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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #7052
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I think you are grossly underestimating him.
    Many years ago he did a stint with the WWE and his actions were eerily similar to how he's acted as President.
    He started out as the bad guy but by the end they were shouting his name. The majority of people that go to wrestling events are type that would vote for him. I think he found out how to appeal to those people there. I think getting those people to the polls was his biggest achievement.
    Now if he was planning this n running for President back then it means he's well capable of planning long term.

    The majority of wrestling fans are actually democrat. However, wrestling fans also have the lowest vote turnout of any of the sports analysed in the below study.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sports-viewers-skew-republican-but-nba-fans-lean-blue/


  • #7053
    omega man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭omega man


    His administration have effectively abandoned any federal Covid response.
    Their figures are rapidly deteriorating.


  • #7054
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I think you are grossly underestimating him.
    Many years ago he did a stint with the WWE and his actions were eerily similar to how he's acted as President.
    He started out as the bad guy but by the end they were shouting his name. The majority of people that go to wrestling events are type that would vote for him. I think he found out how to appeal to those people there. I think getting those people to the polls was his biggest achievement.
    Now if he was planning this n running for President back then it means he's well capable of planning long term.

    Yes because WWE is a true reflection of reality


  • #7055
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Trump is such a child, getting rid of highly competent people because they disagree with him and trying to hand over a destabilised Afghanistan and Iraq to Biden who will be forced to increase troop numbers and be attacked for doing it.

    Disgusted with Trump and those who voted for him who are his primary enablers.


  • #7056
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,529 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Yes because WWE is a true reflection of reality

    I could give many responses to this.

    Like it's not that much different to what we've seen from the White House for the last four years.
    I could ask you who said it was a true reflection of reality?
    I suggested it might have been a trial run with that level of person to see what they liked and didn't like.


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  • #7057
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭randd1


    omega man wrote: »
    His administration have effectively abandoned any federal Covid response.
    Their figures are rapidly deteriorating.

    America deserves what it gets.

    Voting for Biden of Trump is one thing. Listening to Trump or Biden is one thing.

    But having your own conscience is another. Virtually everyone doesn't want to wear a mask. But you suck it up for the half hour you're in a shop, not for yourself but to do the decent thing for others. Not being a ignorant cu*t is going to cost you nothing.

    But when you go out of your way and ignore completely even basic human dignity, you deserve what you get. Just under half of America voted for a man who wilfully put children in cages to keep them from their parents, and a huge volume of people have no interest in wearing masks, washing hands.

    If you're going to be pig ignorant or support pig ignorance, you can't be surprised if you pay the price.

    So America deserves what it gets. If that means half a million dead, a million dead, two million dead, then so be it, let them die for their ignorance.


  • #7058
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    everlast75 wrote: »
    I think you have a bigger problem with the BLM movement because you either don't acknowledge or don't care that there is systemic racism in the U.S., and you have a lesser/no issue with the Proud Boys ideology because you can relate to them/it.

    I take offense to that tbh


  • #7059
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    So you are saying that Trump is responsible for the proud boys violence?

    Yes. He did nothing to calm the situation.

    The Michigan leader of blm has been arrested as part of a sexual assault investigation


  • #7060
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I take offense to that tbh

    Chin up snowflake


  • #7061
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    randd1 wrote: »
    America deserves what it gets.

    Voting for Biden of Trump is one thing. Listening to Trump or Biden is one thing.

    But having your own conscience is another. Virtually everyone doesn't want to wear a mask. But you suck it up for the half hour you're in a shop, not for yourself but to do the decent thing for others. Not being a ignorant cu*t is going to cost you nothing.

    But when you go out of your way and ignore completely even basic human dignity, you deserve what you get. Just under half of America voted for a man who wilfully put children in cages to keep them from their parents, and a huge volume of people have no interest in wearing masks, washing hands.

    If you're going to be pig ignorant or support pig ignorance, you can't be surprised if you pay the price.

    So America deserves what it gets. If that means half a million dead, a million dead, two million dead, then so be it, let them die for their ignorance.


    the other half voted for an ideology that pits blacks and whites against each other, and bullies people who desagree


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  • #7062
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Yes. He did nothing to calm the situation.

    The Michigan leader of blm has been arrested as part of a sexual assault investigation

    Can you explain how your first point relates to your second point?


  • #7063
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This is like a balloon deflating slowly isn't it? All the Trump supporters hopes vanishing into think air day by day. Its over. Its fascinating to watch.


  • #7064
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Can you explain how your first point relates to your second point?

    The first statement is an answer to the question I was asked

    The second is an separate point of news


  • #7065
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    The Nal wrote: »
    This is like a balloon deflating slowly isn't it? All the Trump supporters hopes vanishing into think air day by day. Its over. Its fascinating to watch.

    You can see it align with as Trump tones down and begins to accept.

    It's very interesting to watch from a psychology perspective. In the end a lot of these people will come around to the fact that they have been doing a compulsive liars bidding and will feel fairly silly without admitting it.


  • #7066
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    You can see it align with as Trump tones down and begins to accept.

    It's very interesting to watch from a psychology perspective. In the end a lot of these people will come around to the fact that they have been doing a compulsive liars bidding and will feel fairly silly without admitting it.

    Something like a Doomsday Cult when the predicted end of the world doesn't materialize: https://slate.com/technology/2011/05/apocalypse-2011-what-happens-to-a-doomsday-cult-when-the-world-doesn-t-end.html

    "The faithful could just as easily be those who stubbornly stand by disgraced politicians, failed ideologies, dishonest friends, or cheating spouses, even when reality highlights the clearest of inconsistencies."


  • #7067
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,422 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You can see all semblance of policy going straight out the window right now, donny is lashing out left, right and centre.

    Fortunately most countries will just ignore him until January when all his executive orders go boom.


  • #7068
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The first statement is an answer to the question I was asked

    The second is an separate point of news

    So kind of like:

    I think the Proud Boys are a danger to democracy.

    Biden has no law suits waiting for him. Trump has a multitude.


  • #7069
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The Michigan leader of blm has been arrested as part of a sexual assault investigation

    Do you believe that people are innocent until proven guilty?

    If so, why mention it?

    If you don't believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, what is your view regarding the 20+ allegations of sexual assault/rape against Trump?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #7070
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,529 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What I hope is that the media ignore him when he's gone. I'm afraid they won't and take any chance to make him look bad when the better option is to just not give him any air time.
    It's clear there's a lot of demented followers and they'll just brush off any bad press as fake news. No air time is the best approach.


  • #7071
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The Nal wrote: »
    This is like a balloon deflating slowly isn't it? All the Trump supporters hopes vanishing into think air day by day. Its over. Its fascinating to watch.

    I recall the threads being inundated with his supporters on the evening of the election when they believed that he had it in the bag. The boasting was something to behold.

    when it became clear that the postal votes could possibly swing it for Biden, it was like someone switched on a light and all the cockroaches scurried back under cover

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #7072
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What I hope is that the media ignore him when he's gone. I'm afraid they won't and take any chance to make him look bad when the better option is to just not give him any air time.
    It's clear there's a lot of demented followers and they'll just brush off any bad press as fake news. No air time is the best approach.

    Agreed.

    The media are directly responsible for a good portion of his recipe for success in 2016.

    The free airtime they gave him was worth tens of millions of dollars.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #7073
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    The Nal wrote: »
    This is like a balloon deflating slowly isn't it? All the Trump supporters hopes vanishing into think air day by day. Its over. Its fascinating to watch.

    Deluded to the end.


  • #7074
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MontgomeryClift wrote: »
    Orange Man Bad!

    Orange man fu*king baby more like,throwing his toys out of the pram, only dicks and conspiracy theory believers having anything to do with him at this point and making hollow arguments about others.


  • #7075
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What I hope is that the media ignore him when he's gone. I'm afraid they won't and take any chance to make him look bad when the better option is to just not give him any air time.
    It's clear there's a lot of demented followers and they'll just brush off any bad press as fake news. No air time is the best approach.

    There was a good opinion pieve in Politico about that very thing.

    In essence that Trump of course would not disappear, his Twitter gives him ready access to millions and he might have direct access to TV through either his own channel of OANN or similar.

    But the reason he is so overwhelming is the position that the POTUS gives him. Every word, press briefing, tweet etc is poured over by millions, across the world. Being the POTUS brings amazing power, and amazing importance.

    But, no longer being the POTUS has the opposite effect. Sure, Trump, will no doubt continue to throw bricks at Biden, but they are of no relevance, he can no longer 'own the libs". After the 1st few months, people will simply switch off. Either he is continuing on with the whole 'poor is me, they were all against me' line or he simply has little to say, but either way, it isn't important.

    Will his supporters, in the numbers he needs, remain with him through 4 years of nothing, with no guarantee of success at the end of it?

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/16/trump-cant-fight-the-laws-of-presidential-eclipse-436873

    Take this thread as an example. Already we have seen many of those gleefully saying that Trump would win the days and night of the election have stopped posting. Does anybody think a Donald Trump thread will be anywhere as busy during the next four years as the POTUS Trump ones have been?


  • #7076
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    There was a good opinion pieve in Politico about that very thing.

    In essence that Trump of course would not disappear, his Twitter gives him ready access to millions and he might have direct access to TV through either his own channel of OANN or similar.

    But the reason he is so overwhelming is the position that the POTUS gives him. Every word, press briefing, tweet etc is poured over by millions, across the world. Being the POTUS brings amazing power, and amazing importance.

    But, no longer being the POTUS has the opposite effect. Sure, Trump, will no doubt continue to throw bricks at Biden, but they are of no relevance, he can no longer 'own the libs". After the 1st few months, people will simply switch off. Either he is continuing on with the whole 'poor is me, they were all against me' line or he simply has little to say, but either way, it isn't important.

    Will his supporters, in the numbers he needs, remain with him through 4 years of nothing, with no guarantee of success at the end of it?

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/16/trump-cant-fight-the-laws-of-presidential-eclipse-436873
    that is assuming he doesn't get booted off twitter soon after jan 20th. The only reason he hasn't been booted off is because he is president. that protection will end.


  • #7077
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    that is assuming he doesn't get booted off twitter soon after jan 20th. The only reason he hasn't been booted off is because he is president. that protection will end.

    Same applies for being charged with obstruction of justice


  • #7078
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,895 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Looking forward to you guys supporting voting practices being reviewed nationwide. Something Republicans, unsurprisingly, have largely been resistant to up until the current situation where their guy lost and didn't have a brother in a key state to help him out.


    Limited Ballot Boxes in Texas

    I can't speak to the NC example, but the Texas one is slightly out of context. Ordinarily, the authorised number of boxes is 'zero', Abbott (arguably without authority) allowed the option for each county. They are not considered particularly important due to the rarity of voters who would use them: of 254 counties in Texas, I believe 250 of them were only ever going to have one box before he put the limit, including my county of 1.9mn. Some of the others, like Travis, had them right next to each other, necessitating a long drive anyway. Really only Harris county made use of the option, with 12 locations chosen to support the over 4mn people, which is hardly huge coverage either.

    The argument for limiting the boxes didn't make much sense, but the argument that it was going to have any particular notable effect on the elections similarly doesn't make much sense. As the Fifth Circuit observed, it is hard to consider something voter suppression just because an expansion in options isn't as great as some would like.
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Looking forward to you guys supporting voting practices being reviewed nationwide. Something Republicans, unsurprisingly, have largely been resistant to up until the current situation where their guy lost and didn't have a brother in a key state to help him out.

    Access to voting in Georgia

    For this one, if you read your own article, you'll see that there have been attempts to help and hinder from both sides, and that the issue of polling place locations is a county level issue. The counties around Atlanta are Democrat run.

    Two relevant quotes:
    Besides the board's actions, the Georgia Senate considered a proposal filed in February and endorsed by Raffensperger. It would have required county elections supervisors to add more equipment or poll workers, or split up any precincts with more than 2,000 voters, if there was a wait longer than an hour measured at three points on Election Day.

    More than 1,500 of Georgia's 2,655 precincts have at least 2,000 voters — many of them in urban Democratic counties — and Raffensperger said at the time that voters should never have to wait more than 30 minutes.

    But the bill, SB 463, was opposed by Democratic lawmakers and voting rights groups, who argued that any revamping in an election year would cause confusion and create more ways to keep people from casting their ballot.

    [...]

    That same month, after the primary election, Raffensperger held a press conference in Fulton County outside Park Tavern, which had processed more voters than 96% of the state's polling places. Flanked by posters highlighting recent election woes, he urged local officials to add poll workers and voting locations while improving technical support and training.

    "We know that we need a more diverse pool of voting locations to spread the load of voters that we are anticipating," Raffensperger said.

    Nikema Williams, chair of Georgia's Democratic Party, said that while state officials took little or no action to stop widespread voting problems in nonwhite communities, local elections officials are also responsible, since they ultimately decide whether to close or open more voting sites.


  • #7079
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    Why would Mark zuckerberg give 400 million to the us election? and follow the money see where it was allocated.


  • #7080
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,035 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    eagle eye wrote: »
    What I hope is that the media ignore him when he's gone. I'm afraid they won't and take any chance to make him look bad when the better option is to just not give him any air time.
    It's clear there's a lot of demented followers and they'll just brush off any bad press as fake news. No air time is the best approach.

    Whatever about Trump. Him, and this election has shown that unfortunately there is huge interest in the divisive positions which he helped to create.

    He had 4 years of undermining the press, being rude and dismissive to anyone who opposed him, undermining science in terms of the environment and more specifically Covid-19 not to mention being outright xenophobic and displaying white supremacist leanings. And 73M people decided, Yes please, can we have this again.

    I've said here before I think a big barrier to seeing more of him in future in terms of him driving a media wing will be his ability to access funding but, and I repeat, unfortunately, the market is there for it and the Steve Bannon's and Dominic Cummings of this world I would bet are putting serious effort in to considering how to access it and use it to get their next chosen candidate to the top.

    For anyone interested in science, facts, discourse and ultimately trying to help society, we shouldn't see Trump losing as the end of all that. I was genuinely unable to sleep on the night of the election during that period when Trump had stormed ahead and bookies were shifting odds to his favour. He went to 1/3 at one point on PP. My concern was not specifically about Biden losing but what Trump winning would mean. I believed beforehand and still do that he would have gone off the charts in his second term knowing that he could essentially walk out undefeated and I do not think that that would have been good for the world. He lost, but we were lucky he was so incompetent, the next one who is as selfishly focused in their belief that the current economy is all that matters might be able to smile and praise their opponents while still doing as much damage and that will be much harder to defeat.
    And we are much closer to such a person getting power than we are to someone like Sanders, who conservatives might think is equally as bad but in the other direction.


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  • #7081
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    normakelle wrote: »
    Why would Mark zuckerberg give 400 million to the us election? and follow the money see where it was allocated.


    LOL its conspiracy theories again is it?



    Maybe they did it because senate republicans refused to pass a relief bill containing the required 3.6 billion for changes to the elections system that were needed thanks to covid.


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