

Nobody says they are covid free etc... you know that.
Interestingly enough RTE now reporting the number of clusters in schools has reduced last week compared to the week before it.
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1118/1178987-school-clusters/

Loafing Oaf · 18-11-2020 07:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

7 day average has gone up. Not impressive with a fortnight to go until proposed lifting of restrictions.

And a week or so until the call has to be made on what comes next. Is that likely to be down to level 3 if we're still getting c400 new cases per day?

18-11-2020 07:14PM

If mostly in the houses, how many with school children in them?

Wolf359f · 18-11-2020 07:15PM

Russman wrote: »

Just curious, why would they do this ?

My guess, to highlight worrying trends.
I understand they don't want people letting their guard down so they will find the worst of all stat and use that.

Eod100 · 18-11-2020 07:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

There’s a lot more things open. Some shops are open in an appointment basis and others are doing click and collect. There was nine of that last time.
Compliance is substantially less in general and rightly so

Are you simultaneously critical that cases aren't low while welcome compliance being substantially less? Maybe that might in part explain it tbf

quartz1 · 18-11-2020 07:15PM

Seems like one could be forgiven for suspecting that the schools especially secondaries have to be contributing to increased numbers . I appreciate it's desirable for schools to remain open but if NPHET are seen to be ignoring the science on this it will have a knock on effect on Public Trust.

Jinglejangle69 · 18-11-2020 07:15PM

JPup wrote: »

Well that's completely untrue.

Compared to last March/April schools are open yes, but so are construction sites, manufacturing facilities, many medical procedures are happening now including stuff like routine dental cleaning. All kids sports were cancelled then but are running now etc. People were hardly leaving their homes in March except a few times a week to buy food.

If this is lockdown level 5 then last spring was level 10. There really is no comparison.

Yep ridiculous comparison.

The roads are jammed these days, back in March and April they were empty.

The first lockdown we will never see the likes of again.

Nobotty · 18-11-2020 07:15PM

A lot of people dying lately, what ages are they?
Are they very old people, pre existing conditions, on deaths door anyway people?
When and where were they diagnosed with covid,was it in hospital after they were in for something else serious?
I've lost the link to where this information is kept,can someone link to it please
If its all of the above,it really should be highlighted
Not to underplay deaths but to just be realistic

Jim_Hodge · 18-11-2020 07:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I haven't read anything from this person's feed. I don't read much from people who are agenda driven on either side.

Thing is though I believe schools are a problem. It's just that the math doesn't add up.

We are here now plateaud in a level 5 lockdown. Last time we were in a strict lockdown the numbers dropped much more. The only difference between then and now is that the schools were closed.

Kids are mostly asymptomaic but are still carriers. We have studies from much renowned universities telling us that kids are big spreaders of the virus and I haven't heard anybody challenge the results of these studies. It appears they just ignore them and carry on with their own take on things.

Your recollection of the First 'lockdown. Differs from mine. Schools are far from the only difference this time. But, you want schools to be the issue and can't se beyond that.

daydorunrun · 18-11-2020 07:17PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

No mention of them on the RTE report despite other large areas of pop being mentioned, ie community, households, funerals, etc.

No mention of hospitals either even though we know health care workers are catching it at an alarming rate, this has to mean patients are too?
Seems to be all about the household clusters-
Nurse/doctor catches it in work, brings it home and the rest of the family are infected and it’s a household cluster. Same for schools.

eagle eye · 18-11-2020 07:18PM

Widdensushi wrote:

In reply to eagle asking for case numbers

Need numbers tested along with that, positivity rate is what I'm looking for.

18-11-2020 07:20PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Need numbers tested along with that, positivity rate is what I'm looking for.

3.8%

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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